I am not a doctor but I believe they are the same thing. Maybe a "rupture" is a complete tear and a "tear" is a partial tear. I had this injury and the doctor used both terms when discussing the injury. Mine happened in essentially the same type of movement. a step back and then trying to change direction going forward and felt like someone kicked me in the back of the heel and I went down. Felt where my achilles was supposed to be and it was just mush. Strangely there really wasn't any pain but the pit of my stomach dropped as I realized what probably happened. My guess is that is why Tatum gave the reaction he gave. It was more despair having known he tore his achilles rather than it being physical pain. Just a horrible, horrible injury.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was hoping it was just a rolled ankle - but this series was already (basically) 3-1 before the injury so I wouldn't say it takes much away from winning this series*
*if they do
Anarchy99
Footballguy
My numbers are probably too high, but a lot of things at this stage are a guess or approximation. IIRC, they are projected at $74M over the cap at the moment. I think they only have 10 guys signed for next year. They are currently $22M over the 2nd apron, but when cap holds, draft picks, and re-signings are factored in, they are likely to be in worse shape than that $22M number. Some of what I have been reading as potential options involving potential moves they could make if they got under the 2nd apron first, and overall it will be really complicated to orchestrate the cap manuevering they are likely going to have to pull off.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I hope its just a rolled ankle.
There's relatively few nights where the power shifts this much in the NBA. Between Boston and GSW's championship windows seemingly closing, the Mavs and Spurs being able to ramp up for next year, and Giannis going somewhere else; the landscape of the NBA shifted meaningfully last night (nevermind Cleveland having to move something to get under the second apron).
It's going to be a wild offseason.
mr. furley
Footballguy
living the domesticated life
Kev4029
Footballguy
The Mavs winning the lottery is huge news for the franchise but they are still in an awkward place next season. With the first overall pick, they are going to be above the 1st apron and close enough to the second apron that they will have to shuffle some stuff around just to sign a PG for the tax MLE. The options are pretty slim for $5m as that will probably price them out of Russell (who wouldn't be a bad fit with all their defenders) and Dennis Schroder. Tyus Jones is probably going to be more active in looking for money rather than a place to rehab his value. His bother is probably above that level as well and a terrible fit for a team that will need shooting. I could see Chris Paul taking the role over the money elsewhere. Otherwise, it's a grab bag of guys that have no upside of being the 25th best PG or whatever in the league - Malcolm Brogdon, Spencer Dinwiddie (I assume he'll be back on a minimum), Mote Morris, Cam Payne...
And this brings me to a question for the peanut gallery - what are the odds that Nico Harrison bucks common sense again and goes after Dylan Harper as it is a position of need, rather than a PF on a team full of bigs?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Doctors Fear Worst For Jayson Tatum, With Long Recovery Ahead
Based on the video, doctors believe Jayson Tatum's injury will be a major blow to the Boston Celtics in the short and long term.
nesn.com
Then you have The Ringer
This Is the End of the Celtics as We Know Them
Jayson Tatum’s tragic injury isn’t just the nail in the coffin for Boston this year; it may have ended an entire era
www.theringer.com
And finally...
SI:AM | Jayson Tatum’s Injury Is Crushing on Multiple Levels
Good morning, I’m Dan Gartland. Check out the scene outside Madison Square Garden after the Knicks’ win. There’s nothing like New York when the Knicks are good.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Celtics twitter is a real hoot & a half today
timschochet
Footballguy
I think this might be your best thread title ever. Well done.
Zow
Footballguy
Yep. Stole it for a facebook post as well. Capella, I'll ensure credit is given (I don't think we're facebook friends).
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I’m not saying it happens here, but it’s amazing to me how many people on the internet believe the lottery is rigged. I personally see it as a 0% chance.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Nahhhh, this is bait.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah I can't imagine it being rigged given the risk of imploding the league if it ever came out that the lottery is rigged. Further, the idea that a group of differently motivated individuals would all keep this sort of secret just isn't reality.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s the No. 5 market in the Country.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
How large is the group of people who would have to be willing to comit civil if not criminal fraud and racketeering in order to rig an NBA draft lottery? I think at minimum it would require Adam Silver, every owner and probably most if not all GMs and similar team executives to all be in on team RICO.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Playback for Luka to the Lakers.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Oh, that makes at least some
sense
nirad3
Footballguy
I'm Team Ruptured Achilles, too. I saw Tatum go down and instantly thought "Achilles".
I've told the story here before, but I too didn't have any pain when I ruptured mine playing hoops. Just felt like someone threw a basketball at me and hit me in the calf. I even turned around to see if that's what had happened.
Zow
Footballguy
Right. The basis of the conspiracy theory is that the league wanted to maximize the Lakers/Lebron so it incentivized Nico to trade the Lakers Luka by ensuring them the first pick (which happens to be one of the most polished prospects in league history). This is further evidenced by Nico seemingly making no actual effort to shop Luka to any other team and then selling Luka for a few quarters on the dollar.Oh, that makes at least some
Frankly, there is some sense and logic to the theory (because getting Flagg actually makes the trade some reasonable). It just falls apart when one realizes how much effort and risk would be involved with effectuating massive fraud to further an already profitable league.
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Navin Johnson
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure it was the Achille's as well, just couldn't tell you if it was a 1st or 2nd degree tear, or a complete rupture
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Doesn't each team get to have a rep in the room to watch the balls come out of the popper?Right. The basis of the conspiracy theory is that the league wanted to maximize the Lakers/Lebron so it incentivized Nico to trade the Lakers Luka by ensuring them the first pick (which happens to be one of the most polished prospects in league history). This is further evidenced by Nico seemingly making no actual effort to shop Luka to any other team.Oh, that makes at least some
Frankly, there is some sense and logic to the theory. It just falls apart when one realizes how much effort and risk would be involved with effectuating massive fraud to further an already profitable league.
Zow
Footballguy
I assume so. Which is why @CletiusMaximus pointed out that, at a minimum, all of the owners would be involved in this conspiracy - which just naturally makes it less likely.Doesn't each team get to have a rep in the room to watch the balls come out of the popper?Right. The basis of the conspiracy theory is that the league wanted to maximize the Lakers/Lebron so it incentivized Nico to trade the Lakers Luka by ensuring them the first pick (which happens to be one of the most polished prospects in league history). This is further evidenced by Nico seemingly making no actual effort to shop Luka to any other team.Oh, that makes at least some
Frankly, there is some sense and logic to the theory. It just falls apart when one realizes how much effort and risk would be involved with effectuating massive fraud to further an already profitable league.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Ernst & Young would also have to be in on it.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Trailblazers are officially up for sale
Chemical X
Footballguy
in america, every event has a conspiracy theory. it is what sells, gets clicks and makes money. having the internet as a medium helps disseminate the nonsense.
i can crackpot some ideas; a taxi driver here suggested that jd vance assisted in killing pope francis, leading to an american pope.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don't think the lottery is rigged, but you have to wonder that the extremely rare outcomes typically happen when there is a generational player available, a team can get a local player, or there's some other situation that can be viewed as pay back by the league. Ewing, LeBron, Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, Zion, now Flagg come to mind. It also seems that when the draft is pretty meh without a clear top option, that's when the teams with the highest probability typically get the top spot.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah but lotteries with guys like Duncan, Wemby, Edwards, etc. all seem to refute your claim.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I asked the guy guarding me if he accidentally kicked my heel. He said he didn't touch me and my stomach sank. Then I felt the mush and new it was bad.
I don't think a 1st or 2nd degree strain (tear) makes you go down like that. It's a pretty distinct reaction to the complete rupture of the tendon. Couple that with Tatum's reaction on the ground and in the wheel chair and I think it's fairly obvious what happened.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Also, Cavs got the top pick (Kyrie Irving) after LeBron left for Miami.
Zippy McGriff
Footballguy
I'm not really that into basketball but grew up in New England cheering for the Celtics back when I loved all sports. I grew up with Bird, McHale, Robert Parish, DJ, Danny Ainge, and we'll throw Walton in there for good measure. What a bummer about Tatum.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Kyrie wasn't a lock. He barely played his only year at Duke.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think I said he was a "lock" but they did get the top pick and he was a consensus top pick.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Yeah, but for the whole rigged lottery it would only be for drafts with generational talents. You wouldn't rig a random draft.
Duncan, Shaq, Flagg, Zion, Wemby etc.
The drafts with Edwards, Cade, Kyrie etc wouldn't be the drafts they wouldn't rig.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not going to argue minutia with you but part of the equation is after a team loses its star they end up with the top pick and I was referring to that.
Sorry if you felt the need to jump in and correct someone.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I'm not going to argue minutia with you but part of the equation is after a team loses its star they end up with the top pick and I was referring to that.
Sorry if you felt the need to jump in and correct someone.
Or the Cavs had the second worst record in the league and one of the best chanves to get a top pick.
Instinctive
Footballguy
The main reason the lottery is rigged talk is, at the end of the day, dumb, is because WAY too many people are involved for it to remain secret.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And the number of bandwagon fans continues to grow for the Knicks
Astonishing
Closeout game for the Knicks, 1st time since like '99 I'm hearing?
Knicks are underdogs and the Celtics -5 right now, unbelievable
Astonishing
Closeout game for the Knicks, 1st time since like '99 I'm hearing?
Knicks are underdogs and the Celtics -5 right now, unbelievable
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You win.I'm not going to argue minutia with you but part of the equation is after a team loses its star they end up with the top pick and I was referring to that.
Sorry if you felt the need to jump in and correct someone.
Or the Cavs had the second worst record in the league and one of the best chanves to get a top pick.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
More fans are willing to pay exorbitant prices the better the team is and more important the games are.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
The Tatum injury has scared me away from wanting to push in a lot of chips for Giannis and his max contract ... not just Tatum, but also the recent injuries to other max contracts, Kyrie and Dame; they add to the fright. I have not forgotten Giannis' calf issues in the playoffs the previous season either.
Also , I am quickly warming up to the idea of a three guard rotation of Fox-Castle-Harper. Then go grab Kornet and present a 3-2 (3 guards, 2 Bigs) lineup to match up what the thunder are cooking.
That leaves Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Sochan, and 15 min/game CP3 to round out the rotation. And Blake Wesley (still have hopes he can develop into rotational level guy) and the #14 pick overall to round out the team. Not bad. Still leaves us with a nice cache of draft capital and an easy to manage salary structure.
Sheesh, It was not that long ago Jeremy Sochan was our starting PG.
That 2028 Boston swap is looking very sexy right now, though it is top-1 protected.
Also , I am quickly warming up to the idea of a three guard rotation of Fox-Castle-Harper. Then go grab Kornet and present a 3-2 (3 guards, 2 Bigs) lineup to match up what the thunder are cooking.
That leaves Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Sochan, and 15 min/game CP3 to round out the rotation. And Blake Wesley (still have hopes he can develop into rotational level guy) and the #14 pick overall to round out the team. Not bad. Still leaves us with a nice cache of draft capital and an easy to manage salary structure.
Sheesh, It was not that long ago Jeremy Sochan was our starting PG.
That 2028 Boston swap is looking very sexy right now, though it is top-1 protected.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
@General Malaise now that the Blazers are for sale let me know where we can help get a bid together for the team. I can get well into the three figures!
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'll start busking at the airport and collecting bottles and cans!
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Tatum had averaged almost 90 games a year with the playoffs with no major injuries. Seems really odd to write off everyone because they might get hurt.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Knicks have one of the most loyal fan bases in the league. They fill the Garden every game even during the lien years.
Sure, some may be more active and outspoken during a good playoff run but to claim they're bandwagon fans is misguided - also a little ironic.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Seems odd to suggest I wrote off everyone when I didn't.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I also mean the number of Heat fans as an example that suddenly are pulling for the Knicks
I understand why, despite my dislike of both teams, it's hard not to root for Jalen Brunson, he works hard and I think most fans appreciate him.
I don't dislike Tatum and my stomach churned watching that happen last night
But if you ask around South Florida, think most folks would prefer the Knicks and that's crazy if you understand the history between Heat-Knicks going back to the 90s
And the Knicks are on the road so I messed that up, for some reason i was thinking the Knicks were having a closeout game at home on Wed, that couldn't happen until Game 6 which I don't see how the Boston Celtics manage to win Game 5 if Tatum is not only OUT but also has a long term injury, that would take a huge mental tool on everyone.
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