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Osaurus
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Snorkelson
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Zow
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Henry Ford
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Not evening trying anymore.
dkp993
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They say it’s someone who never died. I’m pulling for 2Pac, rap game just hasn’t been the same since he left.
timschochet
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Encyclopedia Brown
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msommer
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Joe Summer
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Wait, I'm confused. How do they make the connection from "someone who never died" to "John F. Kennedy Jr"???
Of all the various Q coins for sale, these seem like some of the nicest.
https://greatawakeningcoin.com/
https://greatawakeningcoin.com/
Snorkelson
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Oooo they have a phone numberMaurile Tremblay said:
Sheriff Bart
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Henry Ford
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I almost want to buy those and then have my nieces put them on Antiques Roadshow in 50 years.Maurile Tremblay said:
dkp993
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No clue but just had to say I love your avatar. I have fond memories of going to Bobs Big Boy with my grandparents when I was a kid.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Thanks. When I was younger, my hair (sadly has left me) was very wavy. I kind of had the Big Boy hair style for many years.
HellToupee
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/does-the-jeffrey-epstein-indictment-qanon.html
So Was QAnon … Right?
By Max Read
If anything, the QAnon adherent are too optimistic. Photo: Maddie McGarvey/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Over Independence Day weekend, as most of the rest of us set off fireworks and grilled at cookouts, a cadre of conspiracy obsessives awaited the fulfillment of a message-board prophecy. In its broadest strokes, QAnon, as the expansive and complicated theory to which these people have dedicated their energy is known, claims that a group within the federal government has been conducting a secret investigation into a network of elite pedophiles. On the Fourth of July, or maybe on the fifth — depending on which version of the theory you subscribe to — with the nation watching, John F. Kennedy Jr., who faked his own death 20 years ago this month, would reveal himself, and then, as QAnon interpreter Will Sommer puts it, “team up with Trump and ship a huge number of top Democrats off to Guantanamo Bay” for their participation in these global child-sex rings.
Of course, this wild theory turned out to be bogus. They got the date wrong: July 4 and 5 both passed without incident. It wasn’t until July 6 that the feds handed out an indictment over a global underage sex-trafficking ring implicating U.S. presidents, heads of government, top lawyers, world-famous actors, and a member of the English royal family. And, to be fair, JFK Jr. didn’t emerge from hiding. Otherwise, though, the Saturday arrest of well-connected financier and convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein on one count of sex traffickingand one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking went a long way toward fulfilling the QAnon prediction — and therefore raised a troubling question: Did QAnon turn out to be kind of, well, right?
Epstein, the federal indictment alleges, “created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis.” He’s said to have groomed girls as young as 14 in his mansions in New York and Palm Beach, and alleged to have forced them to have sex with the powerful people who ran in his circles. One woman says that she was coerced into sex with both superlawyer Alan Dershowitz and the Prince of Wales’s younger brother Prince Andrew; President Bill Clinton, as the right-wing press is fond of pointing out, was a frequent guest on Epstein’s jet, which was apparently nicknamed the “Lolita Express” by locals on the U.S. Virgin Islands hideaway where Epstein allegedly hosted orgies.
If you believe the most sweeping version of the allegations, Epstein and a handful of helpers were running what was in essence a mobile teenage-prostitution ring catering to the one percent aboard his private jet and in his palatial estates — themselves decked out in full occult-orgy fashion, with a mysterious Eastern European hostess, a custom erotic chess board, and “a life-size female doll in a wedding dress hanging from a chandelier.” Until this weekend, he’d managed to escape justice, thanks to a strange leniency from top prosecutors, including Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance and former U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta, now Trump’s Secretary of Labor. One-percenter sex rings? Creepy mansions rife with dark symbolism? A culture of impunity emanating from the highest levels of government? That sure sounds like QAnon.
But it’s not quite QAnon. In many details, the Epstein case is QAnon’s inverse. The charges aren’t coming from a zombie JFK Jr., who faked his own death to escape the system, but from the establishment-aligned U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Southern District of New York. Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring seems possibly to have been a sort of awful side hustle to a real business that involved money laundering, or offshore banking, or even just blackmailing and ponzi scheming, rather than the center of a fantastical satanic cult based out of a pizza parlor. (Though, don’t think too hard about the fact that Epstein once said that his dinner parties were “like eating pizza at the ballet.”)
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Most conspicuously, in the world of QAnon, Donald Trump is a crusading savior, the face of a deep-state conspiracy to expose the moral depravity of the global elite and bring a cabal of child molestors to justice. In real life, Trump was friendly with Epstein. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” he told New York in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Trump is not the only person who’s known for decades about Epstein’s conspicuous preference for young women. The journalist Vicky Ward says that references to Epstein’s abuse in a 2003 article she wrote for Vanity Fair were killed by editors. Stories emerged anyway; many of the details of his alleged crimes have been extensively reported over the last fifteen years, and the charges levied against Epstein over the weekend are extremely similar to those brought against him in 2008. The “conspiracy theory” of a network of predators centered around a wealthy enabler, protected by the privileged cohort in which he ran, was easily found in the Miami Herald, or on Gawker, or pieced together through court documents. If QAnon was kind of right, it was as a twisted, telephone-game rendition of a story already out in the open, filtered through Satanist moral panic, right-wing partisanship, Christian prophecy, and Kennedy nostalgia.
What was surprising about this weekend’s news wasn’t the specifics of the allegations, but the fact that anything happened regarding them. Back in 2008, thanks to his sweetheart plea deal with Alex Acosta, Epstein served only 13 months of an 18 month sentence, mostly on work release, for the reduced crime of soliciting an underage prostitute. As more victims came forward and new details emerged, Epstein remained free, and the powerful men who once made up his social circle untainted by their relationships to him. The name Jeffrey Epstein became synonymous with, as Michelle Goldberg puts it, “deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes.”
If anything, QAnon was a more palatable version of this story — a rendition in which elites spent decades secretly working toward justice, in which the forces arrayed against them were supernaturally malevolent rather than simply rich and networked, and in which the president of the United States is a covert agent for good, rather than a former Epstein acquaintance and enabler. Or rather than, for that matter, a multiply accused sex abuser himself.
In that light, QAnon sounds less like a paranoid conspiracy than a kind of optimistic fantasy. The world of QAnon isn’t a happy one, but as the Epstein case demonstrates, neither is the world the rest of us live in. At least QAnon promises justice, victory, a resurrected JFK Jr., and a nice bit of drama over a holiday weekend.
So Was QAnon … Right?
By Max Read
If anything, the QAnon adherent are too optimistic. Photo: Maddie McGarvey/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Over Independence Day weekend, as most of the rest of us set off fireworks and grilled at cookouts, a cadre of conspiracy obsessives awaited the fulfillment of a message-board prophecy. In its broadest strokes, QAnon, as the expansive and complicated theory to which these people have dedicated their energy is known, claims that a group within the federal government has been conducting a secret investigation into a network of elite pedophiles. On the Fourth of July, or maybe on the fifth — depending on which version of the theory you subscribe to — with the nation watching, John F. Kennedy Jr., who faked his own death 20 years ago this month, would reveal himself, and then, as QAnon interpreter Will Sommer puts it, “team up with Trump and ship a huge number of top Democrats off to Guantanamo Bay” for their participation in these global child-sex rings.
Of course, this wild theory turned out to be bogus. They got the date wrong: July 4 and 5 both passed without incident. It wasn’t until July 6 that the feds handed out an indictment over a global underage sex-trafficking ring implicating U.S. presidents, heads of government, top lawyers, world-famous actors, and a member of the English royal family. And, to be fair, JFK Jr. didn’t emerge from hiding. Otherwise, though, the Saturday arrest of well-connected financier and convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein on one count of sex traffickingand one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking went a long way toward fulfilling the QAnon prediction — and therefore raised a troubling question: Did QAnon turn out to be kind of, well, right?
Epstein, the federal indictment alleges, “created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis.” He’s said to have groomed girls as young as 14 in his mansions in New York and Palm Beach, and alleged to have forced them to have sex with the powerful people who ran in his circles. One woman says that she was coerced into sex with both superlawyer Alan Dershowitz and the Prince of Wales’s younger brother Prince Andrew; President Bill Clinton, as the right-wing press is fond of pointing out, was a frequent guest on Epstein’s jet, which was apparently nicknamed the “Lolita Express” by locals on the U.S. Virgin Islands hideaway where Epstein allegedly hosted orgies.
If you believe the most sweeping version of the allegations, Epstein and a handful of helpers were running what was in essence a mobile teenage-prostitution ring catering to the one percent aboard his private jet and in his palatial estates — themselves decked out in full occult-orgy fashion, with a mysterious Eastern European hostess, a custom erotic chess board, and “a life-size female doll in a wedding dress hanging from a chandelier.” Until this weekend, he’d managed to escape justice, thanks to a strange leniency from top prosecutors, including Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance and former U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta, now Trump’s Secretary of Labor. One-percenter sex rings? Creepy mansions rife with dark symbolism? A culture of impunity emanating from the highest levels of government? That sure sounds like QAnon.
But it’s not quite QAnon. In many details, the Epstein case is QAnon’s inverse. The charges aren’t coming from a zombie JFK Jr., who faked his own death to escape the system, but from the establishment-aligned U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Southern District of New York. Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring seems possibly to have been a sort of awful side hustle to a real business that involved money laundering, or offshore banking, or even just blackmailing and ponzi scheming, rather than the center of a fantastical satanic cult based out of a pizza parlor. (Though, don’t think too hard about the fact that Epstein once said that his dinner parties were “like eating pizza at the ballet.”)
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Most conspicuously, in the world of QAnon, Donald Trump is a crusading savior, the face of a deep-state conspiracy to expose the moral depravity of the global elite and bring a cabal of child molestors to justice. In real life, Trump was friendly with Epstein. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” he told New York in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Trump is not the only person who’s known for decades about Epstein’s conspicuous preference for young women. The journalist Vicky Ward says that references to Epstein’s abuse in a 2003 article she wrote for Vanity Fair were killed by editors. Stories emerged anyway; many of the details of his alleged crimes have been extensively reported over the last fifteen years, and the charges levied against Epstein over the weekend are extremely similar to those brought against him in 2008. The “conspiracy theory” of a network of predators centered around a wealthy enabler, protected by the privileged cohort in which he ran, was easily found in the Miami Herald, or on Gawker, or pieced together through court documents. If QAnon was kind of right, it was as a twisted, telephone-game rendition of a story already out in the open, filtered through Satanist moral panic, right-wing partisanship, Christian prophecy, and Kennedy nostalgia.
What was surprising about this weekend’s news wasn’t the specifics of the allegations, but the fact that anything happened regarding them. Back in 2008, thanks to his sweetheart plea deal with Alex Acosta, Epstein served only 13 months of an 18 month sentence, mostly on work release, for the reduced crime of soliciting an underage prostitute. As more victims came forward and new details emerged, Epstein remained free, and the powerful men who once made up his social circle untainted by their relationships to him. The name Jeffrey Epstein became synonymous with, as Michelle Goldberg puts it, “deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes.”
If anything, QAnon was a more palatable version of this story — a rendition in which elites spent decades secretly working toward justice, in which the forces arrayed against them were supernaturally malevolent rather than simply rich and networked, and in which the president of the United States is a covert agent for good, rather than a former Epstein acquaintance and enabler. Or rather than, for that matter, a multiply accused sex abuser himself.
In that light, QAnon sounds less like a paranoid conspiracy than a kind of optimistic fantasy. The world of QAnon isn’t a happy one, but as the Epstein case demonstrates, neither is the world the rest of us live in. At least QAnon promises justice, victory, a resurrected JFK Jr., and a nice bit of drama over a holiday weekend.
mcintyre1
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Herb
Footballguy
I've been wondering about this. If a global elite pedo ring gets outed and a bunch of rich, well connected people end up in jail (hopefully), then does that justify some of the Q fervor?
But then, in Q land, Trump was the guy that was going to be responsible for nailing these POS's. What happens if he is one of those implicated and also goes down for it?
Would a q-anon adherent spontaneously implode if this happened?
Would DJT's involvement somehow just be written off as the deep state's revenge against the heroic Trump?
Are there actually any Q believers left out in the wild?
So many 'Q'uestions...
whoknew
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Henry Ford
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Herb
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Yes. I should have been more clear.
If items found in Epstein's possession or Epstein's testimony can lead to the successful prosecution of other rich, powerful, influential people that were also involved in said pedo ring, etc...
HellToupee
Footballguy
Workhorse
Footballguy
Yeah, this QANON stuff is normal/fine: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/xwnjx4/people-tell-us-how-qanon-destroyed-their-relationships?utm_campaign=sharebutton
whoknew
Footballguy
I know someone this happened to. Her husband fell prey to Q and eventually it cost them their marriage. Sad story.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Did Edward Snowden's 2013 revelations about a huge secret data center collecting everything everyone is doing online mean that Alex Jones was right?
No, it did not.
It just shows that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
These conspiracy extremists do not get to claim they're right when one of the many things they claim turns out to be true. It's all the stuff they claim that is wrong that defines whether or not they are right or wrong.
That said, the conspiracy extremists being wrong does not mean we aren't living in a plutocracy. Of course we are. It's just a chaotic plutocracy where the rich disagree on a ton of stuff. What matters is that the opinions of the non-rich masses don't matter. These conspiracy extremists actually make that situation worse as most people can't tell the difference, so when they write off the extremists, they write off those who recognize we live in a plutocracy, and thus live in the fiction of a their non-rich opinion actually has a voice in their democracy.
No, it did not.
It just shows that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
These conspiracy extremists do not get to claim they're right when one of the many things they claim turns out to be true. It's all the stuff they claim that is wrong that defines whether or not they are right or wrong.
That said, the conspiracy extremists being wrong does not mean we aren't living in a plutocracy. Of course we are. It's just a chaotic plutocracy where the rich disagree on a ton of stuff. What matters is that the opinions of the non-rich masses don't matter. These conspiracy extremists actually make that situation worse as most people can't tell the difference, so when they write off the extremists, they write off those who recognize we live in a plutocracy, and thus live in the fiction of a their non-rich opinion actually has a voice in their democracy.
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rockaction
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Guinis72
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A high school classmate posted a meme on Facebook that said:
"Epstein himself DID NOT come into federal jurisdiction! His plane did. Port Authority boarded his plane and arrested him. Epstein never touched foot on US soil before the arrest. Epstein's plan has the warrant on it! That is why his willing to put it up as collateral for bail along with his 77 mil NY location (also under seizure related to Trump EO). His lawyers are forcing the jurisdiction subject while knowing he won't get bail.
The lawyer's filing document for bail is not about getting him bail. They are attempting to put the Judge in a box. The Judge kicked the can down the road because he doesn't want to rule on bail. That is why he reaised the 3 days rule for the defendant and sent it to another Judge to hear later.
FOLKS! We have our first Military tribunal about to happen! This case is outside the civil court system!"
THIS HAS to be IT! Ready the memes for the Great Awakening!!
"Epstein himself DID NOT come into federal jurisdiction! His plane did. Port Authority boarded his plane and arrested him. Epstein never touched foot on US soil before the arrest. Epstein's plan has the warrant on it! That is why his willing to put it up as collateral for bail along with his 77 mil NY location (also under seizure related to Trump EO). His lawyers are forcing the jurisdiction subject while knowing he won't get bail.
The lawyer's filing document for bail is not about getting him bail. They are attempting to put the Judge in a box. The Judge kicked the can down the road because he doesn't want to rule on bail. That is why he reaised the 3 days rule for the defendant and sent it to another Judge to hear later.
FOLKS! We have our first Military tribunal about to happen! This case is outside the civil court system!"
THIS HAS to be IT! Ready the memes for the Great Awakening!!
ericttspikes
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timschochet
Footballguy
As I recall, the Q guy in this forum swore that North Korea would never again fire another missile.
timschochet
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Cowboysfan8
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timschochet
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OrtonToOlsen
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Oh, Staka denies being a Q supporter
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/brandon-straka-disavows-qanon-trump-rally
So this guy ends his speech with the Qanon slogan but he’s not a Qanon supporter?
Make sense. I mean I’ve often finished speeches with “Sieg Heil” but don’t read anything into it.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/brandon-straka-disavows-qanon-trump-rally
So this guy ends his speech with the Qanon slogan but he’s not a Qanon supporter?Make sense. I mean I’ve often finished speeches with “Sieg Heil” but don’t read anything into it.
