Which team would score more? (1 Viewer)

[Yankee23Fan]

If pitchers have to hit, just have them take every pitch. IMO, still a 50%-60% chance of getting a walk. I think people are underestimating how difficult it is to get the ball over the plate with a legit strike zone.

I hate adding rules to these things.... but

The actual real rulebook strike zone is bigger than they enforce right now.  If they called the true strikezone, it's much easier to throw a strike.

 

[El Floppo]

Yeah the home run derby argument is irrelevant.  If the hitters know that the only objective is to not make outs, they'll pop line drives and hard grounders past the infielders until everyone falls asleep.

This is assuming that whichever nhl'er is on the mound can get his 65 mph'er meatball in the strike zone 3 out of 7 times, which I think is unlikely

I think batting practice is more representative than HRderby and MLB players don't drive every pitch perfectly. There will be enough pop ups and grounders to get the outs in between all the tubs that will get scored. I don't see a problem with an NHL guy throwing the ball consistently over the plate. That's less of an issue, imo, than MLB guys being able to skate.

 

[Thunderlips]

What's "occasional"? Once an inning? While the rest of the team batted around 28 times?

And "groundout" to who? No one on the left side of the infield has a prayer of throwing out a major league player at first, even if he was lucky enough to catch the ball. 

Come on.  There's a plethora of MLB players who run like they have a piano on their back.  

 

[Thunderlips]

Not to mention baseball is known for retaliation. Think they forget all those slap shots hurled at them? Stand in the box against an MLB pitcher throwing 90+. And knowing they're going to score at will, doubt they mind a few runs scored from some bean balls.

They don't need to score.  The NHL players could bail out on every pitch and the parameters of the poll wouldn't change. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Are NHL rules in play for when they play hockey?  And then MLB rules for the baseball game.

If so baseball wins easy if they are willing to exploit NHL rule 66.

 

[jabarony]

What's "occasional"? Once an inning? While the rest of the team batted around 28 times?

And "groundout" to who? No one on the left side of the infield has a prayer of throwing out a major league player at first, even if he was lucky enough to catch the ball. 

Victor Martinez?

 

[cockroach]

Hardest part might be keeping the baseball players interested.  It's not really much fun being on either side of a blowout in baseball.  Most people just want to get out of there after it gets to a certain point.  Running the bases that much would be tiring.  There would have to be major incentive ($) to keep going and going.

I think it would be easier for the baseball guys to keep the pedal to the metal and stick to the strategy more than the hockey players.  Just by the pace of the game alone. Hockey guys won't be able to keep interested enough to keep up a goal/:30 sec pace... they'll be skating around dekeing and goofing around midway through the first period.  

 

[gianmarco]

I think batting practice is more representative than HRderby and MLB players don't drive every pitch perfectly. There will be enough pop ups and grounders to get the outs in between all the tubs that will get scored. I don't see a problem with an NHL guy throwing the ball consistently over the plate. That's less of an issue, imo, than MLB guys being able to skate.

These guys will run out almost every ground ball against the hockey players.  The only shot they have really is at 2nd and 3rd, but I think most everyone is going to steal bases and end up on 3rd anyway so you'd rarely see that situation even arise. 

 

[El Floppo]

These guys will run out almost every ground ball against the hockey players.  The only shot they have really is at 2nd and 3rd, but I think most everyone is going to steal bases and end up on 3rd anyway so you'd rarely see that situation even arise. 

I don't disagree.

But I think NHLs best defense is to load the bases and hope for force outs

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't disagree.

But I think NHLs best defense is to load the bases and hope for force outs

If that's their best defense, my estimate on how many runs the MLB team would score is way low. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Are NHL rules in play for when they play hockey?  And then MLB rules for the baseball game.

If so baseball wins easy if they are willing to exploit NHL rule 66.

Sorry - would not work.

Should the offending club persist in its refusal to come into compliance, the Referee shall, with the prior approval of the Commissioner or his designee, declare the game forfeited and the non-offending Club the winner.

No way the NHL commissioner or his designee allow the baseball team to forfeit.  Get back on the ice you pansies

 

[Sinn Fein]

On the contrary - MLB rule 7.03 provides:

(a) A game may be forfeited to the opposing team when a team: (1) Fails to appear upon the field, or being upon the field, refuses to start play within five minutes after the umpire-in-chief has called “Play” at the appointed hour for beginning the game, unless such delayed appearance is, in the umpire-in-chief’s judgment, unavoidable;

the score would be 9-0 MLB.

Hockey team wins easily.

 

[Riversco]

How long do they get to practice?  I bet a baseball team can learn to get around on skates a lot more quickly than hockey players learn how to hit

 

[Pipes]

How long do they get to practice?  I bet a baseball team can learn to get around on skates a lot more quickly than hockey players learn how to hit

They wouldn't get enough practice in to make a difference against NHLers just like the hockey guys would never learn to hit.  If there is practice allowed the hockey players should spend all their time on fielding.

 

[TheAristocrat]

I read about two of the last five posts and think this thread needs to be updated to the OFFICIAL Concussion Protocol Thread.

 

[RokNRole]

How long do they get to practice?  I bet a baseball team can learn to get around on skates a lot more quickly than hockey players learn how to hit

Hitting is easy

You just look at it and swing

 

[gianmarco]

I don't disagree.

But I think NHLs best defense is to load the bases and hope for force outs

That doesn't even seem to work for some MLB teams right now.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Doubt a hockey player can hit a ball from a major-league pitcher.  Baseball players have a hard enough time doing it and they are paid to do so.

This.

Tiebreaker if needed is that one thing is a round sphere and the other shaped like a ding-dong. More lucky bounces from the ding-dong.

 

[El Floppo]

That doesn't even seem to work for some MLB teams right now.

speaking of right now, timely reply there.

 

[gianmarco]

I still don't think this would be close.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I still don't think this would be close.

It wouldn't...hockey would score a lot more goals than the baseball team would score runs.

If you want to make it close - change the rules, so that the Baseball team can use 9 players on the ice at a time, but the Hockey team can only use 6 players on the baseball field.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not to mention baseball is known for retaliation. Think they forget all those slap shots hurled at them? Stand in the box against an MLB pitcher throwing 90+. And knowing they're going to score at will, doubt they mind a few runs scored from some bean balls.

The question is which team "scores more" - it doesn't matter that the hockey players could not hit.

 

[rockaction]

Interesting poll. The hockey players at school could play a little ball, so I'd go hockey, but Tom Glavine might disagree. Just not a whole ton of reciprocity between the sports. I think in a sport where it's important to have a fundamental skill, like skating, that they'd be better off in the fight.  

 

[Niles Standish]

There are a lot of DH v. Pitcher hitting questions.  I think that would be irrelevant.  Assuming we're talking a regular baseball team they probably have 9 pitchers.  Why wouldn't they pitch one inning with each pitcher and then put in a pinch hitter?  I assume most baseball teams have 9 pitchers that can get through an inning against non professional hitters.  That's assuming they have enough pinch hitters on roster.  Aren't baseball teams 25 players?  9 pitchers, 16 hitters.  8 are pinch hitters.  I think that works out perfectly considering the baseball team only has 8 innings on offense since they are the home team and probably will be in the lead.

 

[Dedfin]

ITS A TRAP

 

[AAABatteries]

It wouldn't...hockey would score a lot more goals than the baseball team would score runs.

If you want to make it close - change the rules, so that the Baseball team can use 9 players on the ice at a time, but the Hockey team can only use 6 players on the baseball field.

There’s a few reasons I think you’re wrong:

- limited time in the hockey game - baseball players would just waste as much time as possible and put 6 guys in front of goal 

- even if the hockey team had 1-2 guys that could pitch they would probably walk 80-90% of the players, wouldn’t strike anybody out and by the fifth inning the hockey team would have nobody that could throw a strike, game would never end

- you’re a moron

 

[gianmarco]

It wouldn't...hockey would score a lot more goals than the baseball team would score runs.

If you want to make it close - change the rules, so that the Baseball team can use 9 players on the ice at a time, but the Hockey team can only use 6 players on the baseball field.

How many goals do you think the hockey team would score over 3 periods?

How many runs do you think the baseball team would score per inning?

 

[Man In The Box]

I think the baseball players would score more runs since there is no time limit. Even if they only hit in 8 innings (they are home). But there's no question which team would be in worse shape the next day. I would be worried about the baseball players getting permanently injured to be honest. Knowing how to skate is one thing. Knowing how to take a body check from an NHL player is another.

 

[Man In The Box]

Also, this would be one long ### baseball game. How long would the half inning where the MLB players are hitting take? 2 hours each?

 

[Sinn Fein]

How many goals do you think the hockey team would score over 3 periods?

How many runs do you think the baseball team would score per inning?

I think hockey scores 30 goals per period - a goal every 40 seconds.

I think baseball scores an average of 7 runs per inning - 63 total runs.

 

[gianmarco]

I think hockey scores 30 goals per period - a goal every 40 seconds.

I think baseball scores an average of 7 homeruns per inning - 63 total homeruns.

FYP

 

[jwb]

I think hockey scores 30 goals per period - a goal every 40 seconds.

I think baseball scores an average of 7 runs per inning - 63 total runs.

Your first one is probably realistic. That would be 90 goals in the game. Even going a bit higher - give em' 115.

I think the baseball team scores more runs. I think 7 runs will be your absolute minimum in an inning - you might have some 20-30 run innings. 

The thing with baseball defense is everyone has to know what to do on every play. Does the second baseman cover second on a ball hit to third? There are a lot of moving parts to most defensive plays. Even judging a fly ball isn't easy. 

 

[gianmarco]

Your first one is probably realistic. That would be 90 goals in the game. Even going a bit higher - give em' 115.

I think the baseball team scores more runs. I think 7 runs will be your absolute minimum in an inning - you might have some 20-30 run innings. 

The thing with baseball defense is everyone has to know what to do on every play. Does the second baseman cover second on a ball hit to third? There are a lot of moving parts to most defensive plays. Even judging a fly ball isn't easy. 

This.  Playing softball, seeing a 10 run inning against a bad team isn't that uncommon and that's on a much smaller field. 

 

[maxwelledison]

The absolute longest it would take between goals is around 10 seconds. MLB guys would be so useless that they may as well not even be out there. Those of you that think mlb players would be able to skate with a decent bantam team, let alone nhl players, just don’t know of what you speak. 

 

[jwb]

The absolute longest it would take between goals is around 10 seconds. MLB guys would be so useless that they may as well not even be out there. Those of you that think mlb players would be able to skate with a decent bantam team, let alone nhl players, just don’t know of what you speak. 

I doubt highly if they put a few guys around the net that ten seconds is all it would take for every goal. But even if it took less than the 40 the other guy said, the clock is still not the hockey team's friend. They will score plenty, that's for certain. But the game will end. 

The hockey team has to earn 27 outs. Earn them. 

The baseball team is going to score hundreds of runs. There's no time limit. Think of the worst beating you've ever seen a MLB pitcher take. That's going to be light years better than the hockey player's best pitcher - it only goes downhill from there. 

 

[[scooter]]

The baseball players would score at least 5 runs every inning. The hockey players might score 2-3 total runs but that's it.

So, give the baseball players a 45 point lead going into the hockey game.

Can a hockey team score 45 goals in 60 minutes? One goal every 80 seconds? I just don't see that happening. The baseball players would surround the net and/or get the puck against the wall and surround it there. Maybe the goalie would get lucky a couple times and catch a puck.

edit: and I'm being generous to the hockey team when I predict 5 runs per inning. 

 

[Guest]

When picking teams, do you take baseball players that also played hockey when they were younger, and hockey players that played baseball when they were younger?  Or go with all-stars in each sport?

 

[DaVinci]

The baseball players would score at least 5 runs every inning. The hockey players might score 2-3 total runs but that's it.

So, give the baseball players a 45 point lead going into the hockey game.

Can a hockey team score 45 goals in 60 minutes? One goal every 80 seconds? I just don't see that happening. The baseball players would surround the net and/or get the puck against the wall and surround it there. Maybe the goalie would get lucky a couple times and catch a puck.

edit: and I'm being generous to the hockey team when I predict 5 runs per inning. 

The hockey pitchers will walk in at least 5 runs an inning.

 

[Man In The Box]

The MLB team would be really upset if they only scored 5 runs in an inning. They would have 5 on the board every inning before an out was even recorded. 

 

[Guest]

The hockey pitchers will walk in at least 5 runs an inning.

Almost all of their balls would be crushed, but why do people think they are incapable of throwing strikes?

 

[Sinn Fein]

You guys are crazy thinking NHLers could not pitch a strike:

Anders Lee - New York Islanders: In 2009, he was an All-State quarterback at Edina High School in Minnesota, and the year prior was an All-State pitcher for the school's baseball team.

Jarome Iginla - Colorado Avalanche: However, there was a time Iginla also excelled at baseball, a sport he loved growing up. He had brief stints as pitcher and shortstop

Jamie Benn - Dallas Stars: Benn, similar to Iginla, was a very talented baseball player. He played first base, outfield, and occasionally pitched. In 2006, he was named MVP of the provincial AAA champion Victoria Capitals.

These are not MLB-caliber players - but they can throw strikes from a mound.  This would not be a walk-fest...

bump - for those thinking NHL players cant throw a ball over a plate...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The hockey pitchers will walk in at least 5 runs an inning.

You have to understand how hard it is to throw a hockey puck for a strike.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Its far more likely that the NHL can field a team of players who also grew up playing baseball - and are thus not completely inadequate as fielders or pitchers - than it is for MLB to field a team of players who can actually skate, let alone play hockey.

There is no chance a NHL team can beat a MLB team in a game of baseball - but the NHL players are elite athletes who understand the fundamentals of the sport.  MLB players would hit enough pop-ups and fly outs to keep the score reasonable.

 

[Man In The Box]

  MLB players would hit enough pop-ups and fly outs to keep the score reasonable.

I think this is a the biggest incorrect assumption  in this whole hypothetical situation. How many runs do you think the Red Sox score off of Anders Lee? A guy who hasn’t pitched competitively since high school? Do you think he gets through an inning without giving up 15 runs? I don’t. And he’s the best NHL pitcher. It would only get worse from there. I also think that people are underestimating how much of a factor time is. No clock in baseball is the biggest factor IMO  

I think the NHL team would score upwards of 100 goals in the hockey game. The MLB team would score much more than that if they wanted to. They’d score 20+ per inning. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Baseball team.  Hockey has a time limit; baseball doesn't.

Bingo.

 

[AAABatteries]

There’s lots of major league pitchers who can’t throw strikes consistently - you really expect a hockey player who hasn’t played in probably years to come out and throw strikes?  Even if they get lucky and only give up 5 runs in the 1st there’s a great chance that you get to a point somewhere in the middle innings where you may not record another out 

 

[DaVinci]

Almost all of their balls would be crushed, but why do people think they are incapable of throwing strikes?

They aren't incapable of throwing strikes. They aren't capable of throwing strikes with enough consistency to strike a professional player out.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Yeah - you guys are right - MLB players will hit every single ball square, and spray line drives around the park all day long, and never get tired.  Just like batting practice, or HR derbys - Its amazing that the HR derby from 2004 is still going on...

 

[Guest]

There’s lots of major league pitchers who can’t throw strikes consistently - you really expect a hockey player who hasn’t played in probably years to come out and throw strikes?  Even if they get lucky and only give up 5 runs in the 1st there’s a great chance that you get to a point somewhere in the middle innings where you may not record another out 

Those MLB pitchers are trying to get strikeouts and paint corners.  The hockey pitchers would have to throw BP strikes and hope they get enough pop-outs.  If the MLBers would be content hitting liners instead of HRs, their half of the inning might never end.  They don't hit every ball out in the HR derby.

 

[Guest]

They aren't incapable of throwing strikes. They aren't capable of throwing strikes with enough consistency to strike a professional player out.

They shouldn't try to strike anyone out.