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I'm not so sure about Miami having more talent than the Bulls
Rodman and Pippen are both HOF players
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Rodman and Pippen are both HOF players
Wrigley
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Ilov80s
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Allen in Miami isn't even an all star caliber player yet alone a HoF player.
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Ilov80s
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Rodman led the NBA in rebounds per game all 3 years in Chicago and was one time all 1st defensive team.
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Yenrub
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AAABatteries
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Hmm, that one is close as I think Rodman was closer to his prime at that point than Wade is now. If all 4 are in their prime I think it makes it really close. The reason I tend to agree with you is that I think Pippen is one of the most underrated players because of Jordan.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
1 time and he was pre-Rodman, but he was a real quality player, comparable to Bosh.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Pippen averaged 17.7 ppg with CHI, Wade on the other hand 24.3 w/MIA(over 20 w/Bron)
Bosh is 10x the scorer that Rodman was.....really apples to oranges.
Real question is, which team would win now!!!
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Pippen who I hated when he played, was an 8-time all defensive first team player, has double the amount of career rebounds and steals than Wade does, and almost averaged the same amount of assists. I don't think Wade is in Pippen's tier, and I don't think Bosh is in Rodman's either. Horace Grant and Bosh, now we're talking.
Terpman22
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And the 97-98 season was his 7th year in a row leading the league in RPG. End of the road? Mmmok.
Sure, Pippen was lighting up the scoring, but then again, MJ scored more PPG than, well, anyone. Ever.
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If these two teams played in their prime, I think the Bulls would win. However, LaBron is the most physically gifted player to ever play basketball, quite possibly the best athlete ever in professional sports. It would be hard to put Rodman on him because that would take him too far away from the basket, so Pippen would have drawn coverage on LeBron most of the time. Pippen is one of the greatest defensive players to ever play at the small forward position, and I think LeBron would abuse him.
But LeBron would also have to check Jordan, and I think that would wear him down some. The other parts of these teams are all moving, Kerr vs Allen, Grant vs Bosh, Kucoc vs Wade, Haslem v Scott Williams, etc. But to me it's Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan vs LeBron and two lesser players in Wade and Bosh that would just be too much for the Heat. The Shaq/Kobe lakers teams may have hung with those Bulls, but I'm not sure anyone since could have.
Bulls over Heat in five games, maybe six if LeBron takes the proper amount of shots.
But LeBron would also have to check Jordan, and I think that would wear him down some. The other parts of these teams are all moving, Kerr vs Allen, Grant vs Bosh, Kucoc vs Wade, Haslem v Scott Williams, etc. But to me it's Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan vs LeBron and two lesser players in Wade and Bosh that would just be too much for the Heat. The Shaq/Kobe lakers teams may have hung with those Bulls, but I'm not sure anyone since could have.
Bulls over Heat in five games, maybe six if LeBron takes the proper amount of shots.
Cliff Clavin
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Yeah, looking strictly at points is not at all fair to Rodman and Pippen who were all world defenders.
Ghost Rider
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Should we discuss the difference in head coaches as well?
Brony
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with global warming, game time temps have to be hotter now. Can't ignore that.
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I remember when the NBA was my favorite league, but it seems like it was a long time ago. 
Gr00vus
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I also think the teams Jordan had to cut his teeth on before he broke through were much better than anything James has had to face. Getting out of the east was brutal back in the 80's. Not just the Sixers, Celtics and Pistons, but teams like the Bucks and the Hawks were rough too.
Brony
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Knicks were no cupcakes either
Wade in his prime was clearly better than Pippen. But I'd give Pippen the edge if we are comparing their impacts in these respective 3 year stretches. For one, Wade just doesn't play as much due to injuries, and second, Pippen's game is much better suited to be a superstar's sidekick.
Bosh - Rodman is close, but I'd probably take Rodman for the first of the 3 years and then Bosh for the next two. Rodman's defense dropped off some (partially contributed to by his desire to maintain his rebounding numbers) after the 72 win season, and in particular was a bit of a letdown in the postseason. He wasn't the same player he was in Detroit. In fact, I can't think of any other player that I'd like to see defend LeBron than the Pistons' Rodman.
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Gr00vus
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Yeah, put me down as not on board with the notion that Wade in his prime was better than Pippen in his, to put it mildly.
Abraham
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Yeah, put me down as not on board with the notion that Wade in his prime was better than Pippen in his, to put it mildly.[/quote
There are actually people that think this?
pollardsvision
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Yeah, I'll take Pippen over Wade.
AAABatteries
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I'm assuming #4 is Bosh? I haven't looked but I'd be surprised if is put him in if his career ended this year. I think he needs more seasons. The other 3 are locks.Abraham said:
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Abraham said:Pippen was the better defender, no doubt, but offensively it wasn't even close. People must be forgetting how devastatingly awesome Wade was in the late 00s.Gr00vus said:Yeah, put me down as not on board with the notion that Wade in his prime was better than Pippen in his, to put it mildly.[/quoteAbraham said:
There are actually people that think this?
Kev4029
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Basketball Reference's HOF predictor has him as the 8th most likely player to get into the HOF of all active players, and I believe that is without counting his Olympic medals. Hes a lock.
Abraham
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Why is that so hard to believe? Would it be better if he were still 24:10 on a bad team? Ahd he's actually a 9 time all star.
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I don't agree with any of this except Rodman was better in Detroit than he was in Chicago, but it is pretty close. I think Rodman is exponentially better than Bosh, but maybe that's because I just don't think that much of Bosh.Popinski said:
The Wade argument is weak because had Pippen sat out half the season for his last X amount of years like Wade does, he'd have had better average statistics. Wade is a great player, but he's a sidekick also IMO. He never won without Shaq or LeBron, and never will.
Ghost Rider
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How did that work out in 1987? 1988? 1989? 1990? 1995?Brony said:
See, this is my problem with some Jordan fans: they act like he prevented the Bulls from ever losing, when that was not true. Yes, they won six titles, but they also lost plenty of playoff games and series, as well.
Okay, but Miami didn't get the Hall of Fame player Ray Allen; they got an over the hill "past his prime" Ray Allen who can still hit a big 3 and be a good role player. That's all.Abraham said:
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Doctor Detroit
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Chris Bosh as a HOF "lock," is the reason the NBA no longer interests me.
Abraham
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I understand your point of view. And I used to really dislike bosh. But he is a good player who does a couple things very very well. He's also smart enough to realize that nba history is full of alpha dogs that never got any help and never mattered in the grand scheme of things. It is entirely possible (likely) that one of the most prolific scorers and best rebounding small forwards of the last decade will never advance to the nba finals or win an MVP. Same with possibly the best point guard of all time. Bosh is a big big part of the teams success.
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cstu
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No one is talking about him dominating before 1991. He was a finesse player early in his career (6-6, 195) but was a very different player after he put on 20 lbs. of muscle. Remember that the game back then was physical and teams could get away with things they'd never be able to today.
Of course he lost games but he never lost a playoff series for the Bulls when he was playing the whole season.
1991: 8-1 vs. two 50+ win teams (Pistons/Lakers) in the last two series
1992: 12-7 vs. three 50+ win teams (Knicks/Cavs/Blazers) in the last three series
1993: 12-4 vs. one 50+ win team (Cavs) and two 60+ win teams (Knicks/Suns) in the last three series
1995: 8-2 vs. two 60+ win teams (Magic/Sonics) in the last two series
1996: 12-4 vs. one 50+ win team (Hawks) and two 60+ win teams (Heat/Jazz) in the last three series
1997: 12-4 vs. two 50+ win team (Hornets/Pacers) and one 60+ win team (Jazz) in the last three series
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1994-5 does not belong in a reasonable discussion, but they did beat the 50 win Bobcats before losing to the 57 win Magic.
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