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Unofficial Canadian Thread - Previously Trucker Convoy thread (1 Viewer)

Insein

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Surprised there was no thread yet. 

Huge convoy travelling to Ottawa from both sides of Canada since last week. It arrived on Saturday. They are demanding an end to all Covid mandates in Canada. 

Meanwhile in response, Justin Trudeau has allegedly left the country for "security reasons". 

Not much mainstream coverage but plenty on Twitter. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10456147/Justin-Trudeau-flees-secret-location-50-000-Freedom-Convoy-truckers-hit-Ottawa.html

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1487558551723720704?t=Net-D4WTYSNDJ-HhUkLC8g&s=19

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1487862641980751875?t=rXLn3A7zRM9-5CM8G62c4w&s=19

 
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Seem like reasonable people. Disrespecting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Taking food from a soup kitchen and harassing the volunteers.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/top-canadian-defence-officials-condemn-protesters-dancing-on-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-1.5760168

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581382/ottawa-police-investigations-trucker-rally/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581568/ottawa-shepherds-of-good-hope-truck-convoy-protesters/

ETA: Whatever point they have is lost in their garbage behavior.

 
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tymarsas said:
Seem like reasonable people. Disrespecting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Taking food from a soup kitchen and harassing the volunteers.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/top-canadian-defence-officials-condemn-protesters-dancing-on-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-1.5760168

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581382/ottawa-police-investigations-trucker-rally/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581568/ottawa-shepherds-of-good-hope-truck-convoy-protesters/

ETA: Whatever point they have is lost in their garbage behavior.
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The only coverage fit to show are the people sent to disrupt. Fitting establishment material. 

 
tymarsas said:
Seem like reasonable people. Disrespecting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Taking food from a soup kitchen and harassing the volunteers.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/top-canadian-defence-officials-condemn-protesters-dancing-on-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-1.5760168

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581382/ottawa-police-investigations-trucker-rally/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581568/ottawa-shepherds-of-good-hope-truck-convoy-protesters/

ETA: Whatever point they have is lost in their garbage behavior.
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Agreed.   

 
Insein said:
Surprised there was no thread yet. 

Huge convoy travelling to Ottawa from both sides of Canada since last week. It arrived on Saturday. They are demanding an end to all Covid mandates in Canada. 

Meanwhile in response, Justin Trudeau has allegedly left the country for "security reasons". 
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Guarantee it did so by driving 10 mph(or 16ish/kph) below the speed limit after cutting off cars. 

 
It's HILARIOUS to me that they were saying this was going to have 50,000 trucks and 500,000/1.5 Million people (depending on the source) and even more than that, that people believed it. Do you have any idea how far that would stretch? Let's get some basic math/logic/common sense in here.

The reality is there are a few hundred trucks and probably 10K people. Now that's nothing to sneeze at but when the leaders and organizers are saying with a straight face 50000 TRUCKS! 16000 MORE FROM CALIFORNIA! 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE, it immediately becomes hard to take seriously.

Another reason is the mixed messaging on what this is actually about. Initially it was said to be about the cross border trucker vaccine mandates that both Canada and the USA have implemented. Very quickly though they tried to shift the message (or other groups got involved and shifted the message) to a much more general "No more mandates", "No forced vaccinations" etc type rally.

That again, would be fine except those mandates and vaccination policies are all implemented at a Provincial level and not a Federal level. So if that is indeed the case, the rally should be taking part at the head of provincial parliament in any given province (i.e. Queens Park in Toronto) not in Ottawa. It becomes more difficult though because that provincial government in Ontario, Alberta, many provinces... is Conservative not Liberal.

In the end, the people protesting here are all the same people who fly "#### Trudeau" flags and that's really what it's about more than anything. It's people who are upset and want to vent (and party, there's a ton of that going on too). Add in all the Swastikas, the Confederate Flags (Maybe in the USA you can maybe debate its meaning but if you're waving that thing in Canada there is only one reaction you're trying to get), the pissing on war monuments, defacing statues etc... and yet they still wonder why they're not taken seriously. 

In terms of media coverage, it was basically wall to wall coverage up here all weekend - way more than was justified for what it ACTUALLY was.

 
No one from the protests is defacing property or flying Nazi or Confederate flags. The protestors a clearly call out these individuals. This is a Canadian protest. Very peaceful very friendly. Police are polite and people are polite. Only those that want the mandates to continue are desperate to paint this as another 1/6. 

 
tymarsas said:
Seem like reasonable people. Disrespecting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Taking food from a soup kitchen and harassing the volunteers.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/top-canadian-defence-officials-condemn-protesters-dancing-on-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-1.5760168

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581382/ottawa-police-investigations-trucker-rally/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8581568/ottawa-shepherds-of-good-hope-truck-convoy-protesters/

ETA: Whatever point they have is lost in their garbage behavior.
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Insein said:
Video: Fully Masked Lone Individual with Confederate flag told to leave by protestors
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@tymarsas  Thoughts?  It appears you (via the MSM) and I (via your post) have been led to believe something that isn't true.

 
Insein said:
No one from the protests is defacing property or flying Nazi or Confederate flags. The protestors a clearly call out these individuals. This is a Canadian protest. Very peaceful very friendly. Police are polite and people are polite. Only those that want the mandates to continue are desperate to paint this as another 1/6. 
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The guy with the Swastika drawn on the Canadian flag is very clearly part of the protests, even if you want to say the group in the top is more fringe/extreme

 
BladeRunner said:
@tymarsas  Thoughts?  It appears you (via the MSM) and I (via your post) have been led to believe something that isn't true.
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I'm happy that some of the protestors are pushing back against the people acting in bad faith. I would like to see the leaders of the protests calling this out more. This video does not disprove the fact that some of the protestors have been vandalizing memorials and abusing soup kitchen staff.

The problem with this protest is that there is no cohesive cause. Some of them are there to protest vaccine mandates, but some of them are there because they hate Trudeau and want to arrest him. There are certainly quite a few bad apples in this bunch. Even if I concede that some of them are plants, there is a lot of real anger and violence directed at Trudeau and it is likely some of these people joined the convey/protest.

Examples:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56354775

https://globalnews.ca/news/8172664/national-security-attack-trudeau-future/

 
Insein said:
No one from the protests is defacing property or flying Nazi or Confederate flags. The protestors a clearly call out these individuals. This is a Canadian protest. Very peaceful very friendly. Police are polite and people are polite. Only those that want the mandates to continue are desperate to paint this as another 1/6. 
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The problem with this protest is that it started as a protest by the truckers against the new rules about needing to be double vaxxed to get into Canada from the US (even though the US demands the same).  It was taken over by the Conservative entity that wants every single mandate lifted (even though that is done on the provincial level).  It has the support of around 10-15% of the people in Canada that are against all things Covid.

 
Insein said:
Surprised there was no thread yet. 

Huge convoy travelling to Ottawa from both sides of Canada since last week. It arrived on Saturday. They are demanding an end to all Covid mandates in Canada. 

Meanwhile in response, Justin Trudeau has allegedly left the country for "security reasons". 

Not much mainstream coverage but plenty on Twitter. 
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I support their decisions to do that but ... Canadians don't value their freedom much like citizens of the USA do .... they kinda have the bed they made and now they don't want to lay in it ....

 
Rockchild said:
Please don't tell us we don't value our freedom. You don't have a monopoly on freedom.
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not a monopoly - a Constitution that grants us far more freedoms that Canadians never got/fought for/achieved etc

that's not a knock so much as a statement - Canadians don't have the same freedoms we do, they've been very comfortable with that for the most part right ?

 
Stealthycat said:
not a monopoly - a Constitution that grants us far more freedoms that Canadians never got/fought for/achieved etc

that's not a knock so much as a statement - Canadians don't have the same freedoms we do, they've been very comfortable with that for the most part right ?
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Especially Freedom of Speech.  Lots and lots of supposedly "free" countries don't have Freedom of Speech.  In fact, I'm not sure anyone besides the US has it.

 
BladeRunner said:
Especially Freedom of Speech.  Lots and lots of supposedly "free" countries don't have Freedom of Speech.  In fact, I'm not sure anyone besides the US has it.
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What do you think differentiates freedom of speech in the US as compared to a European country or Canada?  Are you talking about restrictions on Hate speech?

 
Chaz McNulty said:
What do you think differentiates freedom of speech in the US as compared to a European country or Canada?  Are you talking about restrictions on Hate speech?
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Oh, for sure. Who gets to determine what "hate" speech is?  That's the whole point, my friend.  That's not freedom.  That's the inroads to tyranny.

I mean, you guys consider "hate" speech when someone doesn't use a gender pronoun.   How absurd is that?

 
Stealthycat said:
not a monopoly - a Constitution that grants us far more freedoms that Canadians never got/fought for/achieved etc

that's not a knock so much as a statement - Canadians don't have the same freedoms we do, they've been very comfortable with that for the most part right ?
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And we have a Charter of Rights. Our freedoms are just as valid. You prefer yours and we prefer ours. I would never question your valuing of your freedoms and ask the same of you. 

 
Stealthycat said:
not a monopoly - a Constitution that grants us far more freedoms that Canadians never got/fought for/achieved etc

that's not a knock so much as a statement - Canadians don't have the same freedoms we do, they've been very comfortable with that for the most part right ?
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not worth the back and forth it will cause

 
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A group of thousands travelled, in some cases literally across the country to piss on the parliament buildings, protest science, throw rocks at paramedics, repeatedly shout "#### Trudeau", clog traffic, record hate filled videos and such - and they're still allowed to stay there and we're questioning freedoms? Once again, hilarious. 

Sure, Canada has more covid restrictions than the United States. It also has 3x fewer deaths per capita. Most Canadians don't value personal freedom over all else (like say the health of others) - I would say that is true - and also something I'm kind of proud of. 

 
Babylon Bee - Satire

OTTAWA—Socialists around the world are condemning the trucker freedom protest in Canada as the working class unites to defend their human rights. 

"When workers of the world unite against overbearing government mandates, that's literal fascism," said a sobbing socialist Prime Minister Justin Trudeau from deep within his top-secret bunker underneath Washington, D.C. "True, compassionate socialism is when the government partners with private corporations to force experimental drugs on the populace and threaten their very livelihoods if they don't. Everyone knows that."

 
BladeRunner said:
 mean, you guys consider "hate" speech when someone doesn't use a gender pronoun.   How absurd is that?
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Not true, for those keeping score at home. 

It is considered hate speech to target someone for genocide or publicly incite violence or hatred against a person based on their gender identity or expression in Canada though. 

 
tymarsas said:
Sounds like he is lining up a run at the Conservative leadership after O'Toole gets turfed.
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We need Harper back.  Fiscally Conservative but didn't placate to the fringes (religious and nationalists).  I am hoping that the newly formed Peoples Party of Canada will take all the extreme right crazies, and the Conservatives will float back to being Progressive Conservatives and start to dominate the middle.

 
Chaz McNulty said:
We need Harper back.  Fiscally Conservative but didn't placate to the fringes (religious and nationalists).  I am hoping that the newly formed Peoples Party of Canada will take all the extreme right crazies, and the Conservatives will float back to being Progressive Conservatives and start to dominate the middle.
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harper was the last conservative i voted for 
I preferred him when he had a minority , once he got the majority , the religious members of the party got to much say and power in my opinion 
Bernier can have all the crazies on the right 
I see O'Toole is forced to have a leadership review because of a party revolt    

 
waiver wire said:
harper was the last conservative i voted for 
I preferred him when he had a minority , once he got the majority , the religious members of the party got to much say and power in my opinion 
Bernier can have all the crazies on the right 
I see O'Toole is forced to have a leadership review because of a party revolt    
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Yep.  They have trouble getting moderates because many of the party members insist on more Conservative values.  I couldn't vote for them last time because the MLA from my riding was a proponent of Conversion therapy.  

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Yep.  They have trouble getting moderates because many of the party members insist on more Conservative values.  I couldn't vote for them last time because the MLA from my riding was a proponent of Conversion therapy.  
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yep thats why they lost my vote for the foreseeable future , i am not a fan of social policies 
Btw are you in the lower mainland as thats where many of the cons held that view  

 
Rockchild said:
And we have a Charter of Rights. Our freedoms are just as valid. You prefer yours and we prefer ours. I would never question your valuing of your freedoms and ask the same of you. 
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truckers all across Canada don't seem to prefer - do they ?

"The drivers oppose a recent vaccine mandate requiring truckers entering Canada to be fully vaccinated or face testing and quarantine requirements."

yes - I question that mandate and I questioned Biden doing similar in the USA and the courts here smacked Biden down on it as well. Do you think Canadian courts will rule with citizens rights/freedoms or the Government in Canada ?

 
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