WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN (1 Viewer)

[ffmail4me]

So serious question, has Lamb and/or St. Brown passed him in dynasty league rankings? I know losing Burrow was big, but even before Burrow went out, Lamb and St Brown averaged more per game. Thoughts??

 

[IHEARTFF]

So serious question, has Lamb and/or St. Brown passed him in dynasty league rankings? I know losing Burrow was big, but even before Burrow went out, Lamb and St Brown averaged more per game. Thoughts??

Lamb is close. If you can sell ARSB for Chase + then snap accept that

 

[ffmail4me]

So serious question, has Lamb and/or St. Brown passed him in dynasty league rankings? I know losing Burrow was big, but even before Burrow went out, Lamb and St Brown averaged more per game. Thoughts??

Lamb is close. If you can sell ARSB for Chase + then snap accept that

meant if you were drafting in a startup dynasty, do you consider Lamb or St Brown before Chase? All things being equal? For years it was JJ and Chase 1-2, seems we might see some variation of that moving forward or no?

 

[IHEARTFF]

So serious question, has Lamb and/or St. Brown passed him in dynasty league rankings? I know losing Burrow was big, but even before Burrow went out, Lamb and St Brown averaged more per game. Thoughts??

Lamb is close. If you can sell ARSB for Chase + then snap accept that

meant if you were drafting in a startup dynasty, do you consider Lamb or St Brown before Chase? All things being equal? For years it was JJ and Chase 1-2, seems we might see some variation of that moving forward or no?

I would consider Lamb but I dunno still think Chase 2

 

[rockaction]

I think Lamb has surpassed Chase a bit for fantasy football, though that might be recency bias.

I'm thinking recent durability, system, quarterback, and coach.

I would personally take Chase over Lamb, but at some point, the points scored talk and talk loudly.

In the end, I'll contradict myself again and say it's a coin flip and I wouldn't blame anybody for choosing the one they do.

One thing is that Chase played traditional X much more than Lamb did before this year, at least to my eyes when I watched. Lamb was a flanker more than anything. Gallup plays or played X in Dallas's offense for the most part. Gallup seems to have lost his job and now Tolbert might play X.

But really, AJ Brown, Chase, and Jefferson are different from ARSB and Lamb in that they have a higher degree of difficulty in their role, which is tethered to the line and stationary and fighting press coverage more often than that. ARSB and Lamb are hidden more.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
L'Jarius Sneed aligned across from Ja'Marr Chase on 21 of his 34 routes (61.8%), allowing 2 receptions for 27 yards on 3 targets.

Chase gained fewer receiving yards than expected (-6) for the first time in his five career games vs the Chiefs.

#CINvsKC | #ChiefsKingdom

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1741626407464415261?s=61

 

[TampaMike19]

Why people **** talk their opponents before they play, especially one playing at an all pro level, while you have a backup qb and are heavy dogs, is beyond me. This dude seems pretty dumb outside of football IQ but has insane talent that it overcomes it.

 

[TampaMike19]

Next Gen Stats
L'Jarius Sneed aligned across from Ja'Marr Chase on 21 of his 34 routes (61.8%), allowing 2 receptions for 27 yards on 3 targets.

Chase gained fewer receiving yards than expected (-6) for the first time in his five career games vs the Chiefs.

#CINvsKC | #ChiefsKingdom

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1741626407464415261?s=61

1.3 yprr is pretty appalling for a chase caliber player

 

[ffmail4me]

Chase fell to me at the 2.7 pick in a SF PPR Dynasty Best Ball startup this morning.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why people **** talk their opponents before they play, especially one playing at an all pro level, while you have a backup qb and are heavy dogs, is beyond me. This dude seems pretty dumb outside of football IQ but has insane talent that it overcomes it.

Agreed. Great talent, but seems like another idiot WR. He mouthed off after the game about how the CB wouldn't fight him, lol. It's a football game, not a boxing match, Mr. Chase.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Schefter] No Ja'Marr Chase nor Tee Higgins at the start of the Bengals voluntary OTAs. Both players are seeking new deals.

 

[bcat01]

Maybe the Bengals should sign Higgins for cheap compared to what Chase will get. Trade Chase for picks. I wouldn't do this, but maybe they should explore it.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Meanwhile, Burton and Burrow are sitting down for breakfast. * Sends up prayers*

 

[pinkstapler]

Maybe the Bengals should sign Higgins for cheap compared to what Chase will get. Trade Chase for picks. I wouldn't do this, but maybe they should explore it.

Problem is by all accounts Higgins isn't planning on taking anything close to "cheap". Bengals already made the smart play getting Burton who as far as on field potential, is just as high as Higgens IMO.

You don't trade one of the best WRs in the NFL, pretty much regardless of situation. But especially not when you also have one of the best QBs in the NFL and have finally become an annual playoff contender. "Hey lets trade one of the best weapons in the NFL for picks that we can use to pray to god we hit on another weapon even 80% as talented." It makes 0 sense. Feels like something we mock in fake football leagues, let alone real life.

Higgins is an afterthought compared to Chase. If Burton keeps his head on straight, by 2025 it'll be "Tee who?"

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe the Bengals should sign Higgins for cheap compared to what Chase will get. Trade Chase for picks. I wouldn't do this, but maybe they should explore it.

No. Joe Burrow and Chase have a special connection/chemistry. You don't mess with that for a high end possession guy like Higgins.

 

[odin33]

Now the question is does Chase come in above, at or below Jefferson? My guess is guaranteed money is nearly identical, but overall contract slightly less.

 

[ghostguy123]

Now the question is does Chase come in above, at or below Jefferson? My guess is guaranteed money is nearly identical, but overall contract slightly less.

It will be a different number of year so there's no way to tell who got "more".

 

[Faust]

Mike Brown: Bengals will 'bend over backwards' to extend WR Ja'Marr Chase

 

[Faust]

Will Bengals change contract stance with Ja'Marr Chase?

 

[FarFromHome]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

 

[Scoresman]

I'm getting more and more concerned with the Bengal's slow starts every year. Last year we all know Burrow was playing hurt to start the year, but even in the few years before last, Cincy has developed a reputation for starting slow and it seems a big fault lies with the coaches.

In doing some research, it seems Zac Taylor's approach to training camp is to go easy during practices, and playing starters in pre-season games less than average. It's easy to see why this could result in a slow start.

Some say this slow start helps the team finish seasons better, but from a fantasy standpoint, I don't want my potential first round pick (Jamarr Chase) to put up duds the first 2-3 weeks. Last year, Chase started the season with 4.1 and 3.1 points. This could easily put your team in an 0-2 hole, which I absolutely hate. It's turning me off from drafting any Bengals with a high ADP.

I might be overreacting. Curious about others' thoughts on this.

 

[Jail]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

 

[Chaka]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

 

[oswizzle]

Tee Higgins looking nice with Chase holding out

 

[Scoresman]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

On top of Cincinnati already being notorious for slow starts. Hard pass on Chase at this point.

 

[Jail]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

Yeah I am very surprised how little attention there is. And Chase seems to be the most underpaid by far. And Brown has pretty much said that he won't give him a contract this year.

Will there be anger or resentment? I'd imagine yes. Will it impact his on field performance? And will his lack of practice impact his performance? Tough question marks for a 1.6 pick.

 

[eighsse2]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

Yeah I am very surprised how little attention there is. And Chase seems to be the most underpaid by far. And Brown has pretty much said that he won't give him a contract this year.

Will there be anger or resentment? I'd imagine yes. Will it impact his on field performance? And will his lack of practice impact? Tough question marks for a 1.6 pick.

I can understand having resentment, but if anything if I were in that position I would probably be motivated more. Every catch, every yard, every TD, makes it more of a certainty that you're getting a massive payday when it comes. There's always the risk of major injury of course, but that risk is there whether you're balling out or not.

 

[FarFromHome]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

Yeah I am very surprised how little attention there is. And Chase seems to be the most underpaid by far. And Brown has pretty much said that he won't give him a contract this year.

Will there be anger or resentment? I'd imagine yes. Will it impact his on field performance? And will his lack of practice impact? Tough question marks for a 1.6 pick.

I can understand having resentment, but if anything if I were in that position I would probably be motivated more. Every catch, every yard, every TD, makes it more of a certainty that you're getting a massive payday when it comes. There's always the risk of major injury of course, but that risk is there whether you're balling out or not.

It's just such a tough spot to be in for an athlete. He sells his upcoming salary amount in jerseys. He has leverage. I'd personally sit and not risk it. I get the "honor" your contract route but this isn't his 3rd contract he agreed to a few years ago. Its a rookie deal. Take care of your family Mr. Chase and put real pressure on the team to make this right.

 

[Chaka]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

Yeah I am very surprised how little attention there is. And Chase seems to be the most underpaid by far. And Brown has pretty much said that he won't give him a contract this year.

Will there be anger or resentment? I'd imagine yes. Will it impact his on field performance? And will his lack of practice impact his performance? Tough question marks for a 1.6 pick.

He is only entering his fourth season and it's not very common for players to get reupped after three (Jordan Love seems more an exception than rule). So, I can see Brown's logic to a degree and the Bengals appear to be $12 million over the cap (if I'm reading spotrac correctly). But, still I think, if you honestly have Super Bowl aspirations you pay the man.

 

[BobbyLayne]

4 receivers in his draft class got paid after Y3:

• Jaylen Waddle
• DeVonta Smith
• Nico Collins
• Amon-Ra St Brown

He should feel resentful.

 

[FarFromHome]

To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders:

"Pay this man his money"

I am surprised there is not much attention on this contract situation as he seems to be doing the hold-in thing. I read somewhere that he's making Either 1.05 or 4.86 million depending on who to believe. Either way when you consider WR contracts this summer that probably makes him the most underpaid player in the NFL. Could get ugly.

Still no one seems to be talking about this hold-in.

Not sure why CeeDee & Aiyuk are all over the first page of this board and Ja'Marr isn't.

And, in general as it relates to these guys people don't seem too concerned with extended holdouts for two likely first round picks in most redrafts. I don't like it. Managers are going to have to eat a likely slow start from all of them. Opening up 0-2 in formats where there are only 14-15 games before the playoffs start is a big deal.

Yeah I am very surprised how little attention there is. And Chase seems to be the most underpaid by far. And Brown has pretty much said that he won't give him a contract this year.

Will there be anger or resentment? I'd imagine yes. Will it impact his on field performance? And will his lack of practice impact his performance? Tough question marks for a 1.6 pick.

He is only entering his fourth season and it's not very common for players to get reupped after three (Jordan Love seems more an exception than rule). So, I can see Brown's logic to a degree and the Bengals appear to be $12 million over the cap (if I'm reading spotrac correctly). But, still I think, if you honestly have Super Bowl aspirations you pay the man.

Just feels like thats the path you might do for one of your players whose face isn't plastered all over stadium or has a hamburger named after him. One thing we can all agree on, not all athletes are treated the same. A guy like Chase has proven to be that guy. You treat that guy a little different. Gonna be interesting how they handle it thats for sure

 

[Jail]

4 receivers in his draft class got paid after Y3:

• Jaylen Waddle
• DeVonta Smith
• Nico Collins
• Amon-Ra St Brown

He should feel resentful.

Ouch. Excellent point. The fact that Smith and Waddle are 1st rounders is definitely noteworthy too.

This could get ugly.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

4 receivers in his draft class got paid after Y3:

• Jaylen Waddle
• DeVonta Smith
• Nico Collins
• Amon-Ra St Brown

He should feel resentful.

Ouch. Excellent point. The fact that Smith and Waddle are 1st rounders is definitely noteworthy too.

This could get ugly.

I didn't expect to say this...but to be fair to the Bengals:

CeeDee Lamb is in Year 5 still trying to get a 2nd contract out of Jerry and JJetta had to wait until after Year 4.
And if we're being honest, Chase hasn't taken off like you thought he would after his rookie year.

Honestly, I think I'm siding with the Bengals on this one. I'm surprised.

 

[cheese]

4 receivers in his draft class got paid after Y3:

• Jaylen Waddle
• DeVonta Smith
• Nico Collins
• Amon-Ra St Brown

He should feel resentful.

Ouch. Excellent point. The fact that Smith and Waddle are 1st rounders is definitely noteworthy too.

This could get ugly.

If he wants the Smith or Waddle contract, I'm sure that is available to him. If he wants the Jefferson contract, he will need to play another year. Current request seems to be get paid Jefferson money now, which is not normal and probably not going to happen.

 

[FarFromHome]

Today was the first practice he didn't at least attend. It's getting real. Pay this man

 

[Grahamburn]

Today was the first practice he didn't at least attend. It's getting real. Pay this man

When does it stop though? He’s holding out after his 3rd year? That’s ridiculous.

 

[FarFromHome]

Today was the first practice he didn't at least attend. It's getting real. Pay this man

When does it stop though? He’s holding out after his 3rd year? That’s ridiculous.

I dont know. I understand why they implemented the rookie contracts, I just don't necessarily agree with them. Locking in what a player should make 4 years down the road immediately after being drafted seems silly. Players outperform. If a player after 3 years underperformed the contract what would the team do? Bye bye. Maybe cut rookie deals to 2 years and give franchises 2 additional years of tagging them which allows players that are good to resign good contracts.. People can say what they want about the current system but under no circumstance should Chase be paid 1 million dollars for what he has done and shown. It's a flaw in the system. All my opinion and I don't pretend to have written documentaries on the topic.

 

[Faust]

Pat McAfee
"The Ja'Marr Chase situation is a little more complicated than the others because he has more time on his deal..

We don't know exactly what he's thinking but I'm gonna assume that he's not real happy with the way things are going" ~ @AdamSchefter

#PMSLive

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[gump]

Fell to #10 in my big money redraft last night…5 RBs went in top 9.

 

[eighsse2]

Returned to practice.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Looks like the holdout is effectively over.

 

[Joe Bryant]

From The Athletic:


CINCINNATI — Ja’Marr Chase took part in practice for the first time this season.
The Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver has been holding in as he negotiates a contract extension with the team and watched every practice — except one he didn’t show up to — from the sideline.
On Sunday, the team’s first practice following the conclusion of the preseason, he rejoined his teammates on the field. He was a full participant and the team expects him to practice all week, league sources told The Athletic. The Bengals also posted a photo on X of Chase at practice.

The practice was not open to the media.
Chase has been sneaking in throwing sessions outside of practice time over the last week, whether in the indoor facility after practice or on the fields before the day’s team work, but this was his first time back in full with everyone.

With exactly two weeks until the opener against the New England Patriots, this gives a long enough runway for Chase ramp up to game shape.

Chase has two years remaining on his rookie contract. The club exercised his fifth-year option for the 2025 season.
Bengals president Mike Brown stated before training camp began the team would “bend over backward” to sign Chase, but this might not be the best time to negotiate. Outside of Joe Burrow last year, whose contract broke every Bengals’ precedent, Cincinnati has never signed a first-round pick to an extension before their fourth season.

 

[Faust]

Ben Baby
Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase participated Sunday's light practice, per the team. First practice participation of any kind for him dating back to last season. (via @bengals)

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Throughout this hold-in, Ja'Marr Chase has participated in lighter workouts, such as a walkthrough or today's light practice. He has not participated in a traditional game-week practice, which is not scheduled until Wednesday.

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[bcat01]

Showed up late to practice in street clothes.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...after-missing-wednesday-practice/74984833007/

 

[Faust]

Bengals' Zac Taylor on Ja'Marr Chase sitting out practice: 'We'll just continue to take it day to day'

 

[-jb-]

This vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

 

[Proteus]

This vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

He waited for me to draft I'm sure of it.

Hold out, hold in, on field, gonna play, hold in, street clothes, coach looks like a moron, va fangool!

 

[Faust]

James Rapien
Bengals wide receiver Ja’Marr Chase isn’t practicing today. The regular season in 10 days away. Here he is walking out to the practice field

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[eighsse2]

Do whatever you want, buddy. If you'll be ready for the season, awesome, but you're still a punk either way. A very talented punk.

 

[Proteus]

I can't believe I threw away my round 1 pick because I didn't follow advice from Chad OchoCinco