WR CeeDee Lamb, DAL (2 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Players deserve to be protected for injury.

No. Injury is very unfortunate but no one is inherently entitled to be financially protected from injury.

Federal and state governments disagree.

 

[menobrown]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

It’s really not that much guaranteed up front. Like Amon Ra’s deal was for an average of 30 mill a year. Only 34 is guaranteed though. So yes the team is risking a lot up front but if Amon Ra gets hurt or decides he doesn’t want hard anymore, he’s going to lose out on the other 70 million of this contract plus lord knows how much his deal could be worth. The players in these scenarios stand to lose way way more from decline in performance.

I don't really agree it's not true and you are citing just one contract as an example.

 

[menobrown]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

Players deserve to be protected for injury. As far as stinking, it all depends on the player but it's safe to say CeeDee doesn't stink. Does he go full Albert Haynesworth, or Bobby Bonilla, after he gets paid? Well, how well would that same player perform if he's bitter because he didn't get paid? If he balls out he gets tagged the following year, so maybe he pulls a T.O.. Too many variables. Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

They can purchase insurance.

 

[eighsse2]

Players deserve to be protected for injury.

No. Injury is very unfortunate but no one is inherently entitled to be financially protected from injury.

Federal and state governments disagree.

Yep. People who collect a trillion dollars a year from others come up with a lot of "interesting" ideas. Anyway, topic for another time and place ...

 

[Chaka]

Players deserve to be protected for injury.

No. Injury is very unfortunate but no one is inherently entitled to be financially protected from injury.

Federal and state governments disagree.

Yep. People who collect a trillion dollars a year from others come up with a lot of "interesting" ideas. Anyway, topic for another time and place ...

No, we don't need another time or place. That's a terrible take and I think you know it.

 

[Chaka]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

Players deserve to be protected for injury. As far as stinking, it all depends on the player but it's safe to say CeeDee doesn't stink. Does he go full Albert Haynesworth, or Bobby Bonilla, after he gets paid? Well, how well would that same player perform if he's bitter because he didn't get paid? If he balls out he gets tagged the following year, so maybe he pulls a T.O.. Too many variables. Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

They can purchase insurance.

So can employers.

 

[menobrown]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

Players deserve to be protected for injury. As far as stinking, it all depends on the player but it's safe to say CeeDee doesn't stink. Does he go full Albert Haynesworth, or Bobby Bonilla, after he gets paid? Well, how well would that same player perform if he's bitter because he didn't get paid? If he balls out he gets tagged the following year, so maybe he pulls a T.O.. Too many variables. Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

They can purchase insurance.

So can employers.

Several holes in that theory starting with insurance does not cover cap charges to players who don't perform to their contract.

 

[Chaka]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

Players deserve to be protected for injury. As far as stinking, it all depends on the player but it's safe to say CeeDee doesn't stink. Does he go full Albert Haynesworth, or Bobby Bonilla, after he gets paid? Well, how well would that same player perform if he's bitter because he didn't get paid? If he balls out he gets tagged the following year, so maybe he pulls a T.O.. Too many variables. Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

They can purchase insurance.

So can employers.

Several holes in that theory starting with insurance does not cover cap charges to players who don't perform to their contract.

Not performing to expectations is always a possibility. Should players not have similar concerns when teams don't spend to the cap maximum? We all want the most money possible but winning also has real world monetary value. The Travis Kelce's of the world gets a lot more endorsements than the Mark Andrews' or the Sam LaPorta's of the world.

 

[joey]

nevermind. I don't want in on this argument

I just want Lamb starting week 1 and a top performer this year.

 

[dblock05]

Does CeeDee have any urgency to get it done?

Kind of. If his knee gets shredded Javonte Williams style then he’s going to lose out on millions and millions of dollars.

Point being, Jerry Jones has no obligation to have "urgency". Lamb signed a contract saying he would work this year.

Sure and Lamb has no obligation to return to the team next year. I’m sure the Giants or Commanders would love to pay him. This isn’t like a contract you signed with your lawn care company. He’s trying to make a deal with the cornerstone of the team.

And next year doesn't start until next year. This is this year. Nothing needs to be done.

Sure but angering and alienating one of your 3 best and most popular players is a stupid way to run a team. But sure he doesn’t have to do anything.

Could you not also say angering and alienating the organization that pays your bills and has already set you up to retire beyond luxury today at 25 if you wanted is a stupid way to run a life?

Not really even trying to take sides, but I don't get why the perception is always that the owners are the ones making the negotiations difficult.

Because this is how most of the rest of the league operates with marquee players- they sign them before their contract runs out. It’s good for the team because the club gets them cheaper the earlier they do it. The price is only going up. It’s also good for the team because it prevents another team from stealing them away. It’s good for the player because they get the protection in case there is a catastrophic injury. Sure the Cowboys have paid him well but so would 31 other NFL teams. He was a coveted 1st round pick who has lived up to the hype. Every team in the league wants him. He’s not some UDFA Dallas saved from the XFL. He’s making them a lot of money. It’s a mutually beneficial arrangement but obviously Dallas is choosing to handle their players different than most every team. You have to imagine Dak and Micah are looking at this situation shaking their heads as well.

But also part of that equation is when teams sign players to long term deals they guarantee a large amount up front. If the player stinks, fails to perform, gets hurt, the team still owes those guarantees. It's a one sided risk. This risk is enahanced when you are signing players before their contracts run out.

It’s really not that much guaranteed up front. Like Amon Ra’s deal was for an average of 30 mill a year. Only 34 is guaranteed though. So yes the team is risking a lot up front but if Amon Ra gets hurt or decides he doesn’t want hard anymore, he’s going to lose out on the other 70 million of this contract plus lord knows how much his deal could be worth. The players in these scenarios stand to lose way way more from decline in performance.

I just want to point out that ASB has 70 mil + that is guaranteed for injury. He got low 30s as a signing bonus but I believe it’s basically impossible for him to not see over 70 mil in his contract

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

 

[Grahamburn]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

He’s had these guys for “cheap” the last few years and has nothing but early playoff exit disappointment to show for it.

Maybe Jerry is sick of paying these guys top dollar to gag in the postseason?

 

[Joe Bryant]

My guy Rickey.

Obviously, unconfirmed. But interesting.

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As the NFL world waits on the Brandon Aiyuk situation, Rickey can confirm the Cowboys have offered CeeDee Lamb a four year contract worth $33.5 million per year. I would be surprised if this isn't resolved soon.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My guy Rickey.

Obviously, unconfirmed. But interesting.

x.com

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As the NFL world waits on the Brandon Aiyuk situation, Rickey can confirm the Cowboys have offered CeeDee Lamb a four year contract worth $33.5 million per year. I would be surprised if this isn't resolved soon.

Your boy Ricky must’ve been reading this:

NFL insider delivers update on CeeDee Lamb contract negotiations

Will it be just a matter of time before CeeDee Lamb is offered the deal he has been looking for?

www.si.com

 

[Jamesinaz]

Pardon my ignorance as I am not up to speed on contractual obligations in the NFL. Regarding Lamb, is he under any contractual obligation to play this year if he doesn't get an extension or whatever? What consequences does he face sitting out actual games? Again sorry for the ignorance I'm just prepping for my draft and wonder if he will be there day 1.

 

[phandango]

Pardon my ignorance as I am not up to speed on contractual obligations in the NFL. Regarding Lamb, is he under any contractual obligation to play this year if he doesn't get an extension or whatever? What consequences does he face sitting out actual games? Again sorry for the ignorance I'm just prepping for my draft and wonder if he will be there day 1.

The Cowboys exercised Lamb's fifth-year option for this season, so he is under contract. Conventional wisdom says he'll almost definitely report before the season starts because there's no way he'll miss actual game checks. But he'll likely get his extension before then.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Pardon my ignorance as I am not up to speed on contractual obligations in the NFL. Regarding Lamb, is he under any contractual obligation to play this year if he doesn't get an extension or whatever? What consequences does he face sitting out actual games? Again sorry for the ignorance I'm just prepping for my draft and wonder if he will be there day 1.

The Cowboys exercised Lamb's fifth-year option for this season, so he is under contract. Conventional wisdom says he'll almost definitely report before the season starts because there's no way he'll miss actual game checks. But he'll likely get his extension before then.

This is how I expect it to go as well. Will be interesting to see on the extension.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

 

[Terpman22]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

I'm with this.

I'd like to know what your projection for CD is this year - pretty basic just will he meet his stats of last year or surpass them, or more a regression to the mean (not all the way though)

I could see him having a really great year with a really high floor, something along the lines of 115/1600/11, but still not what he did last year which will be tough to match.

 

[Chaka]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

I agree. The best part is they pretty much end up negotiating very team unfriendly contracts.

With marquee players in today's NFL, it's far better to be the team to set the market then the last team to the table.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

I agree. The best part is they pretty much end up negotiating very team unfriendly contracts.

With marquee players in today's NFL, it's far better to be the team to set the market then the last team to the table.

A lesson the 49ers and Cowboys seem to refuse to learn.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It seems pretty Ricky is getting called out for deleting a previous Ceedee lamb prediction post.

I guess if you make 100 guesses and get one right and then delete the other 99 you look like a genius.

Is Brandon Aiyuk a Steeler yet? I’ve lost track.

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[Chaka]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

I agree. The best part is they pretty much end up negotiating very team unfriendly contracts.

With marquee players in today's NFL, it's far better to be the team to set the market then the last team to the table.

A lesson the 49ers and Cowboys seem to refuse to learn.

Jerruh knows how to print money with the best of them but when it comes to negotiating contracts he ain't as smart as he believes he is. He does it so poorly one can question whether he is smart at all.

While we're spending time wondering about CeeDee's contract Jerruh should be smashing "Auto Accept" on whatever contract Parsons's camp is asking for. I don't know much about reading the cap and dead money but, I believe that unless they extend Dak they're going to have a hard time signing anyone.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

I agree. The best part is they pretty much end up negotiating very team unfriendly contracts.

With marquee players in today's NFL, it's far better to be the team to set the market then the last team to the table.

A lesson the 49ers and Cowboys seem to refuse to learn.

Jerruh knows how to print money with the best of them but when it comes to negotiating contracts he ain't as smart as he believes he is. He does it so poorly one can question whether he is smart at all.

While we're spending time wondering about CeeDee's contract Jerruh should be smashing "Auto Accept" on whatever contract Parsons's camp is asking for. I don't know much about reading the cap and dead money but, I believe that unless they extend Dak they're going to have a hard time signing anyone.

I agree with this. Jerruh knows how to make money and promote the team. They’ve also drafted extremely well the past- what, 5-7 years?

But managing the cap and re-signing star players is the Achilles heel. They’ll pay for it and drop off significantly from having Dak, Micah and CeeDee all looking for new deals that should’ve been taken care of earlier.

 

[Chaka]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

 

[joey]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

One year of big $ savings to spend elsewhere while the certain player in question is still on their cheap rookie deal.

 

[eighsse2]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

One year of big $ savings to spend elsewhere while the certain player in question is still on their cheap rookie deal.

Additionally I think there is always that risk that one of a number of disasters may occur. You wouldn't sign a contract for a house that's five times your net worth and then just not insure the house, that's a ridiculous risk. If you're offering any substantial guaranteed money, your investment is not insured. So one of the "pros" to not extending is simply avoiding disastrous risk. Disclaimer: I am not a contract doctor.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

One year of big $ savings to spend elsewhere while the certain player in question is still on their cheap rookie deal.

I think if the risk of injury and diminished play were lower, then it probably would make sense, but I agree that the potential benefits probably do not justify the risk in almost every situation. I would be curious to know the specifics of how that trade off is determined. But you are probably right that the surplus value of a star on a rookie deal is just too valuable.

 

[Chaka]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

One year of big $ savings to spend elsewhere while the certain player in question is still on their cheap rookie deal.

I think if the risk of injury and diminished play were lower, then it probably would make sense, but I agree that the potential benefits probably do not justify the risk in almost every situation. I would be curious to know the specifics of how that trade off is determined. But you are probably right that the surplus value of a star on a rookie deal is just too valuable.

Yeah, signing an extension after year three is definitely rare. But I look at the Lions signing both ARSB & Sewell after year three and I wonder if they maybe see a calculus where the long term benefit outweighs the short term risk.

The Jags did it with Lawrence & Campbell
The Packers did it with Love
The Bucs did it with Wirfs
The Pats did it with Baramore

IDK it's probably math.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Nothing to add, except, I love watching Jerruh play “Jerruh shenanigans” and alienate his top 3 players.

I miss Dan Snyder, but Jerruh is gold, baby

I mean the Cowboys do this and have done this every year for decades. They routinely wait until the last minute to sign everyone because it’s how they like to negotiate, under pressure and up against the clock. I’m not suggesting it right or wrong but it’s par for the course.

Good info here

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Jags did it with Lawrence & Campbell
The Packers did it with Love
The Bucs did it with Wirfs
The Pats did it with Baramore

IDK it's probably math.

Definitely. The calculus probably goes that if you identify talent, the market for that talent is only going to increase. Especially with WR, pass rusher & quarterbacks. A whole lot of people questioned the jaguars for paying Trevor Lawrence… And that gamble might well prove to be a fool’s errand for them. But if they believe he is the future of that franchise, better to pay him today, because the price is only going to go up.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Maybe someone can explain to me the reason more teams don't extend certain players after year three?

I mean, if you have a guy who starts their careers like, say Justin Jefferson or Micah Parsons or CeeDee Lamb what is the downside to extending them after year three? The Packers did it with Love and his track record is significantly shorter than guys like JJ, Parsons & CeeDee.

So, why not?

One year of big $ savings to spend elsewhere while the certain player in question is still on their cheap rookie deal.

I think if the risk of injury and diminished play were lower, then it probably would make sense, but I agree that the potential benefits probably do not justify the risk in almost every situation. I would be curious to know the specifics of how that trade off is determined. But you are probably right that the surplus value of a star on a rookie deal is just too valuable.

Yeah, signing an extension after year three is definitely rare. But I look at the Lions signing both ARSB & Sewell after year three and I wonder if they maybe see a calculus where the long term benefit outweighs the short term risk.

The Jags did it with Lawrence & Campbell
The Packers did it with Love
The Bucs did it with Wirfs
The Pats did it with Baramore

IDK it's probably math.

Wirfs has played 4 years and so has Love.

I think that Lawrence is a little bit of a different situation as a QB who had started three years and could be an interesting benchmark. As long as your starting qb hits a certain threshold, like top half the league, teams now are almost always going to give them the highest contract or close to it. Considering that, it seems like the jags preferred to spread out his money a bit more. With a qb like that, you have a little less injury concern and presumably feel more comfortable making a long term commitment.

Baramore and campbell’s deals might be more of a bellwether, though they were both second round picks, so they didn’t have the uber valuable fifth year options.

 

[Joe Bryant]

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Reports are that the Cowboys are offering CeeDee Lamb “slightly under $33M per season” https://trib.al/qiL4uBM

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Hot take here, but I think Jerry Jones is just kind of being a dickhead. He knows CeeDee Lamb is going to reset the market, but I think he's petty enough to sanction CeeDee for the team's overall lack of playoff production.

Had the Cowboys not been embarrassed by the Packers, there's a good chance that Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb would be signed right now.


Jerry isn't afraid to spend money and as an owner, he's privy to how much the salary cap is going to go up each season.



He just knows the Cowboys are going to be a cash cow whether they go 8-9 or 12-5. What he wants is another Super Bowl before he dies. He's being a stereotypical rich, old guy and I don't blame him.

He doesn't care about the difference of paying CeeDee $35,000,000 versus $40,000,000 a year. That's pennies to a guy who's owned the Cowboys since 1989.

 

[massraider]

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Really interesting point, which I had not considered.

Cowboys have a history of realllly long term deals for some players. Lamb's agent has a history of shorter term deals.

Cowboys could be offering 35 mill a year, but if it's on a 6 or 7 year year extension, that's not the same value as a 3 or 4 year extension.

 

[Grahamburn]

Hot take here, but I think Jerry Jones is just kind of being a dickhead. He knows CeeDee Lamb is going to reset the market, but I think he's petty enough to sanction CeeDee for the team's overall lack of playoff production.

Had the Cowboys not been embarrassed by the Packers, there's a good chance that Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb would be signed right now.


Jerry isn't afraid to spend money and as an owner, he's privy to how much the salary cap is going to go up each season.



He just knows the Cowboys are going to be a cash cow whether they go 8-9 or 12-5. What he wants is another Super Bowl before he dies. He's being a stereotypical rich, old guy and I don't blame him.

He doesn't care about the difference of paying CeeDee $35,000,000 versus $40,000,000 a year. That's pennies to a guy who's owned the Cowboys since 1989.

Being a DH and being a smart GM/businessman can be the same thing. Spending over a third of your cap on two players who haven't managed to get past the divisional round in the playoffs may not be the way he wants to go.

 

[Chaka]

Hot take here, but I think Jerry Jones is just kind of being a dickhead. He knows CeeDee Lamb is going to reset the market, but I think he's petty enough to sanction CeeDee for the team's overall lack of playoff production.

Had the Cowboys not been embarrassed by the Packers, there's a good chance that Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb would be signed right now.


Jerry isn't afraid to spend money and as an owner, he's privy to how much the salary cap is going to go up each season.



He just knows the Cowboys are going to be a cash cow whether they go 8-9 or 12-5. What he wants is another Super Bowl before he dies. He's being a stereotypical rich, old guy and I don't blame him.

He doesn't care about the difference of paying CeeDee $35,000,000 versus $40,000,000 a year. That's pennies to a guy who's owned the Cowboys since 1989.

Being a DH and being a smart GM/businessman can be the same thing. Spending over a third of your cap on two players who haven't managed to get past the divisional round in the playoffs may not be the way he wants to go.

He can be a DH and be dumb a GM too. (GM and businessman are unrelated conditions).

Jerry is notorious for waiting until the 11th hour then negotiating terrible, team unfriendly contracts when he realizes he cares more about putting butts in seats for the upcoming season.

He is good at making money (i.e. smart businessman). He is not good, for the team, at negotiating contracts (i.e. dumb GM).

 

[ffmail4me]

I think Lamb should sit out the entire year. Or at very least, sit out the 2 games vs Washington.

 

[Grahamburn]

Hot take here, but I think Jerry Jones is just kind of being a dickhead. He knows CeeDee Lamb is going to reset the market, but I think he's petty enough to sanction CeeDee for the team's overall lack of playoff production.

Had the Cowboys not been embarrassed by the Packers, there's a good chance that Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb would be signed right now.


Jerry isn't afraid to spend money and as an owner, he's privy to how much the salary cap is going to go up each season.



He just knows the Cowboys are going to be a cash cow whether they go 8-9 or 12-5. What he wants is another Super Bowl before he dies. He's being a stereotypical rich, old guy and I don't blame him.

He doesn't care about the difference of paying CeeDee $35,000,000 versus $40,000,000 a year. That's pennies to a guy who's owned the Cowboys since 1989.

Being a DH and being a smart GM/businessman can be the same thing. Spending over a third of your cap on two players who haven't managed to get past the divisional round in the playoffs may not be the way he wants to go.

He can be a DH and be dumb a GM too. (GM and businessman are unrelated conditions).

Jerry is notorious for waiting until the 11th hour then negotiating terrible, team unfriendly contracts when he realizes he cares more about putting butts in seats for the upcoming season.

He is good at making money (i.e. smart businessman). He is not good, for the team, at negotiating contracts (i.e. dumb GM).

That's my point. Maybe he has learned his lesson? Or, to your point, maybe not and this is just his m.o.

 

[Chaka]

Hot take here, but I think Jerry Jones is just kind of being a dickhead. He knows CeeDee Lamb is going to reset the market, but I think he's petty enough to sanction CeeDee for the team's overall lack of playoff production.

Had the Cowboys not been embarrassed by the Packers, there's a good chance that Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb would be signed right now.


Jerry isn't afraid to spend money and as an owner, he's privy to how much the salary cap is going to go up each season.



He just knows the Cowboys are going to be a cash cow whether they go 8-9 or 12-5. What he wants is another Super Bowl before he dies. He's being a stereotypical rich, old guy and I don't blame him.

He doesn't care about the difference of paying CeeDee $35,000,000 versus $40,000,000 a year. That's pennies to a guy who's owned the Cowboys since 1989.

Being a DH and being a smart GM/businessman can be the same thing. Spending over a third of your cap on two players who haven't managed to get past the divisional round in the playoffs may not be the way he wants to go.

He can be a DH and be dumb a GM too. (GM and businessman are unrelated conditions).

Jerry is notorious for waiting until the 11th hour then negotiating terrible, team unfriendly contracts when he realizes he cares more about putting butts in seats for the upcoming season.

He is good at making money (i.e. smart businessman). He is not good, for the team, at negotiating contracts (i.e. dumb GM).

That's my point. Maybe he has learned his lesson? Or, to your point, maybe not and this is just his m.o.

If he has learned his lesson he's sure making it look like it's same-ol', same-ol'.

 

[Chaka]

Lamb apparently hasn't been seen by the Cowboys since last season ended. No OTAs, no TC, nothing.

He's getting a big downgrade from me at this point. Next year I'll read in Fantasy Football Index how "Over his last six games he averaged 8 catches for 86 yards with 6 scores." and think how awesome he's going to be in 2025, but at this point he's going to start slow and be a liability on fantasy rosters for the first month of the season.

At least Aiyuk and Chase are with the team right now.

ETA: I give a minute amount of wiggle room if he signs today but he's getting downgraded every day going forward. It's be classic Jerruh to wait until September 3rd to get the deal none.

 

[VikingFrog]

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“Jerry Jones said the Cowboys and CeeDee Lamb are having “promising talks”, via @toddarcher:”

 

[Biabreakable]

Bottom line is no risk it no biscuit.

And in terms of risk, this is a bet everyone would make.

You want to draft Lambs and Parsons, and then re-sign them. The first chance you get. More you wait, more it costs, and if you are in no rush to re-sign Lamb, you aren't in a rush to re-sign anyone.

In terms of young talent to be re-signed by their clubs, Lamb/Parson is the best duo in the league, and I don't need to think about it. #2/#3 most valuable positions, they have no injury questions, no character stuff. The second the new league year began, they should have been trying to extend Parson. Still should be.

If you are any other DAL player, why would you think you are gonna get taken care of when the time comes?

Parsons has no character stuff?

 

[Gadio]

1 week away from a lot of drafts. Ceedee is looking worrisome.

Cowboys' Jerry Jones doesn't have 'any updates' on negotiations with WR CeeDee Lamb

Dallas head coach Mike McCarthy says "everybody involved wants to get it done" in regards to an extension for his No. 1 receiver

www.cbssports.com

 

[BlackCrowes]

i'm passing right now

 

[Snoopy]

i'm passing right now

But is he catching?

 

[bcat01]

2nd pick tonight in PPR and I'm passing

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

2nd pick tonight in PPR and I'm passing

I wouldn’t. He’s gonna be a monster.

 

[VikingFrog]

2nd pick tonight in PPR and I'm passing

I wouldn’t. He’s gonna be a monster.

I’ve been wrong before. But I just don’t see how this deal doesn’t get done.

Chase, Aiyuk and Lamb are all sort of playing chicken and I see all the dominos falling around the same time.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

2nd pick tonight in PPR and I'm passing

I wouldn’t. He’s gonna be a monster.

I’ve been wrong before. But I just don’t see how this deal doesn’t get done.

Chase, Aiyuk and Lamb are all sort of playing chicken and I see all the dominos falling around the same time.

Exactly what I see. I put the chances of them missing time at less than 5%

Conditioning / chemistry could be a challenge and lead to a slow start (Bengals always seems to start slow) but otherwise I’m not too concerned. I have Lamb in one dynasty & Chase in another. Not really worried.