Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

[BladeRunner]

Probably time to let this one drop - it's no longer fantasy relevant, and nobody is changing minds in here. Everyone is simply spinning their wheels and getting nowhere.

agreed. The "pro-cop" crowd can see no reason how they maybe could have handled it better. We are headed in to "Politics forum" problems..

And the pro-tyreek crowd can see no reason how he could have handled it better.

 

[Gatorman]

Probably time to let this one drop - it's no longer fantasy relevant, and nobody is changing minds in here. Everyone is simply spinning their wheels and getting nowhere.

agreed. The "pro-cop" crowd can see no reason how they maybe could have handled it better. We are headed in to "Politics forum" problems..

And the pro-tyreek crowd can see no reason how he could have handled it better.

I get the joke, but I don;t think reek doing anything differntly has a different outcome. So he keeps the window down and calls "drew" (either his agent or the phins head of security), the cops tell him to get off the phone, get out of the car and the same thing ensues. I've dealt with Miami Dade Metro cops. Its all ego with them.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

The police are in a position of authority, aren't they? When they ask you something, you cooperate; if you are rude, they will be rude back. Why is this so hard to understand?

You wanna be me first guy? Do it in your own home or controlled environment. You need to be a team player when you step out into public, it ain't just about you anymore. You don't get to do what you want in civil societies, there are rules you follow.

Tyreke didn't do anything terrible. He was more civil than I would've guessed. But he caught an attitude and caught a man in a higher position of authority than him with an attitude. be civil and your chances of this stuff happening go way down.

Tyreke was a tool. And probably if he isn't, this doesn't happen.

It still doesn't give the cop a pass.

"Oh you rolled your window up on me?! I'm going to arrest you and throw you on the ground. "

Position of authority or not, not acceptable behavior from someone granted authroity.

You have to understand that having a blacked out window rolled up after the driver already gave you attitude is a significant escalation. Being a police officer is scary and when you can't see what's going on inside that vehicle it raises the temp big time.

 

[jm192]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

The police are in a position of authority, aren't they? When they ask you something, you cooperate; if you are rude, they will be rude back. Why is this so hard to understand?

You wanna be me first guy? Do it in your own home or controlled environment. You need to be a team player when you step out into public, it ain't just about you anymore. You don't get to do what you want in civil societies, there are rules you follow.

Tyreke didn't do anything terrible. He was more civil than I would've guessed. But he caught an attitude and caught a man in a higher position of authority than him with an attitude. be civil and your chances of this stuff happening go way down.

Tyreke was a tool. And probably if he isn't, this doesn't happen.

It still doesn't give the cop a pass.

"Oh you rolled your window up on me?! I'm going to arrest you and throw you on the ground. "

Position of authority or not, not acceptable behavior from someone granted authroity.

You have to understand that having a blacked out window rolled up after the driver already gave you attitude is a significant escalation. Being a police officer is scary and when you can't see what's going on inside that vehicle it raises the temp big time.

And you have to understand yanking a guy out of his car and throwing on the ground to cuff him is a significantly more significant escelation.

Tyreke was a tool. No question.

But "He already gave me attitude" doesn't really make me feel like the cop was anymore in danger or anymore justified in what they did.

 

[abrunn1133]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

I consider it a possible course of action, but not a reasonable one. It would be different if he was invading their space or acting aggressively.

I injected myself into a traffic stop 3 weeks ago. Calmly. Nobody cuffed me. It never occurred to me that they would.

Had the fuse already been lit like it was here?

 

[Wrigley]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I'd recommend people obey the law and cooperate when pulled over. If we all took this advice there wouldn't be threads where people stick up for the criminal and demonize the police.

once again as i posted several pages back this is not true, a cop can cuff you because his sniffer smells weed in your car and “his sniffer is never wrong”

I'd say that your percentage chance of being cuffed go way down if you are not a jerk.

sure, but it also may not matter at all. Pretty awesome site to see you military uniforms thrown on the side of the highway. It was an eye opening experience as someone coming from california and discovering that Illinois cops could give 2 ****s

 

[abrunn1133]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

Hill FF news would probably be in the Hill thread or Dolphin thread....this thread was about a specific incident involving a player....it was pretty clear from the title....nobody forced you to click on it or read the whole thing or waste more of your "FF life" actually posting...you could have just moved on...mods obviously have no issue as it's still here....

 

[Bossman]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

 

[Bossman]

Why was one officer put on administrative leave if everything was done per protocol?

Once the cop opened the car door, Tyreek starts to get out, but one cop pulls him out. Is that protocol? I doubt it. It was an angry cop escalating the situation.

BTW, earlier today, Tyreek said that he could've handled things better.

>>Tyreek Hill, in ongoing press conference, said "I could have been better. I could have let down my window in that instance." He said he didn't want cameras and phones on him in that moment. "But.. I've got to follow rules and do what everyone else will do. Did that give them the right to literally beat the dog out of me? Absolutely not. I wish I could go back and do things a bit differently."<<

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Wow ... sounds like he gets it
Very refreshing and I do agree with him... cops didn't need to take it to that level.

 

[pinkstapler]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

Because people, especially in the US and especially over the past 10 years or so, seem to have major difficulties in building and maintaining positive self images and balanced egos intrinsically. instead tying their entire sense of self to broad social issues and agendas, often with a political slant. They feed off of validation of others, typically on social media. Rather than using critical thinking and formulating their own individual opinions on topics on a case by case basis, recognizing that almost every issue is not black and white, but rather falls on a spectrum which needs to be assessed based on specific dynamic circumstances; they become tribalistic and use a wide brush to broadly paint over all of these individual issues based on the core (often over simplified) beliefs of said tribe. Could go on for days about the multitude of reasons it happens, but a primary one is summed up by the adage "ignorance is bliss". It's much easier mentally and emotionally to treat life as a Japanese chick sexer; look for about 10 seconds and throw it in one of two boxes, confidently moving on to the next without ever looking back. Critical thinking, introspection, self-analysis, even the process of changing your mind, are all taxing. I'd obviously argue the benefits far outweigh the chick sexer method, but won't deny that too has it's short term benefits.

Where it used to be people would release those "happy" brain chemicals by performing personalized small, but intimate, actions like helping someone in public, volunteering their time, attending a rally, reading a book to educate themselves; now instead it tends to be the oft joked about marathon runner method "if you don't tell everyone you see you ran a marathon, and post pictures on FB and IG, and slap a 26.2 sticker on your back windshield, did you really even do it". A thank you from one person you stood up for in public is a sip of beer, posting about it online and getting dozens of likes and comments about how great you are is drinking 3 LITs. It becomes like a drug which people feed on and "need" to continue getting high off of. Plus, once entrenched, it can be costly to walk away. While left-extremists get the most flak for it these days, it happens on both sides, and at my age I remember when it was perfected by, often religious, extremists on the right. Both groups famously eat there own, and can be difficult to break away from.

Why it's happening now more than ever.... IMO because it's been monetized by corporations. People watch TV, movies, buy products, shop places, etc. etc. based on these tribes. So it's pushed as a narrative to earn more, that's it. Not to mention, from a political perspective, "give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt". When they can get the majority of society to attack themselves, they become too distracted (or like I often find myself, disillusioned and exhausted) to pin point and attack the true culprits.

 

[SoBeDad]

So the cop pulled Tyreek out of the car, Just as he started to get out of the car as directed, before giving Tyreek a chance to exit the car.

If Tyreek had been a guy with a knife or a gun, why would a cop want to be in close proximity to a guy in a car. It seems like protocol when in doubt about safety would be to stand back, be ready to draw your gun. It's clear that the cop was angry, and escalated the situation.

Not only is the cop on administrative leave, but both candidates for the new position of Miami-Dade sheriff were brave and honest enough to criticize the behavior of some cops. One candidate is a Republican. Both are LE background.

>>Miami-Dade’s two sheriff candidates both criticize officer conduct in Tyreek Hill video.<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article292234255.html

 

[Wrigley]

So the cop pulled Tyreek out of the car, Just as he started to get out of the car as directed, before giving Tyreek a chance to exit the car.

If Tyreek had been a guy with a knife or a gun, why would a cop want to be in close proximity to a guy in a car. It seems like protocol when in doubt about safety would be to stand back, be ready to draw your gun. It's clear that the cop was angry, and escalated the situation.

Not only is the cop on administrative leave, but both candidates for the new position of Miami-Dade sheriff were brave and honest enough to criticize the behavior of some cops. One candidate is a Republican. Both are LE background.

>>Miami-Dade’s two sheriff candidates both criticize officer conduct in Tyreek Hill video.<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article292234255.html

Sheriff candidates being political, just saying

 

[Stinkin Ref]

putting an officer on ad leave after an incident is sometimes common practice

 

[-OZ-]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

This only works if you’re filming yourself for tiktok

 

[BladeRunner]

So the cop pulled Tyreek out of the car, Just as he started to get out of the car as directed, before giving Tyreek a chance to exit the car.

If Tyreek had been a guy with a knife or a gun, why would a cop want to be in close proximity to a guy in a car. It seems like protocol when in doubt about safety would be to stand back, be ready to draw your gun. It's clear that the cop was angry, and escalated the situation.

Not only is the cop on administrative leave, but both candidates for the new position of Miami-Dade sheriff were brave and honest enough to criticize the behavior of some cops. One candidate is a Republican. Both are LE background.

>>Miami-Dade’s two sheriff candidates both criticize officer conduct in Tyreek Hill video.<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article292234255.html

That's a misrepresentation of what actually happened. He wasn't getting out of the car on his own, the cops had to open the door to get him out and once that happens you're going down, and rightfully so.

Being put on administrative leave is not indicative of guilt. Sometimes that's SOP.

 

[JAA]

Have you seen the video of the cop-cam on the officer that clocks or observes Hill's speed and you see him start up the Motorcycle and then pull Hill over?
If you have not seen all of that then you haven't seen the whole thing
I saw Hill immediately roll down the window and hand him his ID and tell him do what he needs to do

That didnt happen unless Im seeing some different video

 

[JohnnyU]

So the cop pulled Tyreek out of the car, Just as he started to get out of the car as directed, before giving Tyreek a chance to exit the car.

If Tyreek had been a guy with a knife or a gun, why would a cop want to be in close proximity to a guy in a car. It seems like protocol when in doubt about safety would be to stand back, be ready to draw your gun. It's clear that the cop was angry, and escalated the situation.

Not only is the cop on administrative leave, but both candidates for the new position of Miami-Dade sheriff were brave and honest enough to criticize the behavior of some cops. One candidate is a Republican. Both are LE background.

>>Miami-Dade’s two sheriff candidates both criticize officer conduct in Tyreek Hill video.<<

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article292234255.html

That's a misrepresentation of what actually happened. He wasn't getting out of the car on his own, the cops had to open the door to get him out and once that happens you're going down, and rightfully so.

Being put on administrative leave is not indicative of guilt. Sometimes that's SOP.

Yes. Don't they also do that when there is a shooting involved? SOP.

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

Have to disagreed with you here, Alex. He cannot inject himself into an active police stop w/out consequences. This is standard procedure for police when a 3rd party intervenes and they are an unknown. Usually, they're warned that they'll be put in cuffs if they don't back off, but this is not an unreasonable action by the police and citizens can't just go anywhere they want on a police scene.

Appreciate your perspective BR. There has been zero reporting or evidence that Calais intervened or threatened the officers.
One guy FELT threatened because he was in a heightened state of anxiety. And that’s a problem.

But again, all of this could have been avoided if Tyreek simply acted the way 90+% of Americans act when stopped by the police.

He parked his car on a roadway right behind police vehicles. Do you really not see the issues here?

 

[Da Guru]

GRAPHIC: LMPD releases bodycam video after officer shot during traffic stop

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NYPD officer shot, killed in line of duty during traffic stop

Chicago cop shot while attempting traffic stop

Man Shoots Officer Multiple Times During Traffic Stop

Kansas City police officer shot during traffic stop

West Memphis, Ark., police officers Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert were shot and killed during a traffic stop

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If my husband, wife, brother, sister, child, etc. is a police officer performing a traffic stop and the person they pulled over for reckless driving is being uncooperative, not following instructions, and then 100% obstructs the officers view of what they are doing inside that car by again ignoring instructions and rolling up a window that's covered by way darker than the allowed 28% tint per Florida state law; I would hope they are immediately escalate the situation in a direct, quick, and decisive manner with both their commands and actions to regain control of the situation and put themselves back in a safe position as quickly as possible. That is achieved by either breaking the window obstructing their view or removing that person from the vehicle. And being that the person already set the tone that they were going to be uncooperative and not follow instructions, they are to be controlled using restraints immediately, for the officers protection and that persons own protection as it doesn't allow them to make more bad decisions. Same goes for sitting them down so they can not flee which would mean that again, the police would have to escalate in kind and likely injure that person by chasing them and tackling them to the ground.

We get it. A lot of you give 0 fks about cops. But you also know sht all about cops or these situations. Every car they pull over is an opportunity to die. So watching you all MMQB a situation after the fact from a place of pretty much total ignorance of laws, procedure, as well as potential outcomes and point out how you "didn't like that officers tone" is fking infuriating. Give me your names and addresses so I can pass them along to all my local politicians who can immediately stop what they are doing and contact JoeBlow from FBG msg boards because THEY are the one that has the answer on how to stop jobs which carry a lot of power and authority from attracting people who crave power and authority that tend to be bad people, while still filling a job where you could die every day.

We're all morons whose knowledge of the world amounts to a teaspoon of gray matter when compared to that which we don't know. The major difference between us are the ones who acknowledge this fact; and the one's who keep David Dunning and Justin Kruger's names still relevant. It won't solve all the problems, but this country should take a page from Israel with regards to conscription. At least then people who are so deluded they believe their voice just NEEDS to be heard on issues which they can't even comprehend would have a small sliver of firsthand experience to base it on.

Emotion has no part in this, the police were out of line in this situation.

Do i need to preface and say that regular police have it easy compared to what I did when boarding drug boats in the pacific and atlantic not knowing if I had a gun pointed out my face as we breached? I shouldn’t have to, it’s a tough job but when they screw up they need to own it.

Emotion has every part. Traffic stops have proven to be very dangerous and when a tinted window is rolled up where you can`t see the occupants hands it raises the emotion level.

 

[Bossman]

GRAPHIC: LMPD releases bodycam video after officer shot during traffic stop

LA Police Officers Shot During Traffic Stop With AR-15

NYPD officer shot, killed in line of duty during traffic stop

Chicago cop shot while attempting traffic stop

Man Shoots Officer Multiple Times During Traffic Stop

Kansas City police officer shot during traffic stop

West Memphis, Ark., police officers Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert were shot and killed during a traffic stop

Police share update in traffic stop shooting of Philly police officer | FOX 29 News Philadelphia

If my husband, wife, brother, sister, child, etc. is a police officer performing a traffic stop and the person they pulled over for reckless driving is being uncooperative, not following instructions, and then 100% obstructs the officers view of what they are doing inside that car by again ignoring instructions and rolling up a window that's covered by way darker than the allowed 28% tint per Florida state law; I would hope they are immediately escalate the situation in a direct, quick, and decisive manner with both their commands and actions to regain control of the situation and put themselves back in a safe position as quickly as possible. That is achieved by either breaking the window obstructing their view or removing that person from the vehicle. And being that the person already set the tone that they were going to be uncooperative and not follow instructions, they are to be controlled using restraints immediately, for the officers protection and that persons own protection as it doesn't allow them to make more bad decisions. Same goes for sitting them down so they can not flee which would mean that again, the police would have to escalate in kind and likely injure that person by chasing them and tackling them to the ground.

We get it. A lot of you give 0 fks about cops. But you also know sht all about cops or these situations. Every car they pull over is an opportunity to die. So watching you all MMQB a situation after the fact from a place of pretty much total ignorance of laws, procedure, as well as potential outcomes and point out how you "didn't like that officers tone" is fking infuriating. Give me your names and addresses so I can pass them along to all my local politicians who can immediately stop what they are doing and contact JoeBlow from FBG msg boards because THEY are the one that has the answer on how to stop jobs which carry a lot of power and authority from attracting people who crave power and authority that tend to be bad people, while still filling a job where you could die every day.

We're all morons whose knowledge of the world amounts to a teaspoon of gray matter when compared to that which we don't know. The major difference between us are the ones who acknowledge this fact; and the one's who keep David Dunning and Justin Kruger's names still relevant. It won't solve all the problems, but this country should take a page from Israel with regards to conscription. At least then people who are so deluded they believe their voice just NEEDS to be heard on issues which they can't even comprehend would have a small sliver of firsthand experience to base it on.

Emotion has no part in this, the police were out of line in this situation.

Do i need to preface and say that regular police have it easy compared to what I did when boarding drug boats in the pacific and atlantic not knowing if I had a gun pointed out my face as we breached? I shouldn’t have to, it’s a tough job but when they screw up they need to own it.

Emotion has every part. Traffic stops have proven to be very dangerous and when a tinted window is rolled up where you can`t see the occupants hands it raises the emotion level.

In my state there is a legal limit on how dark the tint can be on your front windows for this very reason. I know this is not the case in FLA tho.

 

[Donnybrook]

The cop was overly aggressive but Imagine that dealing with people in Miami with more money than sense grows tiresome. Tyreek and his lawyer now want the cop that pulled him from the vehicle to be fired. The police officer is relatively young and I think he should be given the opportunity to learn from his mistake. I guess it depends if there is more than one complaint against him. Also, I can't imagine there is a line up around the block for qualified police officers.

I have to say I am not a fan of Tyreek acting so flippant about when asked about it by reporters. He is acting like a spoiled vindictive child. Tyreek has made many worse mistakes but he gets to continue his career.

 

[SoBeDad]

The police officer is relatively young and I think he should be given the opportunity to learn from his mistake. I guess it depends if there is more than one complaint against him. Also, I can't imagine there is a line up around the block for qualified police officers.

The officer who was put on administrative leave is a 27-year veteran "who made $171,000 as a county police officer last year, including $39,000 from overtime pay, according to a county database." The county and most cities in Miami-Dade pay officers well. Plus, with all the events in the Miami area, many make good money in overtime and extra pay. Most have a good pension and early retirement for those who start young. Given the good salary, the shortage of cops is not as bad as other parts of the country, and some of the shortage is caused by municipalities hiring cops from each other.

I await the report from Miami-Dade Police Director Stephanie Daniels before making further judgment.

 

[Bossman]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

 

[efactor]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

It's definitely a bizzarro world these days

 

[efactor]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

I think it was kind of eye opening for Tyreek that he got treated like any other citizen for a change instead of the special treatment afforded most "celebrities", Probably won't change any behaviors moving forward for him, but there is always hope.

 

[Manster]

Probably time to let this one drop - it's no longer fantasy relevant, and nobody is changing minds in here. Everyone is simply spinning their wheels and getting nowhere.

agreed. The "pro-cop" crowd can see no reason how they maybe could have handled it better. We are headed in to "Politics forum" problems..

And the pro-tyreek crowd can see no reason how he could have handled it better.

I get the joke, but I don;t think reek doing anything differntly has a different outcome. So he keeps the window down and calls "drew" (either his agent or the phins head of security), the cops tell him to get off the phone, get out of the car and the same thing ensues. I've dealt with Miami Dade Metro cops. Its all ego with them.

"It's all ego with them."......kinda like Tyreek?

I don't know about you, but I've been pulled over for speeding when I was a younger feller, and I did everything I was asked to do. I knew I F'ed up, and it was not the time to be an *******.......Tyreek doesn't understand that, because he's used to doing whatever he wants with little, to no consequence.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread

 

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

 

[JohnnyU]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread

That is used a lot and you are right, but this thread belongs in the FFA Forum, not the fake football shark pool forum. I've seen the @moderators move better fake football topics to the FFA. Not sure what they are thinking here.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

I think it was kind of eye opening for Tyreek that he got treated like any other citizen for a change instead of the special treatment afforded most "celebrities", Probably won't change any behaviors moving forward for him, but there is always hope.

Meh, he pretended he was getting handcuffed after scoring a td later that day

 

[Navin Johnson]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

Nobody is losing their career over this.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread

That is used a lot and you are right, but this thread belongs in the FFA Forum, not the fake football shark pool forum. I've seen the @moderators move lesser fake football topics to the FFA. Not sure what they are thinking here.

Don’t click on it

 

[Grahamburn]

Liked seeing Tyreek owning a bit in his presser saying he could have handled it better.

Didn't like him saying he didn't feel his behavior warranted a beating. You know, glass houses and all.

 

[JohnnyU]

I will never understand why these types of threads exist in a fantasy football forum. All they do is divide people and offer zero fantasy football relevance.

I know, take it to the political forum.

Or go to Yahoo forums. I get enough of this crap in my real life, don't need it in my fake football life.

Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread

That is used a lot and you are right, but this thread belongs in the FFA Forum, not the fake football shark pool forum. I've seen the @moderators move lesser fake football topics to the FFA. Not sure what they are thinking here.

Don’t click on it

Yes, that was already said. I was responding to a post not directed at me, that I can't understand why this thread has stayed in the Shark Pool

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

 

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

This just reminds me so much of the day and age we live in, where people are afraid to admit there is a middle ground, and where they're even more terrified to stand in that middle ground. Why can't people see Tyreek didn't behave appropriately, but these police officers were on a power trip and could have done their job much better than they did. Cops like this don't belong on the beat. Tyreek needs to clean up his act. Simple as that, but so many in this thread simply can't acknowledge the middle ground, they'll argue one side over the other even if it means disregarding reality.

I love our men and women in blue, they do a great and thankless service to our country. Tyreek acted like an entitled fool, but I like that Tyreek tried to own up to the mistakes he had. I don't like that these police officers will be back on the beat with little to no disciplinary action. I don't believe these police officers represent the majority of the people in our country that choose to wear a badge.

 

[efactor]

This just reminds me so much of the day and age we live in, where people are afraid to admit there is a middle ground, and where they're even more terrified to stand in that middle ground. Why can't people see Tyreek didn't behave appropriately, but these police officers were on a power trip and could have done their job much better than they did. Cops like this don't belong on the beat. Tyreek needs to clean up his act. Simple as that, but so many in this thread simply can't acknowledge the middle ground, they'll argue one side over the other even if it means disregarding reality.

I love our men and women in blue, they do a great and thankless service to our country. Tyreek acted like an entitled fool, but I like that Tyreek tried to own up to the mistakes he had. I don't like that these police officers will be back on the beat with little to no disciplinary action. I don't believe these police officers represent the majority of the people in our country that choose to wear a badge.

I think most people are standing in the middle here. I know I am. Tyreek acted like a DB and the officers over reacted.

But again, cut the police some slack and follow their directions. Especially in a case like this that would have just been a ticket if he doesn’t start with the entitled BS.

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

 

[JAA]

This just reminds me so much of the day and age we live in, where people are afraid to admit there is a middle ground, and where they're even more terrified to stand in that middle ground. Why can't people see Tyreek didn't behave appropriately, but these police officers were on a power trip and could have done their job much better than they did. Cops like this don't belong on the beat. Tyreek needs to clean up his act. Simple as that, but so many in this thread simply can't acknowledge the middle ground, they'll argue one side over the other even if it means disregarding reality.

I love our men and women in blue, they do a great and thankless service to our country. Tyreek acted like an entitled fool, but I like that Tyreek tried to own up to the mistakes he had. I don't like that these police officers will be back on the beat with little to no disciplinary action. I don't believe these police officers represent the majority of the people in our country that choose to wear a badge.

Agree 1000%, too much of this false dichotomy that there is a right and wrong, black and white.

Tyreek could have, should have, handled himself much more professionaly. He is a role model to kids, period.

The police officers are trained professionals and taught how to manage situations and de-escalation. The police officer needs a remedial course in this.

Also to add, not every situation requires cancelling.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

 

[AAABatteries]

Have the 100 in a 35 soapboxes popped in now it was 60 in a 40

I have that beat.

Got pulled over a few months ago for 82 in a 55.

They should have tazered you.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This just reminds me so much of the day and age we live in, where people are afraid to admit there is a middle ground, and where they're even more terrified to stand in that middle ground. Why can't people see Tyreek didn't behave appropriately, but these police officers were on a power trip and could have done their job much better than they did. Cops like this don't belong on the beat. Tyreek needs to clean up his act. Simple as that, but so many in this thread simply can't acknowledge the middle ground, they'll argue one side over the other even if it means disregarding reality.

I love our men and women in blue, they do a great and thankless service to our country. Tyreek acted like an entitled fool, but I like that Tyreek tried to own up to the mistakes he had. I don't like that these police officers will be back on the beat with little to no disciplinary action. I don't believe these police officers represent the majority of the people in our country that choose to wear a badge.

I think most people are pretty solidly in the middle here, surprisingly. I think most if not all have agreed that both Hill and the officers could have handled the situation better and either one of them could have prevented this from escalating. The only difference is I hold the armed and uniformed public employees to a higher standard than I do the citizen. Hill could have handled this better; the officers must handle these situations better.

 

[BladeRunner]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

Incorrect. When you're asked to move away from an active police scene, you must comply with a lawful command.

Showing up and interjecting yourself into that situation is ILLEGAL.

 

[BladeRunner]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

INCORRECT again. When given a lawful order you must comply.

Are you a US Citizen at all? Just asking because what you keep saying is de-facto and absolutely wrong. He wasn't 20 yards from the scene - he was IN it.

 

[massraider]

Must be nice to get out of the FFToday monkey cage every once in a while, even if you can't spit the bile like you want to.

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.