whoknew
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Oh - has he read the warrant applications?
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****Official DOJ Investigation into Trump, Fake Electors, Fraud, Etc.**** (1 Viewer)
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Oh - has he read the warrant applications?
the moops
Footballguy
Why would they look in a safe for emails?I think the Hillary search warrant was to open emails - not to have 30 FBI agents ransack her residence and break into her safe.Hillary was investigated over it, wasn’t she?
Served search warrants?
Inside the Clinton Email Search Warrant
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
but what about Hillary's emails and hunter bidens labtop???
Not sure I understand. I’ll just cut to the chase - based on what I know right now… I think the Left grossly overplayed their hand here, and it will backfire. I hate Trump, but this is wrong. The President can declassify anything, so the whole case here is in shaky ground to be behin with. Then factoring in the Russia collusion hoax, the whitewashing of Hilary, Hunter, even James Comey malfeasance…. You have to be blind if you think the DOJ and FBI aren’t making politically motivated decisions. This will not end well.I think the Hillary search warrant was to open emails - not to have 30 FBI agents ransack her residence and break into her safe.Hillary was investigated over it, wasn’t she?
Served search warrants?
Inside the Clinton Email Search Warrant
Further evidence that there is more to the Trump evidence than was to Clinton's.
whoknew
Footballguy
Not sure I understand. I’ll just cut to the chase - based on what I know right now… I think the Left grossly overplayed their hand here, and it will backfire. I hate Trump, but this is wrong. The President can declassify anything, so the whole case here is in shaky ground to be behin with. Then factoring in the Russia collusion hoax, the whitewashing of Hilary, Hunter, even James Comey malfeasance…. You have to be blind if you think the DOJ and FBI aren’t making politically motivated decisions. This will not end well.I think the Hillary search warrant was to open emails - not to have 30 FBI agents ransack her residence and break into her safe.Hillary was investigated over it, wasn’t she?
Served search warrants?
Inside the Clinton Email Search Warrant
Further evidence that there is more to the Trump evidence than was to Clinton's.
My point is and continues to be - you (and none of us) have any idea what evidence was in the warrant application. As a result, none of us can say this is a witch hunt or unwarranted. Unless, of course, you think an ex-President should never be prosecuted for anything.
sho nuff
Footballguy
and who is it that appointed the FBI Director?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Function exists…but have to go back and update your list.
timschochet
Footballguy
When I read Trump and his defenders complain about this raid, and that Trump is being victimized here, I keep thinking about the Central Park Five, In case anyone can’t recall, they were the group of black teenagers that were arrested without evidence, tortured into giving false confessions, and then held in prison for years (Trump wanted them executed.) They were all exonerated 20 years later but they never got their lives back.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Looks like we need to rebuild the lists, but it actually completely removes the post from your view by default and it's also ignored in quoted posts. Works pretty well IMO
Sand
Footballguy
Marc Elias believes that this is the reason why. This can possibly can be used to bar Trump from trying to be elected again. Interestingly these records were packed up by GSA, sent to Mar-a-Lago, and kept in a locked room. The FBI reviewed these freely a couple months ago.
Honestly I'm confused in this whole deal. Why a raid when they had free access a couple months ago?
Honestly I'm confused in this whole deal. Why a raid when they had free access a couple months ago?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Now sure yet, need to see what they got.
When they break the law, yes.
Trump had four years to prosecute Hillary for her transgressions and corruptions. One of his biggest failures. That said, I suspect Trump gave her a pass because him and Bill hung around with Epstein.
Yeah, something should have been done about that. Unfurtunately we had 4 years of of an administration appointing numbskulls that didn't deal with it.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Had to give Trump time to clear out anything Epstein related.
Sand
Footballguy
He doesn't, but it seems strange to raid the home due to this. Almost assuredly there will be the expectation that this raid will result in a prosecution of some sort. Why do something this public with 100 FBI agents if no prosecution?
And let's remember the political reality for prosecuting these type of cases. Ignoring Hillary, the most egregious case was Sandy Berger who got caught taking classified documents out hidden in his socks. He was charged with a misdemeanor.
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The Central Park 5 was a terrible tragedy - on all fronts. But there are a few inaccuracies in your accounting of it:
- There was physical evidence. There was a hair found on the victim that was a dna match to one of the 5. Turns out the science of the dna match proved later to be incorrect, but they weren’t convicted without any evidence. They also confessed to the police, though the confessions were coerced.
- They weren’t tortured. They were deprived sleep and food for a period, but not tortured. They were still mistreated though.
- They were exonerated 12 years after their conviction, at which time only 1 of the 5 was still in jail. The other 4 served 5-7 years.
- The Left painted Trump’s ad as racist but it wasn’t. Though his ad was undoubtedly prompted by the horror of that rape, his ad was more of a broad indictment of the state of lawlessness in 1989. He did not specifically call for the cp5 to be given the death penalty. The only time race was mentioned was when Trump stated that all races - white, black, Asian, etc - should be able to walk in the city without fear.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Rumor has it the FBI was acting on a tip called in by Don ReSantis
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
He also refused to admit they were innocent, even after they had been cleared
No, that evidence was in Clinton’s house.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Good to see things headed in the right direction.
Indeed. He’s an ***. Everyone knows that. I’m just being to light all the lies that have been told over the years. One of the first times Trump was asked to admit being wrong was in a question from April Ryan, where she baited Trump by incorrectly saying his ad said “they should die.” https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1141079501633413120?s=21&t=HWO5X3fyGgMujor1Gh_Gdg
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Doubt it. Clinton is smarter than that and has long since cleansed anything that would hang him.
Because they are hoping to find J6 material, that’s why.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
the fox news meltdown is amazing
Unless Trump is legally prevented from holding office, this probably hurts DeSantis by helping Trump. 5-D chess by Brandon.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
probably in the safe
It’s not just FoxNews. It’s everywhere. This is a level of anger I’ve never seen on the Right. On the same day that Democrats add 87,000 IRS agents. It really does feel like Totalitarianism to many Conservatives, and I think the Left is largely unaware of the level of anger here.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Didn’t he plead it down to a misdemeanor?
sho nuff
Footballguy
If only the right was that angry about January 6th or Trumps actual behavior just once. That would be nice. But yes…get mad over what appears to be a properly served warrant because of actual improper actions by Trump.
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Sand
Footballguy
The point is the worst case I can remember by a politico is that result. Does something like that really justify a raid like what we had today? I hope they have way, way more that they found over and above some dispute over classified documents that the FBI had access to in any case. Otherwise this will justifiably be called political persecution. I'm reserving judgment, but damn the FBI better bring the goods, i.e. Kirk Gibson style homer level goods.
I actually thought I missed this forum while it was down for a week. I stand corrected.
sho nuff
Footballguy
First…serving a warrant is not exactly a raid. We should probably stop referring to it that way. The secret service was informed it was going to happen and cooperated.
-fish-
Footballguy
New ignore function also ignores people quoting a post from an ignored user. Huge improvement.
Sand
Footballguy
100 FBI agents showing up unannounced (Secret Service notwithstanding) is absolutely a raid. Heck, they brought a safecracker! (Word is the safe was empty).
-fish-
Footballguy
Why would he remove any classified documents from the White House in the first place?
moleculo
Footballguy
WI really don't get it.
6 years ago, y'all were demanding the FBI investigate Hillary, chanting it over and over at campaign rallies.
Today, the FBI finally looks into what we all knew was happening, and you whine about political persecution.
Was "Lock her up" nothing but political persecution, and we should assume presidential candidates should never be investigated for anything?
6 years ago, y'all were demanding the FBI investigate Hillary, chanting it over and over at campaign rallies.
Today, the FBI finally looks into what we all knew was happening, and you whine about political persecution.
Was "Lock her up" nothing but political persecution, and we should assume presidential candidates should never be investigated for anything?
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Even if he has classified documents, which doesn't appear to be in dispute:
1) Is this illegal for a former President?
2) What type, or how sensitive, would this information be to justify the political fall-out of this? There would have to be something huge to justify this, not just classified information, but the type that would be leave no doubt. Any ideas on what that could even be? Trump in contact directly with far right groups for Jan 6?
1) Is this illegal for a former President?
2) What type, or how sensitive, would this information be to justify the political fall-out of this? There would have to be something huge to justify this, not just classified information, but the type that would be leave no doubt. Any ideas on what that could even be? Trump in contact directly with far right groups for Jan 6?
the moops
Footballguy
Yea, this can't just be a simple "he had 100 classified documents" thing. Unless they knew those things were huge, but also knew that they would be there exactly when they raided. I mean, this dude, if true, took these docs over 7 months ago. If it is about those docs, they must have known that they were in his house at that moment.
Good questions. There’s an obscure Federal Law - Section 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code — that makes it a crime if someone who has custody of government documents or records “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys” them.
If convicted, defendants can be fined or sentenced to prison for up to three years. In addition, the statute says, if they are currently in a federal office, they “shall forfeit” that office, and they shall “be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
This tweet is correct: "Nope, can't impose qualifications on holding the presidency by statute—the qualifications are set out in the Constitution. The search for 'one weird trick' to banish Trump from politics will have to continue."
The president can declassify anything he wants. I don't know what the procedure is for doing that, but maybe Trump will claim that he declassified everything that ended up at Mar-a-Lago.
Otherwise, yes, mishandling classified documents is illegal. And these documents are apparently "so sensitive they may not be able to be described in forthcoming inventory reports in an unclassified way" (link).
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
First they came for Trump, and I said nothing, because dude has been getting away with crimes for literally his entire adult life
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