Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

You should have had surgery on your ears" comment from the one officer was so Miami Cuban cop on brand that I lol at that part.

I somehow missed them saying that

 

[Bossman]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

lol ... he put the window back down about 3 inches.
Is that how you would have responded to the officers 15th request to put your window down? ... or would you have put your window ALL the way down?

 

[Deamon]

He also wears hoodies in 90 degree heat, how can he be so chilly all the time?

Thought you were talking about Tyreek here.

That would have been another good reason for him wanting his window rolled up if he had his A/C on.

 

[Stoneworker]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Yeah, seeing the video this was the stereotypical Miami Cuban Police officer Bros who don't like their authority questioned in any way. They approached aggressively, they took offense to everything, and rather than being cool, they were anything but.

I live here and I am hispanic and "white" so I don't have too many run ins with these types but whenever I do they have a definite God complex. The "You should have had surgery on your ears" comment from the one officer was so Miami Cuban cop on brand that I lol at that part.

I also used to go to phins games and these guys are almost looking for a fight or someone to break up how mundane sunday traffic duty at the stadium is.

The cops didn't approach "aggressively." The very first words in the interaction came from Hill. "Don't knock on my window like that." Followed by multiple acts of non-compliance that had absolutely nothing to do with anything the cop did or said.

The cops should get a penalty flag for excessive retaliation, but it is clear to anyone with eyes and ears that Hill was the instigator of the entire situation.

 

[Yenrub]

There are multiple body-cam feeds it would seem. ESPN has done an outstanding job of piecing it together.
You can't see from the street videos but the body cam on the officer shows how they pushed down on Tyreek on the sidewalk and the officer puts his hands around Tyreek's neck
That's what i saw and that really seems to be outrageously over excessive
The footage of Campbell and Smith trying to help and eventually getting cuffed, brings a tear to your eye

-McDaniel didn't say too much but he certainly took a moment to talk about teammates coming to Hill's rescue. I'm glad I wasn't alone in jumping on that part of the story
I am impressed with how Coach McDaniel is leading the team thru all of this

That is the part that made me upset with the police.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

From the Miami Dolphins...

Dolphins Issue Statement on Tyreek Hill Incident

The Miami Dolphins released a statement Monday night accusing Miami-Dade Police Department officers of using 'unnecessary force and hostility' toward wide recei

www.si.com

“We are saddened by the overly aggressive and violent conduct directed towards Tyreek Hill, Calais Campbell and Jonnu Smith by police officers before yesterday’s game. It is both maddening and heartbreaking to watch the very people we trust to protect our community use such unnecessary force and hostility towards these players, yet it is also a reminder that not every situation like this ends in peace, as we are grateful this one did. ‘What if I wasn’t Tyreek Hill?’ is a question that will carry with resounding impact.

"We are proud to have a strong and positive relationship with the Miami-Dade Police Department and other law enforcement agencies and recognize that the vast majority of officers do serve the community with the utmost character and desire to protect all citizens. However, as is on full display in the videos released tonight, there are some officers who mistake their responsibility and commitment to serve with misguided power. While we commend MDPD for taking the right and necessary action to quickly release this footage, we also urge them to take equally swift and strong action against the officers who engaged in such despicable behavior.

"We will stand beside Tyreek and our players as they work to use their platform and this situation to make a positive impact in our community. We have always believed that the game of football holds a unique power to bring people together, and we remain hopeful that through the collective work of the players, organization and our community partners, we can create lasting change.”

-That is some strong language for an NFL football team.

 

[Terpman22]

I have a bit of a leadfoot, so I’m no stranger to traffic stops. 99% of the time I would get out of the ticket by admitting my fault, apologizing profusely (important to do this before they go back to their car ,) and being overly cooperative.

On the flip side, my best friend growing up was constantly getting tickets and going to court. One day while riding with him I found out why. He got pulled over and immediately starts arguing with the office.

Zero sympathy.

I think this is the key to handling most confrontations in life, when you know you are at fault. Its a weird psychological game, but if you really "take their power" (and I'm talking more about people you know more than cops per se, but it applies here) away by admitting fault, apologizing profusely, maybe even mentioning how you'll redeem yourself, etc - its goes a VERY long way to moving on from whatever the issue may be. Basically you want to "steal" all their talking points. Be humble, don't get crazy.

For instance Tyreek could have set it up to the best degree possible with something like

Hello officer. Look I know its hot out here and you got a job to do. In fact, I KNOW what I did was wrong and I was speeding but, I am a football player - not that I like to use my fame and I'm definitely NOT trying to use it here to get out of this, but I actually play for the Dolphins and am sorta late for my knee treatment. I realize that yeah, my speeding was VERY excessive, I honestly didn't realize I was going *that* fast, but I take your word for it. Its definitely not something I ever do at all. I'll roll my window down, but being honest, I'd rather not have a bunch of viral videos of me going around, so is it ok after you do your check if I just roll it back up? No? Ok, Understood. Like I said, you got a job to do. Here is all the stuff you want from me. I'll be happy to pay the fine for the citation and promise I'll be better moving forward.

Now, this might not have helped at all. Some cops are just a holes. Some people in life, are just a holes. Sometimes no matter how hard you try, certain people want to needle you a little bit.

The test of character will come when they do this. You just gotta take a breath, think before speaking, and in my experience when I do this, it usually de escalates whatever the situation is at least a degree.

 

[JAA]

Watched the released videos. I think both acted like tools. Police certainly used excessive force and should be disciplined. That said, Tyreek acted like a jerk with the window and not being respectful. Plus ... looked like he was going twice the legal limit, though speculative on my part.

 

[JAA]

Tyreek Hill is known to be a massive dirtbag and it's irrational not to take that into consideration when he finds himself in trouble.

Just saw this post. I dont think this about Tyreek, is there readable/viewable history on this? Where can I learn more?

 

[JAA]

I am patiently awaiting all the facts to emerge. The snap judgments that are born on social media is really what’s destroying our society and dividing us. People just be patient. The facts will emerge and if the police were overzealous, they will be disciplined accordingly. In fact, if it was overzealous policing, It’s a real shame. Things like this shouldn’t happen, but unfortunately, in our society, they do literally every day to ordinary people white, black, yellow, brown. It doesn’t matter. It happens all the time to every day people. So let’s not make this a racial thing, please.

It’s a people problem.

Thank you for this post

 

[JAA]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

"Tyreek Hill can never be a victim ever b/c he did bad stuff in his past"

Look man I'm not saying Tyreek Hill is a good guy, by any means. If you think someone that did bad things can never be a victim of...bad things, I got nothing.

Strange

Tyreek may very well be a "victim" here. My gut instinct is to be skeptical that he didn't bring this on for his behavior toward the cops, based on his previous actions, and ability to get away with it.

Why wouldn't he feel above the law? Clearly that's the message he's been fed over the years.

He says that he respects all cops, wants to be a cop, and did what his father told him and was quiet, cooperative, with his hands on the wheel.

I don't overly believe that to be honest, but I hope we will get the truth. I still think they probably went overboard, but when Hill was describing how he silently obeyed with 2 hands on the wheel, I found that incredibly hard to believe.

And we learned via video this is inaccurate

 

[Terpman22]

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looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

Shocker that the cops exaggerated. Absolutely in shock here.

 

[BladeRunner]

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looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

Shocker that the cops exaggerated. Absolutely in shock here.

Yeah, the cops exaggerated. Not Hill.

We get it: you hate cops.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Do we think Hill acted the way he did just for the attention and for it to "go viral"? He won't be disciplined by the league right? Since I guess speeding/reckless driving and being a jerk aren't against nfl policies?

 

[Terpman22]

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looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

Shocker that the cops exaggerated. Absolutely in shock here.

Yeah, the cops exaggerated. Not Hill.

We get it: you hate cops.

I certainly hate the dishonest aggressive rough up/shoot then ask questions later types for sure.

 

[Dickies]

My neighbor who is a motorcycle cop thought the police were too lenient with Hill. I think he is completely off his rocker. The police behavior was way over the top, with absolutely zero interest in de-escalating the situation.

 

[dipandglide]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

The police are in a position of authority, aren't they? When they ask you something, you cooperate; if you are rude, they will be rude back. Why is this so hard to understand?

You wanna be me first guy? Do it in your own home or controlled environment. You need to be a team player when you step out into public, it ain't just about you anymore. You don't get to do what you want in civil societies, there are rules you follow.

Tyreke didn't do anything terrible. He was more civil than I would've guessed. But he caught an attitude and caught a man in a higher position of authority than him with an attitude. be civil and your chances of this stuff happening go way down.

 

[Bri]

By the book the cop probably correctly followed protocol. But the cops main objective in resolving a situation should be to handle it with the least amount of escalation as possible. That was not done here. If the cop calmly explained to Tyrek that the quickest way to get on his way was to cooperate and keep his window rolled down, it would have not escalated to what it did.

Hill said he sat calmly with 2 hands on the wheel and listened lol

Yeah I bought that and that he wanted to spin the situation positive for everyone and...oof I fell for that

 

[TwinTurbo]

If I was an NFL player, I would never drive to a game, rather be driven. It would avoid all this stuff. I have been pulled over a few times in life and was cuffed once by the cop who mistakenly thought I had stolen my own car. I get why people say to just comply (and I did) but I also get why people dont. It's an abuse of power typically by someone who is ill qualified to wield it.

 

[Bossman]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

On top of that Hill was very clearly exiting the car by himself. There was ZERO need to grab him and pull him out then pin him to the ground. Let the guy get out then calmly cuff him if you feel that’s necessary. There was no need to escalate it to being physical.

And for the record, prior to seeing the body cam, I full expected Hill to be popping off and inciting this situation.

You feel he was getting out of the car by himself?
The video that I watched showed the cop having to open the car door and then Hill sitting there with one leg out and hands out. It didn't appear he was attempting to get out at all ... you actually need to use your hands to exit that car. He just sat there with his hands out.
He was attempting to exit the car just like he was later attempting to sit on the curb.

 

[Grahamburn]

If I was an NFL player, I would never drive to a game, rather be driven. It would avoid all this stuff. I have been pulled over a few times in life and was cuffed once by the cop who mistakenly thought I had stolen my own car. I get why people say to just comply (and I did) but I also get why people dont. It's an abuse of power typically by someone who is ill qualified to wield it.

If I had that car I'd certainly want to drive it myself.

 

[Bossman]

From the Miami Dolphins...

Dolphins Issue Statement on Tyreek Hill Incident

The Miami Dolphins released a statement Monday night accusing Miami-Dade Police Department officers of using 'unnecessary force and hostility' toward wide recei

www.si.com

“We are saddened by the overly aggressive and violent conduct directed towards Tyreek Hill, Calais Campbell and Jonnu Smith by police officers before yesterday’s game. It is both maddening and heartbreaking to watch the very people we trust to protect our community use such unnecessary force and hostility towards these players, yet it is also a reminder that not every situation like this ends in peace, as we are grateful this one did. ‘What if I wasn’t Tyreek Hill?’ is a question that will carry with resounding impact.

"We are proud to have a strong and positive relationship with the Miami-Dade Police Department and other law enforcement agencies and recognize that the vast majority of officers do serve the community with the utmost character and desire to protect all citizens. However, as is on full display in the videos released tonight, there are some officers who mistake their responsibility and commitment to serve with misguided power. While we commend MDPD for taking the right and necessary action to quickly release this footage, we also urge them to take equally swift and strong action against the officers who engaged in such despicable behavior.

"We will stand beside Tyreek and our players as they work to use their platform and this situation to make a positive impact in our community. We have always believed that the game of football holds a unique power to bring people together, and we remain hopeful that through the collective work of the players, organization and our community partners, we can create lasting change.”

-That is some strong language for an NFL football team.

Not one mention of the actions of Hill? This is just normal behavior when being pulled over?
I hope the police dept has "strong language" in response to this.
Words like "repeatedly ignoring officers requests" and "refusing to comply resulting in use of force".

 

[TwinTurbo]

If I was an NFL player, I would never drive to a game, rather be driven. It would avoid all this stuff. I have been pulled over a few times in life and was cuffed once by the cop who mistakenly thought I had stolen my own car. I get why people say to just comply (and I did) but I also get why people dont. It's an abuse of power typically by someone who is ill qualified to wield it.

If I had that car I'd certainly want to drive it myself.

Yeah same but for game day just have your driver take your G-wagon. No drama and you can set your fantasy lineup on the way

 

[dkp993]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

On top of that Hill was very clearly exiting the car by himself. There was ZERO need to grab him and pull him out then pin him to the ground. Let the guy get out then calmly cuff him if you feel that’s necessary. There was no need to escalate it to being physical.

And for the record, prior to seeing the body cam, I full expected Hill to be popping off and inciting this situation.

You feel he was getting out of the car by himself?
The video that I watched showed the cop having to open the car door and then Hill sitting there with one leg out and hands out. It didn't appear he was attempting to get out at all ... you actually need to use your hands to exit that car. He just sat there with his hands out.
He was attempting to exit the car just like he was later attempting to sit on the curb.

That not how I see it. His leg is out because he’s starting to get out. In his hands are his cell (and possibly wallet, I’m remembering from watching last night) so he’s gathering his stuff and he’s clearly making an effort to move out when the cop reaches in and grabs him. Getting out of a car like that is not like getting out of a Corolla. It’s low, big bucket seats, a door that opens awkwardly, etc etc. In my eyes he’s clearly starting that process.

 

[HellToupee]

I think Campbell was treated the worst. Hill’s behavior triggered the overreaction. Campbell was calmly talking and the cop flipped out.

 

[dkp993]

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looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

Shocker that the cops exaggerated. Absolutely in shock here.

Yeah, the cops exaggerated. Not Hill.

We get it: you hate cops.

Definitely not 100 and the roadway looked nothing (from a busyness or crowdedness) like it does once he’s pulled over and people are gawking. He was speeding yes, but hardly in overly reckless manner. I probably sped like that on my way to work today. Worthy of a ticket, most certainly. Worthy of being called dangerous, certainly not.

 

[Navin Johnson]

enjoy working at the DMV boys, hope it was worth it.

worst case, they will be allowed to resign and get hired in a different municipality

 

[Grahamburn]

From the citation:

"visual estimation of speed 60 MPH"
"high traffic of pedestrians and vehicles"

 

[Terpman22]

From the citation:

"visual estimation of speed 60 MPH"
"high traffic of pedestrians and vehicles"

I keep getting shocked the more and more real actual facts come out.

WOW TYREEK WAS RIDING A ROCKET GOING 5000 MPH

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Oh, he was actually doing in 60 in a 35.

 

[Dickies]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

The police are in a position of authority, aren't they? When they ask you something, you cooperate; if you are rude, they will be rude back. Why is this so hard to understand?

You wanna be me first guy? Do it in your own home or controlled environment. You need to be a team player when you step out into public, it ain't just about you anymore. You don't get to do what you want in civil societies, there are rules you follow.

Tyreke didn't do anything terrible. He was more civil than I would've guessed. But he caught an attitude and caught a man in a higher position of authority than him with an attitude. be civil and your chances of this stuff happening go way down.

I think the police went well beyond just being rude.

 

[TwinTurbo]

From the citation:

"visual estimation of speed 60 MPH"
"high traffic of pedestrians and vehicles"

I keep getting shocked the more and more real actual facts come out.

WOW TYREEK WAS RIDING A ROCKET GOING 5000 MPH

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Oh, he was actually doing in 60 in a 35.

Ah yes the classic visual estimation of speed. Yes Police can simply guess your speed even in opposing lanes. Its also one way to justify a stop in order to find other stuff. Maybe he was going 60 or maybe he wasn't. His nickname is Cheetah and he is driving a supercar, so we'll just round up that guess.

 

[Bankerguy]

I have not watched ALL videos available.

However, from what I saw:

In my opinion, T. Hill acted like a total tool, it just reeked of an ignorant spoiled millionaire having a fit. Don’t touch my window schtick - donkey move.

However - let’s be super clear - that is not against the law. Police still need to be “above” this. In my opinion, his verbal hostility and then putting up his tinted windows put the officer in potential danger. Being a cop is dangerous. . I get that, understand it and appreciate that.

I certainly support the officer opening the car door and asking him to step out (for his safety). Everything else that happened after that I cannot support in any way. The cop was butt hurt and let his frustrations take over - not a good trait for a cop.

All parties end up looking stupid to me. The cop deserves a punishment.

 

[jm192]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

The police are in a position of authority, aren't they? When they ask you something, you cooperate; if you are rude, they will be rude back. Why is this so hard to understand?

You wanna be me first guy? Do it in your own home or controlled environment. You need to be a team player when you step out into public, it ain't just about you anymore. You don't get to do what you want in civil societies, there are rules you follow.

Tyreke didn't do anything terrible. He was more civil than I would've guessed. But he caught an attitude and caught a man in a higher position of authority than him with an attitude. be civil and your chances of this stuff happening go way down.

Tyreke was a tool. And probably if he isn't, this doesn't happen.

It still doesn't give the cop a pass.

"Oh you rolled your window up on me?! I'm going to arrest you and throw you on the ground. "

Position of authority or not, not acceptable behavior from someone granted authroity.

 

[Bossman]

I have not watched ALL videos available.

However, from what I saw:

In my opinion, T. Hill acted like a total tool, it just reeked of an ignorant spoiled millionaire having a fit. Don’t touch my window schtick - donkey move.

However - let’s be super clear - that is not against the law. Police still need to be “above” this. In my opinion, his verbal hostility and then putting up his tinted windows put the officer in potential danger. Being a cop is dangerous. . I get that, understand it and appreciate that.

I certainly support the officer opening the car door and asking him to step out (for his safety). Everything else that happened after that I cannot support in any way. The cop was butt hurt and let his frustrations take over - not a good trait for a cop.

All parties end up looking stupid to me. The cop deserves a punishment.

I think you are right in that both parties are at fault.
The fact that Hill being a tool was the fuel that caused the cop to get butt hurt and frustrated makes me want to fault Hill 80/20.

 

[Donnybrook]

I somewhat understand why Hill acted the way he did. He said he was embarrassed so rolling up the window was probably his attempt not to be identified by the general public.
Don't really understand his anger when the cop tapped on his window the first time. After which he repeats that he shouldn't be banging on his window. That is not the reaction of a person that has any recognition that the cop is just doing his job. I still think that was his downfall. You got to give respect to get it.

Later when he is getting cuffed he continues to gas-light when he starts repeatedly saying that the cop was banging on his window like a madman.

 

[Terpman22]

From the citation:

"visual estimation of speed 60 MPH"
"high traffic of pedestrians and vehicles"

I keep getting shocked the more and more real actual facts come out.

WOW TYREEK WAS RIDING A ROCKET GOING 5000 MPH

to

Oh, he was actually doing in 60 in a 35.

Ah yes the classic visual estimation of speed. Yes Police can simply guess your speed even in opposing lanes. Its also one way to justify a stop in order to find other stuff. Maybe he was going 60 or maybe he wasn't. His nickname is Cheetah and he is driving a supercar, so we'll just round up that guess.

Ahh yes, the classic "Cops are this bad at guessing speeding even though they do this almost every day of their lives"

There are guys that watch pitchers in baseball that can tell the diff by looking at a guy from 100 mPH to 90 MPH, but a trained "highly paid" professional police officer that does this all the time, routinely mistakes 100 MPH for "Could be 65, could be 150 I dunno, it was just my eyes not technology"

Some of you guys really go out of your way to excuse these cops behavior and non stop dishonesty.

 

[Grahamburn]

From the citation:

"visual estimation of speed 60 MPH"
"high traffic of pedestrians and vehicles"

I keep getting shocked the more and more real actual facts come out.

WOW TYREEK WAS RIDING A ROCKET GOING 5000 MPH

to

Oh, he was actually doing in 60 in a 35.

Ah yes the classic visual estimation of speed. Yes Police can simply guess your speed even in opposing lanes. Its also one way to justify a stop in order to find other stuff. Maybe he was going 60 or maybe he wasn't. His nickname is Cheetah and he is driving a supercar, so we'll just round up that guess.

Ahh yes, the classic "Cops are this bad at guessing speeding even though they do this almost every day of their lives"

There are guys that watch pitchers in baseball that can tell the diff by looking at a guy from 100 mPH to 90 MPH, but a trained "highly paid" professional police officer that does this all the time, routinely mistakes 100 MPH for "Could be 65, could be 150 I dunno, it was just my eyes not technology"

Some of you guys really go out of your way to excuse these cops behavior and non stop dishonesty.

And you're excusing his. He broke the law twice and then acted like a **** when the cops called him on it. They were wrong. He was wrong. Nobody's behavior should be excused here.

Both sides should be using it as an example of how NOT to act if we want any kind of reasonably positive changes in law enforcement.

 

[Grahamburn]

Hill tweeted something simple like "we need change" that I saw NFL Network report earlier. OK? Why not tweet something like "I could have been better. They could have been better. Let's all be better. If you're a young person who saw that video don't do what I did. Don't do what they did. We need change"

You're not helping anything by inciting people to disrespect police officers.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

caused the cop to get butt hurt

Nothing caused that other than the cop’s inability to maintain his composure. Cops are able to handle situations like this every day without escalating it like this one did. Hill doesn’t absorb 80% of the blame because this guy is ****ty at his job.

 

[Bossman]

caused the cop to get butt hurt

Nothing caused that other than the cop’s inability to maintain his composure. Cops are able to handle situations like this every day without escalating it like this one did. Hill doesn’t absorb 80% of the blame because this guy is ****ty at his job.

So the cop was going to lose his composure either way?
I don't think the cop would have had the same attitude if Hill complied by having his window already down, leaving it down, ... or putting it back down when asked. It should have never got to the point that the cops had to use force to get him to comply.
Hill was the catalyst in everything wrong that happened here ... THEN the cop went too far.

 

[BobbyLayne]

x.com

x.com

looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

Shocker that the cops exaggerated. Absolutely in shock here.

Several posts in here indicate with certainty "Hill was going 100 mph in a 35 mph zone"

Hill
was ultimately cited for careless driving and a seatbelt violation, according to citations released by police.

The citations note Hill’s vehicle had a “visual estimation 60 mph.”

The police said he was going an estimated 60 mph. The AP reported that yesterday. Yet all over X were various reports....

• 60 in a 45
• 114 in a 35
• well over 100
• etc

I noticed some news reports wrote "60 mph (97 kph)" so maybe the metric reference confused people. I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Bossman]

I somewhat understand why Hill acted the way he did. He said he was embarrassed so rolling up the window was probably his attempt not to be identified by the general public.
Don't really understand his anger when the cop tapped on his window the first time. After which he repeats that he shouldn't be banging on his window. That is not the reaction of a person that has any recognition that the cop is just doing his job. I still think that was his downfall. You got to give respect to get it.

Later when he is getting cuffed he continues to gas-light when he starts repeatedly saying that the cop was banging on his window like a madman.

I understand Hill probably did not want to be seen pulled over, having his photo all over social media, so he wanted the tinted window back up ... but how about you explain that to the cop so he understands who you are and why you would like the window up. Ask the cop if he would come to the passenger side. I've seen cops do it.
"Hey, I know I was going too fast. Do you mind if we do this thru the passenger side? I play for the Dolphins and I don't want this to be blasted all over social media."

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

caused the cop to get butt hurt

Nothing caused that other than the cop’s inability to maintain his composure. Cops are able to handle situations like this every day without escalating it like this one did. Hill doesn’t absorb 80% of the blame because this guy is ****ty at his job.

none of this happens if Hill cooperates and isn't a jerk.

 

[Ray_T]

I somewhat understand why Hill acted the way he did. He said he was embarrassed so rolling up the window was probably his attempt not to be identified by the general public.
Don't really understand his anger when the cop tapped on his window the first time. After which he repeats that he shouldn't be banging on his window. That is not the reaction of a person that has any recognition that the cop is just doing his job. I still think that was his downfall. You got to give respect to get it.

Later when he is getting cuffed he continues to gas-light when he starts repeatedly saying that the cop was banging on his window like a madman.

I understand Hill probably did not want to be seen pulled over, having his photo all over social media, so he wanted the tinted window back up ... but how about you explain that to the cop so he understands who you are and why you would like the window up. Ask the cop if he would come to the passenger side. I've seen cops do it.
"Hey, I know I was going too fast. Do you mind if we do this thru the passenger side? I play for the Dolphins and I don't want this to be blasted all over social media."

some cops are reasonable that way, but some are not.

some want to be 100% in control and 100% the boss when they pull you over and if you do something like that they'll say you are resisting arrest or something dumb like that.

 

[Ray_T]

caused the cop to get butt hurt

Nothing caused that other than the cop’s inability to maintain his composure. Cops are able to handle situations like this every day without escalating it like this one did. Hill doesn’t absorb 80% of the blame because this guy is ****ty at his job.

I'm sure there is an element of blame on both sides. its rare that one party is 100% blameless.

I'm sure the cop had some reasons to do what he did. I'm not by any means saying those are valid reasons. There are good and bad cops out there. I'd say 2/3 are good, but the rest vary between so so and bad to various degrees.

I dont like speculating on this sort of thing because I dont have the facts. the only fact I'm reasonably certain of is that he was likely driving in a manner that warranted being pulled over.

after that, I cannot say.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Seems pretty clear from Florida law that Tyreek refusing the cop's order (i.e. "direction") to keep the window rolled down was by itself also unlawful

OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer

2024 Florida statutes

The question is whether or not that is a lawful order

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

the officers wanted the window down to see what, if anything, he was doing. And him not rolling the window down at first and then only cracking it made Hill look suspicious.

 

[Wrigley]

They pulled him over for not wearing a seatbelt. They can run his license, registration and if there are no other issues, they issue a minor traffic violation. Context is important.

Escalating this into a situation that did not warrant it, is just dumb behavior by the police officers and I'm sure they will pay the price for it.

Wasn’t he speeding through a construction zone?

 

[dkp993]

caused the cop to get butt hurt

Nothing caused that other than the cop’s inability to maintain his composure. Cops are able to handle situations like this every day without escalating it like this one did. Hill doesn’t absorb 80% of the blame because this guy is ****ty at his job.

So the cop was going to lose his composure either way?
I don't think the cop would have had the same attitude if Hill complied by having his window already down, leaving it down, ... or putting it back down when asked. It should have never got to the point that the cops had to use force to get him to comply.
Hill was the catalyst in everything wrong that happened here ... THEN the cop went too far.

Being the catalyst does not justify the response. In the situation 1 person is the paid professional and the other is a citizen. Did the citizen act 100% letter perfect, no. But that’s not required for the paid professional to at as such.

And again I want to make perfectly clear my position. Prior to the videos I fully expected Hill, based on his history, to have been the one in the wrong and created the assumed appropriate reaction. That’s not the case. Hill wasn’t “perfect” but the reaction wasn’t even remotely justified.

 

[Navin Johnson]

the officers wanted the window down to see what, if anything, he was doing. And him not rolling the window down at first and then only cracking it made Hill look suspicious.

Suspicious of what?