Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (2 Viewers)

[BladeRunner]

I'm glad to see a lot of people saying "they both screwed up". Everyone these days just wants to take a side, defend their point of view, argue against some person/group.

This is a prime example of where they both screwed up.... can't it be that? Does it really need to be "who screwed up more"?

Yea man the cops screwed up significantly more.

And to answer “Does it really need to be who was worse”


Yes! Especially if the side that is worse is supposed to be a public servant that you can trust that feeds himself and his family off of tax dollars.

Both were wrong.

 

[Deamon]

I'm glad to see a lot of people saying "they both screwed up". Everyone these days just wants to take a side, defend their point of view, argue against some person/group.

This is a prime example of where they both screwed up.... can't it be that? Does it really need to be "who screwed up more"?

Yea man the cops screwed up significantly more.

And to answer “Does it really need to be who was worse”


Yes! Especially if the side that is worse is supposed to be a public servant that you can trust that feeds himself and his family off of tax dollars.

Fair enough, I'll agree with that.

I just don't love that he didn't just leave his window down... or more so, that he went up on the podium and said he silently complied with his hands on the wheel.

But ya, the cops were ridiculously overboard. Watching them act like that when it was COMPLETELY unnecessary to do this is bothersome. I guess if they are paid to de-escalate situations, and trained to do so, then they should do that. And they did the opposite of that.

 

[Grahamburn]

He was abrasive to a cop. That’s just stupid. I guess stupid isn’t against the law, but don’t act surprised when they are abrasive back.

There is absolutely nothing he did that demonstrated that response. Completely ridiculous.

Not trying to absolve them of anything or justify their response.

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

 

[BladeRunner]

He was abrasive to a cop. That’s just stupid. I guess stupid isn’t against the law, but don’t act surprised when they are abrasive back.

There is absolutely nothing he did that demonstrated that response. Completely ridiculous.

Not trying to absolve them of anything or justify their response.

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Stoneworker]

Seems pretty clear from Florida law that Tyreek refusing the cop's order (i.e. "direction") to keep the window rolled down was by itself also unlawful

OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer

2024 Florida statutes

 

[karl.Racki]

He was abrasive to a cop. That’s just stupid. I guess stupid isn’t against the law, but don’t act surprised when they are abrasive back.

There is absolutely nothing he did that demonstrated that response. Completely ridiculous.

Not trying to absolve them of anything or justify their response.

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

Is there a rule or law you have to be nice to police? Never understood that.. The whole thing was he was a ****, he isn't a good guy, but that is him, and the cop feelings were upset and they abused their power which seems alot of cops are doing now.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

I think it's a bit further than just "mouthing off" based on the report and no, I do not think this is a political discussion. I'm simply talking about WHY he went to the ground in the first place.

Why do you think they cuffed Man of the Year and wildly regarded great guy Calais Campbell?

because a stranger walked into an active traffic stop trying to interfere. That's a definite no-no, especially in a tense situation. Watch some cop videos on you tube to find out what happens to people who try to interfere. Cops need to protect themselves and strangers walking into a scene they have no idea what they are going to do. Lot of these strangers try to free the suspect.

Blade - first, good to see you in here. It’s been awhile, hope you are well.

I’d encourage you to watch the video of Calais Campbell describing how he handled the situation. It sounds like one specific officer went way way overboard.

 

[Doubles]

I'm glad to see a lot of people saying "they both screwed up". Everyone these days just wants to take a side, defend their point of view, argue against some person/group.

This is a prime example of where they both screwed up.... can't it be that? Does it really need to be "who screwed up more"?

It’s the internet. So there isn’t nuance. I agree with you. They both were pricks. But the internet plus law enforcement means no nuance at all.

 

[BladeRunner]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

I think it's a bit further than just "mouthing off" based on the report and no, I do not think this is a political discussion. I'm simply talking about WHY he went to the ground in the first place.

Why do you think they cuffed Man of the Year and wildly regarded great guy Calais Campbell?

because a stranger walked into an active traffic stop trying to interfere. That's a definite no-no, especially in a tense situation. Watch some cop videos on you tube to find out what happens to people who try to interfere. Cops need to protect themselves and strangers walking into a scene they have no idea what they are going to do. Lot of these strangers try to free the suspect.

Blade - first, good to see you in here. It’s been awhile, hope you are well.

I’d encourage you to watch the video of Calais Campbell describing how he handled the situation. It sounds like one specific officer went way way overboard.

Thanks, Alex! I haven't seen that video but I will watch it. Always appreciate your posts!

 

[BladeRunner]

Seems pretty clear from Florida law that Tyreek refusing the cop's order (i.e. "direction") to keep the window rolled down was by itself also unlawful

OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer

2024 Florida statutes

Florida LOL.. One of the dumbest laws you can write, but I expect nothing less from Florida.

I'm trying to understand how that is dumb? If you're given a lawful order, you need to comply. That doesn't seem like a burden on a citizen of the United States or of a specific state. When your pulled over, you need to comply.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

I think it's a bit further than just "mouthing off" based on the report and no, I do not think this is a political discussion. I'm simply talking about WHY he went to the ground in the first place.

Why do you think they cuffed Man of the Year and wildly regarded great guy Calais Campbell?

because a stranger walked into an active traffic stop trying to interfere. That's a definite no-no, especially in a tense situation. Watch some cop videos on you tube to find out what happens to people who try to interfere. Cops need to protect themselves and strangers walking into a scene they have no idea what they are going to do. Lot of these strangers try to free the suspect.

Blade - first, good to see you in here. It’s been awhile, hope you are well.

I’d encourage you to watch the video of Calais Campbell describing how he handled the situation. It sounds like one specific officer went way way overboard.

Thanks, Alex! I haven't seen that video but I will watch it. Always appreciate your posts!

Likewise BR.

It’s funny, I’ve been stopped by the police twice with my son in the car. Both times I used it as an opportunity to role-model how to interact with the police. I explained it to my son the whole time it was happening (son was 6, 10 for each situation). Both times the officers in question smiled / lightly chuckled as I was giving running commentary about what was happening and why I was taking specific actions…….why would anyone want to alienate a police officer who has a weapon???

 

[fruity pebbles]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

 

[BladeRunner]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

I think it's a bit further than just "mouthing off" based on the report and no, I do not think this is a political discussion. I'm simply talking about WHY he went to the ground in the first place.

Why do you think they cuffed Man of the Year and wildly regarded great guy Calais Campbell?

because a stranger walked into an active traffic stop trying to interfere. That's a definite no-no, especially in a tense situation. Watch some cop videos on you tube to find out what happens to people who try to interfere. Cops need to protect themselves and strangers walking into a scene they have no idea what they are going to do. Lot of these strangers try to free the suspect.

Blade - first, good to see you in here. It’s been awhile, hope you are well.

I’d encourage you to watch the video of Calais Campbell describing how he handled the situation. It sounds like one specific officer went way way overboard.

Thanks, Alex! I haven't seen that video but I will watch it. Always appreciate your posts!

Likewise BR.

It’s funny, I’ve been stopped by the police twice with my son in the car. Both times I used it as an opportunity to role-model how to interact with the police. I explained it to my son the whole time it was happening (son was 6, 10 for each situation). Both times the officers in question smiled / lightly chuckled as I was giving running commentary about what was happening and why I was taking specific actions…….why would anyone want to alienate a police officer who has a weapon???

I agree and I've taught my son the same. Just comply and it will go a lot easier. It almost always does. it's so simple, too.

 

[Stoneworker]

Seems pretty clear from Florida law that Tyreek refusing the cop's order (i.e. "direction") to keep the window rolled down was by itself also unlawful

OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer

2024 Florida statutes

Florida LOL.. One of the dumbest laws you can write, but I expect nothing less from Florida.

Perhaps the citizens of FL felt a need to codify common sense

 

[-OZ-]

Seems pretty clear from Florida law that Tyreek refusing the cop's order (i.e. "direction") to keep the window rolled down was by itself also unlawful

OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer

2024 Florida statutes

Florida LOL.. One of the dumbest laws you can write, but I expect nothing less from Florida.

I'm trying to understand how that is dumb? If you're given a lawful order, you need to comply. That doesn't seem like a burden on a citizen of the United States or of a specific state. When your pulled over, you need to comply.

There are plenty of dumb laws. This isn’t one of them. Cops are in a tough spot, trying to maintain order in uncertain situations. They cannot know if the person they stop for driving illegally - reckless, speeding, drunk, whatever, is going to be a decent human being, pull a weapon on them or somewhere in between. That doesn’t excuse abuse, but it sure makes laws to comply with lawful orders make sense.

 

[-OZ-]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

It’s good to see someone who describes themself as anti cop see where tyreek was wrong here.

I’m generally pro cop, many friends and colleagues are cops. It seems this cop was in the wrong too.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

It’s good to see someone who describes themself as anti cop see where tyreek was wrong here.

I’m generally pro cop, many friends and colleagues are cops. It seems this cop was in the wrong too.

I had a very bad encounter one time on a traffic stop and I’ve been a bit jaded ever since. I really think this would have been a quick stop and go for Tyreek if he didn’t act like a complete tool.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

It’s good to see someone who describes themself as anti cop see where tyreek was wrong here.

I’m generally pro cop, many friends and colleagues are cops. It seems this cop was in the wrong too.

I had a very bad encounter one time on a traffic stop and I’ve been a bit jaded ever since. I really think this would have been a quick stop and go for Tyreek if he didn’t act like a complete tool.

Yep. How tough would this be?

“Hi officer. How are you today? Did I do something wrong?”

[officer speaks]

“Oh, ok. Thanks for letting me know. My name is Kevin Hart, I’m just on my way to do a halftime comedy show at the football stadium. Apologies for doing {……..}. I guess I got distracted. What do you need from me to make this process easy and smooth?”

 

[Grahamburn]

He was abrasive to a cop. That’s just stupid. I guess stupid isn’t against the law, but don’t act surprised when they are abrasive back.

There is absolutely nothing he did that demonstrated that response. Completely ridiculous.

Not trying to absolve them of anything or justify their response.

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

Is there a rule or law you have to be nice to police? Never understood that.. The whole thing was he was a ****, he isn't a good guy, but that is him, and the cop feelings were upset and they abused their power which seems alot of cops are doing now.

You don’t even have to see the video to know what happened.

Is there a rule or law that you have to be nice to the police? No. I guess not. But, it certainly helps your cause if you are.

Again, that 2nd cop is completely in the wrong, but it didn’t have to get there.

 

[BladeRunner]

Footage emerges of initial interaction between police and Tyreek Hill

Hill was a little uncooperative, but the police reaction seemed to be excessive.

www.nbcsports.com

The reaction seems excessive. But Hill also seemed to be uncooperative, especially when he put his window up and refused to put it back down.

The reason for keeping the window down is obvious. The officers need to see whether the driver has a gun or any other weapon. If the window is tinted and up, the officers are at a clear disadvantage.

The message to anyone who gets pulled over is clear. Just do what they tell you to do, unless they tell you to do something completely unreasonable. It’s not unreasonable to be asked to put the window down and leave it down.

That said, the reaction seems excessive.

So it’s possible that Hill didn’t handle the situation in an ideal way, and that the police went too far in dragging him out of the car and handcuffing him.

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

He was abrasive to a cop. That’s just stupid. I guess stupid isn’t against the law, but don’t act surprised when they are abrasive back.

Abrasive back sure, putting someone on the ground and cuffing them is going too far. 4 cops, and Tyreek, not one time did I feel they were unsafe.

You ever been trained in taking down a threat? Overwhelming force (or firepower) is the key. This isn't something new or different than what any law enforcement branch or the military uses. It's standard practice.

where was the threat?

You don't get to make that call sitting on your couch. Threat or someone resisting or obstructing you're going to get the same reaction.

I see the body cam video, the cops were never in danger..

Listen, I am pro-police, but come on. Police were wrong here.

The irony here is that if there was actually a dangerous situation and Reek was reaching for a weapon behind the tinted windows, the cop's action may have been really detrimental to his own health. Not sure any of it was in the training manual.

 

[HellToupee]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

I usually come at it on the opposite and find myself siding with the police most of the time. Hill not rolling the window down was stupid as hell. The cops were way too aggressive on this one , imo, despite Hill’’s behavior

 

[FarFromHome]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

 

[Nigel]

Rolling up a window that the cop cannot see through/know what you’re fiddling atround with inside, against very clear orders in the wake of you driving like an a-hole, is a terrible, d-bad decision. Tyreek seemed intent on escalating. Cops could have handled it better but damn, based on reactions here the pendulum has swung WAY too far.

**** THE POLICE!!!

 

[Navin Johnson]

The Police union put a ******** statement out.

First he was never under arrest, so why was he on the ground and hand cuffed? Oh right 4 police officer safety were in trouble.

Well this certainly changes things

 

[Gatorade]

These cops need to be taken off the street. Hill didn't behave intelligently, but the police officers escalated the situation to the point of kicking him while cuffed. That's asinine. It's the police officers job to deescalate, not to get into **** measuring contests. What a clusterF!

I have seen several videos, but have not seen one where a cop is kicking Tyreek.

 

[Chaos34]

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

I got pulled over this summer at 10:30 at night for running a stop light. It was a quiet night and I was the only person at the intersection and in my old age I just treated the light like a stop sign. lol
Stopped. Looked both ways. Rolled through it. I pulled far over on the shoulder rolled down all four windows, put both hands on the wheel and cheerfully said, "Good evening! What I do!?" He explained it. I just shook my head and said, "Don't get old. Do your worst." He smiled and asked where I was going, if I'd been drinking, and for my license, reg, and proof of insurance. To the grocery, no, and here they are. He went to run my license, came back surprisingly fast, told me to go do my shopping, drive safe and have a good night.

 

[Deamon]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

I know it's just words, but this was the part that did it for me. It was so cringe.

The moment they said this, they proved that they were:
- acting out of emotion
- not attempting to de-escalate the situation
- not calm and collected
- completely unprofessional

 

[Grahamburn]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

They weren’t pulling him over for a seatbelt infraction. I believe it was for speeding? They couldn’t have. With how dark those windows are tinted they couldn’t have seen in the car to see he wasn’t wearing one.

When the cop walks up he taps on the window. Tyreek rolls the window down and he notices he doesn’t have one on and mentions it. Not wearing a seatbelt is against the law. Yes?

Then Tyreek starts going on with “why you tappin on my window like that?” ignoring his questions. The cop answers with, “because you had it up.” Tyreek then rolls the window back UP after giving the cop his license, which is basically a giant “Eff you” to a police offer who clearly preferred your window stay down.

Cop taps on window again and tells him to put it back down. Tyreek says, “why you rappin on my window like that, bruh?!” Over and over ignoring his instructions again and very much escalating the situation.

Cop 1 then asks him to get out of the car. Then cop 2 comes over and asks way harder than he needed to.

 

[Grahamburn]

Look forward to the cuffed backflip TD celebration dance.

Nailed it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

“I just wanted to make sure I was doing what my uncle always told me to do whenever you're in a situation like that — put your hands on the steering wheel and just listen."


:chuckle:

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Weird. I’ve been pulled over plenty of times for driving violations. Can’t say I’ve ever ended up in handcuffs.

You probably didn't start barking at cops

Accurate

Might also have a fairer complexion than Tyreek.

24 posts until the race card was pulled.

Shocked it took this group that long.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Dolphins spokesman saying the police went overboard in this.

Not sure what else they would say.

I know it’s really hard to do, but maybe don’t say anything until you have the full story.

So Tyreek don't have a first amendment right?

The first amendment has limits.
I have no idea if he crossed those limits but I’ll wait to make judgment of the officers. If they overreacted, they should face discipline. If not, tyreek probably deserves some.

So if I am out in my yard and my neighbor starts on me about something.. I can go over, tackle him, and cuff him?

Exactly the same thing.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Honest question: If you've provided identification, and you can hear the police and communicate with them, how is it a lawful order to roll the window down more? They're not entitled to a free peek or smell to see if there's something to investigate. If he's stopped for speeding, and he provided the license, etc, and you can talk to him, what's the problem that requires the use of force? Being rude is not a crime.

I don't usually pick a "side" in these things until I see the video. In this one I'll say if the police are trained to de-escalate a situation, those guys were out sick the day it was taught. Their quick escalation and snarky comments did not de-escalate anything. It looked like Hill was leaving his window open a crack at the end, so they'd have no problem seeing each other and communicating. Why should anyone potentially incriminate themselves by keeping it down lower than necessary?

Unrelated, but I'm not sure why they can mute their cameras. It should always record everything, and the department can choose to mute it when releasing to the public if there's personal information being revealed. But if the officers can choose when and where to do it, nobody would know exactly was said at those times. The officer asking if he should mute before telling the story is the opposite of transparency imo.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

They pulled him over for not wearing a seatbelt. They can run his license, registration and if there are no other issues, they issue a minor traffic violation. Context is important.

Escalating this into a situation that did not warrant it, is just dumb behavior by the police officers and I'm sure they will pay the price for it.

They escalated it, but so did he.

Doesn’t everyone recognize that? He acted like an entitled child when he didn’t need to and they acted like over zealous power starved bullies when they didn’t need to.

My understanding is that Tyreek Hill did not swear to protect and serve the citizenry. I also don't think he is taught to de-escalate a situation whenever possible.

So by admitting "they escalated it, but so did he" you are admitting they are in the wrong. If acting like an entitled child was illegal, we would have no candidates for public office.

 

[Da Guru]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

They weren’t pulling him over for a seatbelt infraction. I believe it was for speeding? They couldn’t have. With how dark those windows are tinted they couldn’t have seen in the car to see he wasn’t wearing one.

When the cop walks up he taps on the window. Tyreek rolls the window down and he notices he doesn’t have one on and mentions it. Not wearing a seatbelt is against the law. Yes?

Then Tyreek starts going on with “why you tappin on my window like that?” ignoring his questions. The cop answers with, “because you had it up.” Tyreek then rolls the window back UP after giving the cop his license, which is basically a giant “Eff you” to a police offer who clearly preferred your window stay down.

Cop taps on window again and tells him to put it back down. Tyreek says, “why you rappin on my window like that, bruh?!” Over and over ignoring his instructions again and very much escalating the situation.

Cop 1 then asks him to get out of the car. Then cop 2 comes over and asks way harder than he needed to.

A simple.."Here is my license, sorry did not realize I was speeding and Hill would have been on his way in a couple minutes. The officer probably would have let him go with a warning. When you say "stop knocking on my window 10 times, then roll up a tinted window so they can`t see inside things were not going to end well. Entitlement usually does not work well during traffic stops. So easily avoided.

 

[Mitchie]

However, had he been respectful initially none of it would have happened.

I got pulled over this summer at 10:30 at night for running a stop light. It was a quiet night and I was the only person at the intersection and in my old age I just treated the light like a stop sign. lol
Stopped. Looked both ways. Rolled through it. I pulled far over on the shoulder rolled down all four windows, put both hands on the wheel and cheerfully said, "Good evening! What I do!?" He explained it. I just shook my head and said, "Don't get old. Do your worst." He smiled and asked where I was going, if I'd been drinking, and for my license, reg, and proof of insurance. To the grocery, no, and here they are. He went to run my license, came back surprisingly fast, told me to go do my shopping, drive safe and have a good night.

yay we found someone who wasn't mistreated by the police

end thread\

 

[Grahamburn]

They pulled him over for not wearing a seatbelt. They can run his license, registration and if there are no other issues, they issue a minor traffic violation. Context is important.

Escalating this into a situation that did not warrant it, is just dumb behavior by the police officers and I'm sure they will pay the price for it.

They escalated it, but so did he.

Doesn’t everyone recognize that? He acted like an entitled child when he didn’t need to and they acted like over zealous power starved bullies when they didn’t need to.

My understanding is that Tyreek Hill did not swear to protect and serve the citizenry. I also don't think he is taught to de-escalate a situation whenever possible.

So by admitting "they escalated it, but so did he" you are admitting they are in the wrong. If acting like an entitled child was illegal, we would have no candidates for public office.

I did admit they were in the wrong. I also fully understand they have an extremely difficult job. Tyreek went out of his way to make it more difficult.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

They weren’t pulling him over for a seatbelt infraction. I believe it was for speeding? They couldn’t have. With how dark those windows are tinted they couldn’t have seen in the car to see he wasn’t wearing one.

When the cop walks up he taps on the window. Tyreek rolls the window down and he notices he doesn’t have one on and mentions it. Not wearing a seatbelt is against the law. Yes?

Then Tyreek starts going on with “why you tappin on my window like that?” ignoring his questions. The cop answers with, “because you had it up.” Tyreek then rolls the window back UP after giving the cop his license, which is basically a giant “Eff you” to a police offer who clearly preferred your window stay down.

Cop taps on window again and tells him to put it back down. Tyreek says, “why you rappin on my window like that, bruh?!” Over and over ignoring his instructions again and very much escalating the situation.

Cop 1 then asks him to get out of the car. Then cop 2 comes over and asks way harder than he needed to.

A simple.."Here is my license, sorry did not realize I was speeding and Hill would have been on his way in a couple minutes. The officer probably would have let him go with a warning. When you say "stop knocking on my window 10 times, then roll up a tinted window so they can`t see inside things were not going to end well. Entitlement usually does not work well during traffic stops. So easily avoided.

This

 

[pinkstapler]

GRAPHIC: LMPD releases bodycam video after officer shot during traffic stop

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NYPD officer shot, killed in line of duty during traffic stop

Chicago cop shot while attempting traffic stop

Man Shoots Officer Multiple Times During Traffic Stop

Kansas City police officer shot during traffic stop

West Memphis, Ark., police officers Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert were shot and killed during a traffic stop

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If my husband, wife, brother, sister, child, etc. is a police officer performing a traffic stop and the person they pulled over for reckless driving is being uncooperative, not following instructions, and then 100% obstructs the officers view of what they are doing inside that car by again ignoring instructions and rolling up a window that's covered by way darker than the allowed 28% tint per Florida state law; I would hope they are immediately escalate the situation in a direct, quick, and decisive manner with both their commands and actions to regain control of the situation and put themselves back in a safe position as quickly as possible. That is achieved by either breaking the window obstructing their view or removing that person from the vehicle. And being that the person already set the tone that they were going to be uncooperative and not follow instructions, they are to be controlled using restraints immediately, for the officers protection and that persons own protection as it doesn't allow them to make more bad decisions. Same goes for sitting them down so they can not flee which would mean that again, the police would have to escalate in kind and likely injure that person by chasing them and tackling them to the ground.

We get it. A lot of you give 0 fks about cops. But you also know sht all about cops or these situations. Every car they pull over is an opportunity to die. So watching you all MMQB a situation after the fact from a place of pretty much total ignorance of laws, procedure, as well as potential outcomes and point out how you "didn't like that officers tone" is fking infuriating. Give me your names and addresses so I can pass them along to all my local politicians who can immediately stop what they are doing and contact JoeBlow from FBG msg boards because THEY are the one that has the answer on how to stop jobs which carry a lot of power and authority from attracting people who crave power and authority that tend to be bad people, while still filling a job where you could die every day.

We're all morons who's knowledge of the world amounts to a teaspoon of gray matter when compared to that which we don't know. The major difference between us are the ones who acknowledge this fact; and the one's who keep David Dunning and Justin Kruger's names still relevant. It won't solve all the problems, but this country should take a page from Israel with regards to conscription. At least then people who are so deluded they believe their voice just NEEDS to be heard on issues which they can't even comprehend would have a small sliver of firsthand experience to base it on.

 

[renesauz]

Calais Campbell's own words on FT today with SAS and SS
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-It's pretty eye opening to hear him tell the story from his POV, doesn't seem to sugarcoat it or pull any punches
What an outstanding person, you wish that was the guy getting out of the car as you are being detained, arrested, ticketed and manhandled by the police
Incredible to hear him share this and not have to avoid giving details, fascinating

agreed, but it was pretty clear where Smith and Shannon were trying to go with it. I had to stop watching

 

[The Duff Man]

Zero issue with how this was handled by the police.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

GRAPHIC: LMPD releases bodycam video after officer shot during traffic stop

LA Police Officers Shot During Traffic Stop With AR-15

NYPD officer shot, killed in line of duty during traffic stop

Chicago cop shot while attempting traffic stop

Man Shoots Officer Multiple Times During Traffic Stop

Kansas City police officer shot during traffic stop

West Memphis, Ark., police officers Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert were shot and killed during a traffic stop

Police share update in traffic stop shooting of Philly police officer | FOX 29 News Philadelphia

If my husband, wife, brother, sister, child, etc. is a police officer performing a traffic stop and the person they pulled over for reckless driving is being uncooperative, not following instructions, and then 100% obstructs the officers view of what they are doing inside that car by again ignoring instructions and rolling up a window that's covered by way darker than the allowed 28% tint per Florida state law; I would hope they are immediately escalate the situation in a direct, quick, and decisive manner with both their commands and actions to regain control of the situation and put themselves back in a safe position as quickly as possible. That is achieved by either breaking the window obstructing their view or removing that person from the vehicle. And being that the person already set the tone that they were going to be uncooperative and not follow instructions, they are to be controlled using restraints immediately, for the officers protection and that persons own protection as it doesn't allow them to make more bad decisions. Same goes for sitting them down so they can not flee which would mean that again, the police would have to escalate in kind and likely injure that person by chasing them and tackling them to the ground.

We get it. A lot of you give 0 fks about cops. But you also know sht all about cops or these situations. Every car they pull over is an opportunity to die. So watching you all MMQB a situation after the fact from a place of pretty much total ignorance of laws, procedure, as well as potential outcomes and point out how you "didn't like that officers tone" is fking infuriating. Give me your names and addresses so I can pass them along to all my local politicians who can immediately stop what they are doing and contact JoeBlow from FBG msg boards because THEY are the one that has the answer on how to stop jobs which carry a lot of power and authority from attracting people who crave power and authority that tend to be bad people, while still filling a job where you could die every day.

We're all morons whose knowledge of the world amounts to a teaspoon of gray matter when compared to that which we don't know. The major difference between us are the ones who acknowledge this fact; and the one's who keep David Dunning and Justin Kruger's names still relevant. It won't solve all the problems, but this country should take a page from Israel with regards to conscription. At least then people who are so deluded they believe their voice just NEEDS to be heard on issues which they can't even comprehend would have a small sliver of firsthand experience to base it on.

Emotion has no part in this, the police were out of line in this situation.

Do i need to preface and say that regular police have it easy compared to what I did when boarding drug boats in the pacific and atlantic not knowing if I had a gun pointed out my face as we breached? I shouldn’t have to, it’s a tough job but when they screw up they need to own it.

 

[SayWhat?]

I'm glad to see a lot of people saying "they both screwed up". Everyone these days just wants to take a side, defend their point of view, argue against some person/group.

This is a prime example of where they both screwed up.... can't it be that? Does it really need to be "who screwed up more"?

It can be a both screwed up, sure. That said, citizens “screw up” all the time in interactions with police, and unless they are posing a threat to the officers safety or well being, things shouldn’t be escalated by police to this level, at least not this quickly.

From what I could tell, it was mostly just one officer. But that not a single other officer (of 5+?) told him to calm the F down is disturbing. Not when he’s yelling “break the ****ing window”, not when he’s yelling at Tyreek that “you do what we ****ing tell you to do” as Tyreek is eating concrete, not when he’s choke holding Tyreek out of nowhere to force him to sit, not when he’s immediately overly aggressive to Calais. Nope. Never not once does someone tell him to chill out. It’s officers like that cause 99% of the problem and lack of trust from all citizens. This guy should be terminated without any further discussion necessary. He’s clearly not fit emotionally to be a public servant in this capacity. That he won’t be terminated is the root of the issue.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Like a brief, tiny window back to the days of the PSF

 

[Todem]

Rolling up a window that the cop cannot see through/know what you’re fiddling atround with inside, against very clear orders in the wake of you driving like an a-hole, is a terrible, d-bad decision. Tyreek seemed intent on escalating. Cops could have handled it better but damn, based on reactions here the pendulum has swung WAY too far.

**** THE POLICE!!!

Really? I don’t think so.

I think everyone in here is in complete agreement that Tyreek absolutely did not help himself by rolling his window back up (illegal tints mind you) and agitated the police officers.

Then the Police officers really got hostile and took it to a place that was not good. There was culpability on both sides but the officers really were clearly not handling it professionally.

And they knew this was Tyreek Hill. Yeah yeah special treatment for athletes…..seriously they F’ed up here and they will be disciplined no doubt.

I think actually all of us can move on. This is all done. And fortunately nothing serious at all happened.

The internet and social media won’t let it go and the all the extreme opinions on both sides are loud, obnoxious and plentiful.

Common sense say’s

Both sides could have handled it better.

Anyway…….moving on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Reports are the Cheetah was going mph in a 35 zone

-I've been slow to correct anyone about the street that Hill was on but I promise you many of us Phins fans that are local, Univ of Miami fans who frequent the stadium, that strip Tyreek was pulled over is almost in the parking lot of Hard Rock. There's a Walgreens and Walmart strip somewhere close to the Stadium but that is about it

3 Hours prior, there is traffic but it's nowhere near what you see about 60-90 minutes before kick off.
Hill could have really injured someone if he was traveling that fast.

The more details that emerge, the more I feel like both sides could have and should have acted in a better manner and I still Calais Campbell
I am trying to get a Storm Duck jersey, rookie DB for Miami and now I think I'm gonna need a Calais Campbell jersey
I was quick to give accolades to Campbell and I still believe he is the best part of this entire incident

 

[SoBeDad]

Zero issue with how this was handled by the police.

There's a great chance that some of the police officers involved will be ordered to undergo training on how not to escalate a traffic stop for reckless driving.

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

 

[Todem]

Zero issue with how this was handled by the police.

There's a great chance that some of the police officers involved will be ordered to undergo training on how not to escalate a traffic stop for reckless driving.

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

You don’t go 100 MPH in a black McLaren and think you won’t get pulled over. Come on SoBe. That’s ridiculous.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

There's no context where the police were wrong for pulling him over for speeding. Don't care who he is or where he's going. Zero issues with that. They could've done a better job handling everything subsequently, but I have no idea how the context that he was speeding to get to his job has any relevance.