That's almost a 30% increase so no small gap. Think you'd need things like an Amari injury, trailing a lot, not seeing so much bad weather late in the year like last year. Not implausible though if we are talking an everything breaks right max upside.
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WR Elijah Moore, CLE (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Faust
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Opinions will vary but you can put me down as feeling very safe making that assumption. Different kind of WR's playing different kind of roles. Cooper and a lot of big bodied WR's along with Njoku make up most of the weapons. Moore's the different guy from the rest of the group and I believe his ability to see preferential matchups out of the slot and uncover quickly will lead to him seeing a lot more targets.
daveR
Footballguy
IMO* no. It could happen, but I wouldn't assume so, yet. My best guess is that they will start the season getting equal opportunities, in a three-way share of targets including Tillman. Cooper will remain #1. Eventually, we will see a Watson favorite emerge, but there isn't enough info to say who, just yet. I have a hunch, but it's really no more than that.
* for entertainment purposes only
dipandglide
Footballguy
The Tillman pick and acquiring Moore told us all we need to know about DPJ. He's gone after this year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Interesting tidbit to file away for future reference whenever a 'smallish' WR flashes at this time of the year.
Jes' sharin'.
Small note could be a big sign toward a career year for Grant Delpit
In the NFL, minicamps and most OTAs are setup for the offense to look good and the defense to just start to get their footing. Without the ability to be physical, defenses are at a huge disadvantage in these types of settings.
That is why, after one day of Cleveland Browns minicamp, the media are raving about what they saw from QB Deshaun Watson and a number of the talented pass catchers on the team. For those who have seen minicamp up close and personal for the last few decades, Watson’s performance was still something different.
The Browns defense won’t really have a chance to show how good they are until training camp and preseason. Like it or not, physicality is minimized throughout the NFL until facing off with players from opposing teams...
Jes' sharin'.
Small note could be a big sign toward a career year for Grant Delpit
In the NFL, minicamps and most OTAs are setup for the offense to look good and the defense to just start to get their footing. Without the ability to be physical, defenses are at a huge disadvantage in these types of settings.
That is why, after one day of Cleveland Browns minicamp, the media are raving about what they saw from QB Deshaun Watson and a number of the talented pass catchers on the team. For those who have seen minicamp up close and personal for the last few decades, Watson’s performance was still something different.
The Browns defense won’t really have a chance to show how good they are until training camp and preseason. Like it or not, physicality is minimized throughout the NFL until facing off with players from opposing teams...
bostonfred
Footballguy
Everyone complains about coach speak andthis time of year you do have to look at news differently but I don't think it's that complicated. Best shape of his life is a long running joke. Little guy looking unstoppable is just as cliche.
That doesn't mean you can't learn from it though. You're looking for the dog that didn't bark. If you see a little guy on a new team and he's not standing out, that's bad. Tank dell gets hype... who knows. The opposite is just expected.
If you see a big rb on a new team and they're talking about his moves or unexpected quickness for a guy his size, that's good. If you're not hearing about him in June, it doesn't tell us anything.
The coaching stuff is the same way. We're going to run more? Not meaningful. Everyone says that. Elijah is running from every position? That's a lot more meaningful. It probably means a high floor for snaps just by virtue of him not having to come off the field as often. It is good that they're dedicating coaching time to him because they intend to use him. And it means they can get favorable looks for him more often. That doesn't necessarily translate to fantasy wr1, but it gives you a range from, say, Curtis Samuel to peak Percy Harvin.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Eh, I have a different take since Stefanski uses this time for installs which means nothing in terms of usage during the regular season for 'what appears' to be gimmicky plays.
I DO NOT expect to see Moore lined up in the backfield more than once or twice this season, if this ever gets called.
I don't read anything into this other than doldrum beat writer syndrome where they are grasping at anything to fill a column at this time.
rockaction
Footballguy
If Rodgers works out for the Jets then this will be but a speed bump in what is already a 15 mph zone. Just a little nuisance and no big deal. Rodgers wanted who he wanted and got Lazard. The Jets used the Moore pick as part of the Rodgers compensation. That was the price the Jets were paying.
I personally have no problem with it. The Mecole Hardman signing? That's a different story.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Now this hype I'm buying (unlike Allen Robinson), b/c you can always fall in love again.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Who said Cooper was washed? People have often considered him overrated and too boom/bust for fantasy but I don't remember people saying a 27-28 year old Cooper was washed.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but remembervividly ppl being very down on him for a while now... esp when he moved to CLE. maybe not washed, but seriously, seriously undervalued.
I will however never forget someone asking the forum if he should be started week 1 (the szn lamb was drafted). it was as if cooper had died. he put up monster #s that week iirc (i might be off w some details on that and too lazy to look)
trader jake
Footballguy
An opportunity to buy Moore could present itself when the Browns sign a running back in the near future (assuming they do). It could be more difficult for a current Moore manager to envision that uptick in the Browns 2023 passing game with Watson to Moore right after the team brings in a veteran RB.
Faust
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Watson-Chubb-Cooper-Moore and some other nice weapons in their offense, Browns should make things interesting in a very competitive AFC North where the Bengals have B2B AFCC games and a SB appearance, Baltimore and Pittsburgh figure to be in Playoff contention even if they don't quite get in. Not a bad team in the Division that i can find
“He’s a big time talent” is unproven yet. No one knows.
Agree and I know Jets beat writer Connor Hughes has been saying the same stuff, he feels like Moore was just to good to give up that cheaply.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
We're in the dead period between OTAs and training camp - there really isn't any news to be had at this point.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I saw enough of him in his rookie year to feel he has big time talent. Last season was a mess with an awful QB situation and in the coaches dog house. I was shocked at how little the Jets got back for him with 2 yrs left on a cheap rookie deal.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Deandre Hopkins type season with Watson in C-town. Avoid at your own peril this guy is a stud.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I want to focus on what you said about the 2 years left on a rookie deal...seems like more teams would be looking to trade for players that don't get off to hot starts on the teams that drafted them. So many times we see players with a change of scenery improve. I would think the players themselves would like to reset/reboot after their 1st couple seasons don't pan out.
Sometimes a dud is a dud but Moore showed he had excellent skills coming out of college and even his Rookie year he flashed big play potential.
I would like to see him just become a reliable WR that can stay on the field this season. With Watson now as his QB, things should pick up for him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
His preparation and work ethic were rated very high coming out of college, was one of the reasons I thought he was drafted a few spots later than he should have been.
Chase-Slim Reaper and the Penguin pushed him down to a 2nd tier WR where most years he would have been even earlier off the board, my take anyways.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
WR3-4/Flex on your Draft Day with potential to ball out into the Top 20 WRs in 2023
I wouldn't reach for him and I wouldn't ignore him either
I don't want him on every redraft team but I must have a stake in this guy and already do for 2023.
2nd chance, low expectations and a potential Top 10 QB that has proven he can find more than just 1 WR in his offenses, this has the makings of a good time n redraft leagues
I wouldn't reach for him and I wouldn't ignore him either
I don't want him on every redraft team but I must have a stake in this guy and already do for 2023.
2nd chance, low expectations and a potential Top 10 QB that has proven he can find more than just 1 WR in his offenses, this has the makings of a good time n redraft leagues
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Agree with everything you’re saying about the player. Just grabbed him at 8.05 in my startup.
Another important thing to note is Cleveland is going to be playing at one of the fastest paces in one of the more wide open offenses in the league this year. Add it all up and I think your top 20 potential forecast is spot on.
DropKick
Footballguy
Jets gonna be the Jets...
Couldn't agree more... my thought was that some organization have a very low tolerance for dissidence and maybe Moore was too much and needed to be the lesson.
rockaction
Footballguy
He essentially quit on his team when they were on a win streak and technically in the playoffs. He wasn't happy because he wasn't getting the ball and asked for a trade and disparaged not only the QB but the OC. Now, he might have had good reason to do both, but if Aaron Rodgers is anything like he's advertised, this guy won't be missed in NY. He was the second-round compensation part of the deal.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
A guy on the one of the XM NFL/FF channels was talking him up but did express concern that the Browns play a lot of 2 TE sets to facilitate the running game. This could limit the number of snaps for the slot receiver.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
targets or receptions? He's behind Cooper and while the passing volume should go up, I don't see Moore getting close to 100 receptions. 100 targets seems achievable. I see 80-1,100 type ceiling.
I think the Browns view him as more then just a slot. His fairly productive first season with the Jets he only played about 17% in the slot. That did jump up to 38% last year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Do you think it's also fair to say that perhaps the reason Cleveland has run so much 2TE stuff is because of a pre-Watson QB situation? They knew their strength was the running game and so forth, let their QB be a manager... but now with Watson all bets are off, no? WR corps and TE corps is probably better than ever. As it relates to Moore, I think his versatility (and age) make him a prime candidate to at least push for being the alpha between him and Cooper. Even if it's a 1A/1B situation in either direction, Moore is probably dramatically underpriced right now. But I think there is a good chance he starts taking over right away, and I'm fairly certain I have zero dynasty shares. Dang it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
one share in a $77 TriFlex from last year's startup
I agree with every single thing you are saying.
And I only got Moore in our little league and there is a reason for that. I got this one guy who is in 5 of my other 8 dynasty leagues and he's the most all in guy I've ever seen in fantasy/dynasty. He took Moore in all 5 of those leagues, as often as high as pick 6-7 in some places.
I'm sure I've made over 20 trade offers to no avail since things went south for him last year.
I enjoyed the early cheap prices on him though this off-season. At one point he was my second most drafted player but I'm riding a streak of not being able to land him right now, he just keeps going up and up and I don't disagree with it.
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Zac Jackson
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Greg Newsome on Elijah Moore: The NFL better watch out for him. He’s one of the best I’ve gone against and I’m not just saying that because he’s on my team.
Zac Jackson
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Greg Newsome on Elijah Moore: The NFL better watch out for him. He’s one of the best I’ve gone against and I’m not just saying that because he’s on my team.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I don't think "quit" is accurate. The rest is correct - he was unhappy, complained loudly, got benched. Not a wise choice on his part. However, he did not pull an Antonio Brown. By all accounts, Moore was running his routes and getting open often before getting himself benched.
