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We overpaid in draft capital for Tyrod.  I still think the deal makes sense especially if we plan to draft a QB high.  Now we got a guy on a 1 year deal rather than pay a competent QB for 3 or more years.  

Bottom line, we absolutely HAD to get a REAL QB on the roster.  
Nobody should be disputing your last point. 

You do realize we're going to have to pay a competent QB next offseason to be the backup to whoever we draft in what likely will be a multi year contract?  Can't keep signing backups to 1 year deals.  

 
Nobody should be disputing your last point. 

You do realize we're going to have to pay a competent QB next offseason to be the backup to whoever we draft in what likely will be a multi year contract?  Can't keep signing backups to 1 year deals.  
This is true, but it also won't be an issue since we'll have our QB on a rookie contract for 4 more years.

 
Nobody should be disputing your last point. 

You do realize we're going to have to pay a competent QB next offseason to be the backup to whoever we draft in what likely will be a multi year contract?  Can't keep signing backups to 1 year deals.  
Yeah but we wont need someone like taylor or to spend nearly as much

 
Joe Thomas is returning for 2018 season, per Mike Silver

Glad to hear it, but he'll need to bulk up again.  JT has lost some weight for a lineman.  Should also try to find his replacement in the draft and let him sit/learn for a year.
That is huge.

We don't have to reach for OT help in the 1st but can use one of our 2nd rounders on a developmental guy and let him sit an learn behind the master.  

I like Kolton Miller, tested out as one of the most athletic OTs at the Combine but raw and needs work.  I really like him in the 2nd round.

 
I usually think your team does stupid ### stuff and you guys think they make great picks and moves.  Outcome falls my way.

Shouldn't be a surprise the I really like the Kizer pick and most of the Browns fans here hate it.
That was from last April.

This is from Saturday.

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Some of you Browns fans would have a a lot more credibility if you didn't consider every trade made a great trade.

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We don't consider every trade or draft pick good.  Many of us tell it like it is.

Not a coincidence that Dorsey made a flurry of moves right before free agency.

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#Browns deliberately made all the moves on the cusp of free agency to bolster their profile to other potential FA additions. It's working.

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This is true, but it also won't be an issue since we'll have our QB on a rookie contract for 4 more years.
Never said it was going to be an issue.  Just that we could have made the bridge QB/future backup QB a 3/4 year FA signing now and kept 3.01.  Like I said, they have alot more information than we do, so I'm sure there are reasons.  And maybe they could not equate the two into 1 player.

 
The plan is for Ndamukong Suh to be released as early as today as the Dolphins continue their attempt at a culture change – a plan that has purged arguably Miami’s three most talented players within last year. A lot riding on 2018.

- Jeff Darlington

...... Could this be why they parted w Shelton?
Why? Suh is a better player but don't think his game fits any better than Shelton's. Just MHO.

Hearing that JT is coming back, them sending Danny boy packing just makes me think that they are targeting Chubb at 4.

 
Never said it was going to be an issue.  Just that we could have made the bridge QB/future backup QB a 3/4 year FA signing now and kept 3.01.  Like I said, they have alot more information than we do, so I'm sure there are reasons.  And maybe they could not equate the two into 1 player.
I think they were looking for a combo best starter for 18 and influence on whoever is drafted #1.  I think it's pretty difficult to argue anyone available is a better fit than Taylor.  You could argue there are better free agents, but will they be willing to mentor the rook?  And a lesser talented QB would make it difficult to avoid repeating the mistake this team is prone to - rushing along the rook before it's time.

Yes, Taylor is playing for a starting job elsewhere in 19, but there's only reasons for him to help the rook along too - and everything I know about him is that he plays the good solider regardless of circumstances.  And he was given lots of reasons to sour on Buffalo - but he didn't.

Of course I'd rather keep 3.1, but if having him helps our future starter and maybe attract some free agents that wouldn't have prior - worth it.  There's a time and a place to set our sights on a stable backup, but I don't think that time is now.

 
ghostguy123 said:
I am convinced that we finally have a competent starting QB on the roster.  

Read Macs post.  Sums it up well.
Me too. Not debating that one bit. My posts sum up my position well.

 
With Taylor they will have far fewer turnovers, which alone should result in some wins, as long as Hue doesn't get in the way.  Why was he retained again?

 
lollers, first effing sentence

Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.
Even better....

* Josh Gordon, David Njoku, Duke Johnson: Adding a proven, prolific slot receiver such as Landry (400 catches over four years) should discourage defenses from concentrating coverage on any one receiving target. The more-the-merrier principle taxes all areas of the field and allows the quarterback to distribute to the one who wins his matchup.

* Landry: The Browns eventually will replace the $16 million one-year salary they inherited with a contract that may approach $60 million over four years, which would make him the highest-paid slot receiver who averages 10 yards a catch in history.
Unless the Browns also traded for a 5th quarter, they's no way bringing in Landry to catch 100 balls helps 3 other receivers.  Should have left it at helping the overall offense rather than going overboard.

LOL and claiming the Browns are a "winner" and then supporting that with the dig that he's overpaid for 10 ypr.  And Landry isn't a winner relative to where he could have ended up.

 
News is that Dorsey is pushing hard for Solder right now.  You know it's true when MKC piles on with her regurgitation of other's online work.

Even if Joe comes back (there are rumors posted elsewhere he will be), CLE needs to find his heir apparent and prep him this year.  Would it be bad to sign Solder to play LT, move JT to RT and enjoy having a rock solid oline this season?
I think it'd be crazy to move Joe regardless, but especially if he plays lighter as he almost certainly would have to.

 
Sign Solder even if Joe plays this year?? 

Yeah why not.  We would probably have Solder like 4 years.  

We probably aren't going to make any splashes in FA coming up, just a hunch.  MAYBE one guy like a corner or something

 
We probably aren't going to make any splashes in FA coming up, just a hunch.  MAYBE one guy like a corner or something
Man...the Cousins to Minny news today really must've done a number on you.  I know he was your big FA get this off season, but to go from one extreme to another is a big shift.  We may not see a lot of splashy big signings, but I think we'll get a few good ones and then some back up type players.  I'd expect Pryor, T.Johnson, and maybe Solder - along with some nice role players.  But to say we're not going to do anything?  Buck-up little buckaroo!!  Things are just getting started!

 
Sign Solder even if Joe plays this year?? 

Yeah why not.  We would probably have Solder like 4 years.  

We probably aren't going to make any splashes in FA coming up, just a hunch.  MAYBE one guy like a corner or something
Solder and a CB would have me poppin' wood.

 
Is TT a poor man's Alex Smith?
For the most part.  He doesn't turn the ball over and has done well with little around him.  I still see him as a bridge QB, but he could surprise some people.  He didn't have a lot of WR talent in Buff, so having Gordon, Landry, Njoku, and Duke (along with another WR - Pryor?, and RB FA) - this could be the best supporting cast Tyrod has had around him.  As long as he makes smart football decisions and doesn't turn the ball over he will do just fine.

 
For the most part.  He doesn't turn the ball over and has done well with little around him.  I still see him as a bridge QB, but he could surprise some people.  He didn't have a lot of WR talent in Buff, so having Gordon, Landry, Njoku, and Duke (along with another WR - Pryor?, and RB FA) - this could be the best supporting cast Tyrod has had around him.  As long as he makes smart football decisions and doesn't turn the ball over he will do just fine.
Sure he did: Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Matthews, Benjamin, Zay Jones, McCoy, Clay - most of those guys went on to be much better once they got away from Taylor.

 
Sure he did: Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Matthews, Benjamin, Zay Jones, McCoy, Clay - most of those guys went on to be much better once they got away from Taylor.
Not saying anything bad about Buff talent, just my opinions.  The bolded I'll give you, but the others are iffy.  McCoy and Clay benefited the most from Taylor. 

Watkins I think benefited by not being the #1 WR on the team.  He's better suited as a #2, IMO. With that said, his numbers actually went down in LA vs his time in Buff.

Woods maintained the same level of play in LA as he had in Buff, which was decent as a role player - not a top talent.  

Hogan had a good 2016, but fell back into the same level of play in Buff, which was decent as a role player - not a top talent.  One could argue his uptick in 2016 was due to the numerous injuries NE had in their WR corps and Hogan was the recipient due to being healthy and on the field (no one else to throw to).

Benjamin was there for 6 games, he didn't provide much. 

The one thing Buff has/had over CLE, IMO, was the depth talent at WR.  That cupboard is bare in CLE.  There is Gordon and Landry, then that's it.  Coleman, Louis, et al aren't worth anything - even with a decent QB.  

Taylor will raise the level of play, but he still needs to have good talent around him - which is why I think he'll be a stable bridge QB.  He's not the end-all, be-all at QB, but better than anything we've seen for some time now.

 
Not saying anything bad about Buff talent, just my opinions.  The bolded I'll give you, but the others are iffy.  McCoy and Clay benefited the most from Taylor. 

Watkins I think benefited by not being the #1 WR on the team.  He's better suited as a #2, IMO. With that said, his numbers actually went down in LA vs his time in Buff.

Woods maintained the same level of play in LA as he had in Buff, which was decent as a role player - not a top talent.  

Hogan had a good 2016, but fell back into the same level of play in Buff, which was decent as a role player - not a top talent.  One could argue his uptick in 2016 was due to the numerous injuries NE had in their WR corps and Hogan was the recipient due to being healthy and on the field (no one else to throw to).

Benjamin was there for 6 games, he didn't provide much. 

The one thing Buff has/had over CLE, IMO, was the depth talent at WR.  That cupboard is bare in CLE.  There is Gordon and Landry, then that's it.  Coleman, Louis, et al aren't worth anything - even with a decent QB.  

Taylor will raise the level of play, but he still needs to have good talent around him - which is why I think he'll be a stable bridge QB.  He's not the end-all, be-all at QB, but better than anything we've seen for some time now.
Not sure how you can say that about Cleveland, specifically Coleman when you look at the QBs they (he) had.

 
Not sure how you can say that about Cleveland, specifically Coleman when you look at the QBs they (he) had.
Not a fan of Coleman.  I think he was a wasted pick, definitely not as good as advertised.  He hasn't come along much at all and is barely a role player on a WR starved team.  For being a 1st rnd pick, that's not too good.  I'd be shocked if he is on the team when training camp starts.  I think he'll be traded between now and the draft.

CLE hasn't had any WRs, but they also haven't had much in the way of QB talent.  It's bad when Pryor was a top WR after only playing a position for less than two years.  Gordon had a great year with multiple sub-par QBs throwing to him.  I'm interested in how him and Njoku due with a legit QB like Taylor.  He's not a world-beater, FQB - but Tyrod is better than anything CLE has seen in a long time.

 
What're the odds CLE picks up another veteran QB?  Whether McCarron or McCown, it wouldn't hurt if it's a less than market value.  I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of 2 deep veteran buffer at the QB position to ensure the Rookie QB doesn't get to the field too early, if at all in 2018.

 
What're the odds CLE picks up another veteran QB?  Whether McCarron or McCown, it wouldn't hurt if it's a less than market value.  I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of 2 deep veteran buffer at the QB position to ensure the Rookie QB doesn't get to the field too early, if at all in 2018.
Increasing every minute...

Mind boggling that Hue was going to give up two 2nds for him.

 
With Bradford going to ARI and Cousins in MIN and Keenum in DEN, the windows are closing for some of these guys.  There's still NYJ, but who else is looking for a QB?  The market which was once open for business has tightened up a little bit, which will favor CLE.  Now FA QBs will visit looking to get paid, knowing that there aren't many open starting jobs out there now.

 
With Bradford going to ARI and Cousins in MIN and Keenum in DEN, the windows are closing for some of these guys.  There's still NYJ, but who else is looking for a QB?  The market which was once open for business has tightened up a little bit, which will favor CLE.  Now FA QBs will visit looking to get paid, knowing that there aren't many open starting jobs out there now.
Jets and Bills have the biggest need left.  Sounds like the Jets are going to go after Teddy and the Bills are looking to leap into the top 5 of the draft (hello, Browns).

 
Sounds like the Jets are going to go after Teddy
Was just coming to post the same thing.  Doors are closing quickly for the FA QBs.

Heard CLE is kicking tires on DB, WR, and RB for sure right now.  It'll be interesting to see what transpires by tomorrow.  :popcorn:

 
Hope most of you aren't on the Barkley wagon like Soulfly is.  I see disappointment down the road for you.  It's lining up to be QB + Chubb or QB + trade, in my opinion.  

 
Hope most of you aren't on the Barkley wagon like Soulfly is.  I see disappointment down the road for you.  It's lining up to be QB + Chubb or QB + trade, in my opinion.  
It's starting to look that way isn't it.  I think Hill or Hyde may be in the cards for CLE, along with a rookie RB.  Take a QB at 1 and then either take Chubb or trade #4 is how I see it playing out.  As much as I like Barkley, I do think you need to get a QB first and then look at the next hole to fill.  DE may be a luxury at 4, which is why I think they'll trade out (Buff maybe?) and try to fill multiple holes in the 1st (Ridley?, McGlinchey?, Vea?, Payne? J. Jackson?).  I wouldn't be upset with Guice, or even K.Johnson, if Barkley isn't the selection.

 
What're the odds CLE picks up another veteran QB?  Whether McCarron or McCown, it wouldn't hurt if it's a less than market value.  I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of 2 deep veteran buffer at the QB position to ensure the Rookie QB doesn't get to the field too early, if at all in 2018.
Would love to see McCown back here as a backup. LOVE I SAID! He is a player coach at this point with more coach than player left in the tank.

Hope most of you aren't on the Barkley wagon like Soulfly is.  I see disappointment down the road for you.  It's lining up to be QB + Chubb or QB + trade, in my opinion.  
QB + Chubb IMO. Made room ditching Shelton, I'd rather not trade out of it but if the deal is good you can't pass it up. Pick up Guise in the 2nd if he's still around. :pickle:

 
DE Chris Smith expected to agree to terms with the Cleveland Browns - 3yr deal per Peter Schrager

He was a rotational DL for Bengals last year.  Per Zegura:

Smith as was discussed on @Browns_Daily as a potential target can play end or inside on pass rushing downs....3 sacks last year with Cincy, 5 QB hits and 16 hurries....would have had 2nd best Pass rush productivity score on @Browns a year ago
You can probably say goodbye to Orchard or Nassib with this pick up.  May not be a starter, but solid depth.  

 
beer 30 said:
Would love to see McCown back here as a backup
And McCown went back to NYJ. 

Cue McCarron sitting in a booth singing Celine Dion......"Alllllll byyyyy myyyy-sellllffffffff......."   :(

 
Nobody had better be counting on us taking a RB in the top four picks.

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Past 2-day developments suggest a mad QB rush is coming at top of draft. Great year to have a pick in there to trade out of & land a bounty.

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If Joe doesn't sign....

... then it looks like we'll be trading down with the #4 pick and I bet....

 we'll be taking an OT later in the 1st.

 
Peak said:
Man...the Cousins to Minny news today really must've done a number on you.  I know he was your big FA get this off season, but to go from one extreme to another is a big shift.  We may not see a lot of splashy big signings, but I think we'll get a few good ones and then some back up type players.  I'd expect Pryor, T.Johnson, and maybe Solder - along with some nice role players.  But to say we're not going to do anything?  Buck-up little buckaroo!!  Things are just getting started!
Well, when you don't sign the only available QB that makes you a playoff contender, your philosophy has to change a bit.  You can't spend all the cap space yet if you are gonna draft a QB at 1 and not be able to really win for a year or two. 

And I said, no SPLASHES (would Solder even count as a splash if he is just replacing Thomas?).  I didnt say we wont sign anyone

 
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If Joe doesn't sign....

... then it looks like we'll be trading down with the #4 pick and I bet....

 we'll be taking an OT later in the 1st.
Is there an OT worth signing in the 1st? We just signed a beast from DEN, rather not waste a 1st rounder on OL unless he's a stud.

 

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