WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

I got pick 1.8 in a big FFPC Main Event and when I saw I had that pick I was happy with it but only if nothing impacted one of my, and generally speaking almost majority consensus, top 8 picks did not have an injury or something go awry. Something went awry.

I still took Chase at 8 anyway.

It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.

Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.

The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.

And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.

So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.

That's bold man. I have to imagine at least one of ARSB, AJ or JJ (maybe Jonathan Taylor?) were available at 1.08. What was your logic for Chase over whoever was remaining?

 

[menobrown]

I got pick 1.8 in a big FFPC Main Event and when I saw I had that pick I was happy with it but only if nothing impacted one of my, and generally speaking almost majority consensus, top 8 picks did not have an injury or something go awry. Something went awry.

I still took Chase at 8 anyway.

It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.

Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.

The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.

And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.

So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.

That's bold man. I have to imagine at least one of ARSB, AJ or JJ (maybe Jonathan Taylor?) were available at 1.08. What was your logic for Chase over whoever was remaining?

AJ and JT were available.

Simply put reason was I'd have Chase in a tier with Bijan and Breece as players 4-6 if no suspension concerns with JJ and ASRB in the next tier as players 7-8. I was willing to take JJ or ASRB but I was not willing to drop down another tier(AJB) or two(JT).

My expectation if Chase is playing week one is he'll start a little slow. Normally does anyway but especially with his missed time. But after a few weeks I expect to see the best version we've seen from him yet, a level up. That is if his and his QB's health holds up.

 

[themeistersinger]

He’s finally practicing - either a deal is about to happen or his camp caved.

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I believe he just did individual drills, like the last time he showed up in uniform. Possibly intended as a sign of good faith by him but not much more than that.

 

[menobrown]

He’s finally practicing - either a deal is about to happen or his camp caved.

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I believe he just did individual drills, like the last time he showed up in uniform. Possibly intended as a sign of good faith by him but not much more than that.

Burrow said Chase is ready to go right now.

If Taylor said that he might sit the week out but I don’t think Chase does his QB like that.

I think we are back though I still hope they extend him. Will make me feel better about Chase pushing through later if he’s not 100%

 

[themeistersinger]

He’s finally practicing - either a deal is about to happen or his camp caved.

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I believe he just did individual drills, like the last time he showed up in uniform. Possibly intended as a sign of good faith by him but not much more than that.

Burrow said Chase is ready to go right now.

If Taylor said that he might sit the week out but I don’t think Chase does his QB like that.

I think we are back though I still hope they extend him. Will make me feel better about Chase pushing through later if he’s not 100%

Yeah, I think that's the biggest concern if he doesn't get an extension. I mean he is risking around 100 million by playing so I get that part of it.

 

[3nOut]

Just draft and manage your team well. Treat this like an early bye week if he doesn’t play. If you drafted well and make the playoffs, this will really be nothing 15 weeks from now… unless you took someone else over him.

 

[KellysHeroes]

anyone sitting him this week?
I'm thinking of benching him over Addison... yes I'm that nervous

 

[bcat01]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

 

[zamboni]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

 

[habsfan]

anyone sitting him this week?
I'm thinking of benching him over Addison... yes I'm that nervous

If they hug it out before game time, probably not. Even on a pitch count, he only needs a couple of those plays they're about to pay him for to outscore my backup. If they don't hug it out, out he comes obviously.

 

[The General]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

That is wild .

 

[JohnnyU]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

That is wild .

Will he sit out games? Inquiring minds have got to know

 

[Soulfly3]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

That is wild .

having to put the funds in escrow has apparently been debunked by some credible sources, just don't remember who or where.
as if the NFL or its teams will EVER have issuing covering costs

 

[menobrown]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

That is wild .

having to put the funds in escrow has apparently been debunked by some credible sources, just don't remember who or where.
as if the NFL or its teams will EVER have issuing covering costs

Fake rumors like this spring about because of the old tired myth about how cheap Mike Brown handles his business.

 

[JohnnyU]

According to local radio the hold up is that the Bengals do not have the cash to put in escrow. They had to put $219 million in for Burrow and just spent $100 million on stadium improvements.

That is wild .

having to put the funds in escrow has apparently been debunked by some credible sources, just don't remember who or where.
as if the NFL or its teams will EVER have issuing covering costs

Fake rumors like this spring about because of the old tired myth about how cheap Mike Brown handles his business.

His dad was the same way.

 

[Faust]

Bengals believe if Ja'Marr Chase plays, he'll make impact

 

[jvdesigns2002]

anyone sitting him this week?
I'm thinking of benching him over Addison... yes I'm that nervous

I don’t own any shares of Chase this year—but if the reports are that he’s going to play—I think you need to start him. Don’t get me wrong (as I think Addison is a fine player)—but it would take a moderately/significantly better ranked player than Addison for me to sit Chase if it’s reported that he’s going to play.

 

[pinkstapler]

All the Chase owners suddenly loving Sleepers new auto-sub feature....

 

[-jb-]

This ****in’ guy

 

[eighsse2]

He's self-classifying as "game-time decision"? Very goofy fella.

 

[Pietaster2]

"I'll probably be limited if I do play." - Ja'Marr Chase

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[H8fulHuck]

Bad timing for Higgins to tweak his hammy. If Chase is a full go, he and Yoshi should be very very active.

Definitely feeling the agita for picking him in the first round. He plays to win = big payoff. He plays "contract games" = big L

 

[menobrown]

Tee Higgins looking nice with Chase holding out

Bad takes exposed! I kid, I kid.

 

[menobrown]

"I'll probably be limited if I do play." - Ja'Marr Chase

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He contradicted himself often. My guess on what he really means.

Bengals stepped up their offer. Made him feel more appreciated and backed up their comment they made publicly about how much they want to sign him. This may have been the nudge he needed to get back to practice.

He's saying he's healthy but limited with respect to if he normally played 60 snaps he'll play 40-50.

He said it was his decision to play as what I feel was a last resort not play his hand in hopes a deal can get done today and he did not want lose leverage saying he'd play this week no matter what. I think he intends to play but if anyone other then him comes out and say's he's playing before he makes it official he'll do a 180 and sit as I feel like he's really determined to show he's calling his own shots. This is of course why he started skipping practice after Taylor said he was sure to be playing week one and why Taylor has been relegated to Mr. "we'll see".

Things seem to be looking ok but I'd still be happier if I'm seeing some breaking news that he's agreed to an extension.

 

[Big Nate]

With Higgins injured again they need to lock up Chase and let him ball out. If Higgins is out and Chase doesn't play and CIN loses to NE it is over. Will be rioting in the streets if CIN goes 0-1 after a loss to NE.

I know CIN is cheap AF but man lets get this contract done and get back to football. It will only get more expensive the longer they wait.

 

[3nOut]

If Chase plays, I will use him in my flex position. If he sits, I am benching both him and Burrow.

 

[Big Nate]

If Chase plays, I will use him in my flex position. If he sits, I am benching both him and Burrow.

No Higgins, possibly no Chase, Mixon and Perine gone so new RB in the backfield.

Burrow not having his normal weapons there - this could get ugly. Only CIN can find a way to make this worse.

 

[FarFromHome]

If Chase plays, I will use him in my flex position. If he sits, I am benching both him and Burrow.

No Higgins, possibly no Chase, Mixon and Perine gone so new RB in the backfield.

Burrow not having his normal weapons there - this could get ugly. Only CIN can find a way to make this worse.

Yep. Lawrence put into lineup for week 1 for Burrow for me.

 

[Big Nate]

If Chase plays, I will use him in my flex position. If he sits, I am benching both him and Burrow.

No Higgins, possibly no Chase, Mixon and Perine gone so new RB in the backfield.

Burrow not having his normal weapons there - this could get ugly. Only CIN can find a way to make this worse.

Yep. Lawrence put into lineup for week 1 for Burrow for me.

I don't mind the potential matchup for Lawrence this week - possible shootout. I'm likely starting TL in 2 leagues.

 

[kutta]

The line dropped from Bengals -8 to Bengals -7.5.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Just benched Burrow for Murray

 

[TampaMike19]

This is a major distraction for team chemistry. Wouldn't be surprised if they come out really flat and demoralized seeing how the owner won't pay their star WR. Could also wait a year since he's year 3 but I mean this is the reality for WRs who are worth it right now.

 

[Smack Tripper]

This is a major distraction for team chemistry. Wouldn't be surprised if they come out really flat and demoralized seeing how the owner won't pay their star WR. Could also wait a year since he's year 3 but I mean this is the reality for WRs who are worth it right now.

What about Tee across the locker room? Chase is way out of line here IMO

 

[Yenrub]

Looks I'm going to be forced to start Jamison Williams (against a banged-up Rams secondary)
Not what I wanted but oh well I have no one to blame but myself

 

[themeistersinger]

I got pick 1.8 in a big FFPC Main Event and when I saw I had that pick I was happy with it but only if nothing impacted one of my, and generally speaking almost majority consensus, top 8 picks did not have an injury or something go awry. Something went awry.

I still took Chase at 8 anyway.

It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.

Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.

The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.

And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.

So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.

That's bold man. I have to imagine at least one of ARSB, AJ or JJ (maybe Jonathan Taylor?) were available at 1.08. What was your logic for Chase over whoever was remaining?

I picked Chase on 1.09. The night of our draft was a Tuesday, the day that Chase showed up for practice for the first time, and the day before he stopped practicing again. I was deciding between him and AJ Brown. On my board that night I had Chase at 7 overall and Brown at 9 overall. All of the other top 8 went ahead of me, except one homer took Josh Allen at 1.06.

The tie breaker for me was that we have divisions, week 1-5 are division games, and AJ Brown has a Bye in week 5. A win in division is worth more than a win outside (division winner gets 1st round Bye) so I try to avoid guys with a Bye during division games, especially in the early rounds. If the board had fallen they way I had it ranked, not sure who I would have picked, but 50/50 between AJ Brown and Garrett WIlson, who I had ranked at 1.11. I had Jonathan Taylor at 1.10 on my board, but I would have waited for him, and as it turned out I got Taylor at 2.04.

As it turns out, the guy I am playing in Week 5 did draft AJ Brown, so that should be a plus for me, assuming Chase does play.

The main thing that makes me somewhat optimistic is that neither side has been mouthing off to the press. So I don't think there are hard feelings getting in the way of a deal.

 

[Chaka]

I got pick 1.8 in a big FFPC Main Event and when I saw I had that pick I was happy with it but only if nothing impacted one of my, and generally speaking almost majority consensus, top 8 picks did not have an injury or something go awry. Something went awry.

I still took Chase at 8 anyway.

It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.

Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.

The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.

And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.

So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.

That's bold man. I have to imagine at least one of ARSB, AJ or JJ (maybe Jonathan Taylor?) were available at 1.08. What was your logic for Chase over whoever was remaining?

I picked Chase on 1.09. The night of our draft was a Tuesday, the day that Chase showed up for practice for the first time, and the day before he stopped practicing again. I was deciding between him and AJ Brown. On my board that night I had Chase at 7 overall and Brown at 9 overall. All of the other top 8 went ahead of me, except one homer took Josh Allen at 1.06.

The tie breaker for me was that we have divisions, week 1-5 are division games, and AJ Brown has a Bye in week 5. A win in division is worth more than a win outside (division winner gets 1st round Bye) so I try to avoid guys with a Bye during division games, especially in the early rounds. If the board had fallen they way I had it ranked, not sure who I would have picked, but 50/50 between AJ Brown and Garrett WIlson, who I had ranked at 1.11. I had Jonathan Taylor at 1.10 on my board, but I would have waited for him, and as it turned out I got Taylor at 2.04.

As it turns out, the guy I am playing in Week 5 did draft AJ Brown, so that should be a plus for me, assuming Chase does play.

The main thing that makes me somewhat optimistic is that neither side has been mouthing off to the press. So I don't think there are hard feelings getting in the way of a deal.

That makes a lot of sense. It's unfortunate that he isn't at least getting this week of practice, but he'll round into shape.

 

[menobrown]

The tie breaker for me was that we have divisions, week 1-5 are division games, and AJ Brown has a Bye in week 5

Great minds think alike. Or if everyone is thinking the same thing no one is thinking, lol, guess it's a matter of perspective.

But I factored that into my decisions as well, though for me it was only going to be about a 50/50 chance it would work. I knew I faced the team picking 10 in week 5. I also knew that AJB went 9 or 10 in just about every draft I was in so I figured if Chase missed a week or two I could cut some of my losses by having a shot at missing AJB. In my mind I just needed the guy at pick 1.9 to take Garrett Wilson.

Team 9 picked Taylor. I got giddy. Then team 10 took Wilson. Sad.

 

[JohnnyU]

If he plays, I play him. It's that simple. If I have to swap him out I can and will.

 

[ffmail4me]

Would anyone start Odunze or Curtis Samuel over him?

 

[menobrown]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

 

[Proteus]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

 

[efactor]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

Chase, while an excellent t player is kind of becoming unlikable.

 

[menobrown]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

Chase, while an excellent t player is kind of becoming unlikable.

No doubt.

Understand he wants a new deal. I know we got a segment of posters here who always want to defend the player doing anything they can to get a new contract.

But it's hard not to feel a certain way when I compare the way Jefferson and Lamb went about their business when they had 2 years left on their deals vs the way he goes about his business. To say nothing of his demands and the way he hung Taylor out as a "I'll show you" after he returned to practice and Taylor said he'd play.

 

[TampaMike19]

I mean the guy did sit out a year of college football to prove a point. I think he thinks he’s gods greatest WR to ever live (quite possible) but the stats don’t match it and it’s not quite contract renewal time. Jefferson was his college teammate so I’m surprised these guys just don’t have similar strategies.

Another thing is that- Bengals owner is notoriously cheap? Remember all the Carson Palmer crap? lol

 

[Dizzy]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

Chase, while an excellent t player is kind of becoming unlikable.

Becoming?

 

[kyoun1e]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

Cinci doesn't need both Higgins and Chase to beat NE.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Crap, he's now on the injury report with an "illness".

Gotta be kidding me.

Is he trolling his team?

With Higgins out, he has a chance to show his value by winning this game for his team. They can ill afford to let this one get away with KC on the horizon.

Cinci doesn't need both Higgins and Chase to beat NE.

I'm not even sure they'll need 11 men on the field to beat NE.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Would anyone start Odunze or Curtis Samuel over him?

No. Unless he sits then of course.

 

[dblock05]

Lots of people are faulting someone trying to get their money while sitting on the couch. I wonder how many of you would work for only 20% of what you make now?

You knew this was going on if you did a redraft.

 

[Proteus]

Lots of people are faulting someone trying to get their money while sitting on the couch. I wonder how many of you would work for only 20% of what you make now?

You knew this was going on if you did a redraft.

But can he be a little more straightforward about it at least?

Guy is treating his holdout like a 1930s striptease.

I believe his methods, more so than simply his ask, are actively hurting the team.