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1. Brady and Moss were out of the game for basically all of the 4th Q - when do you want them pulled??2. You can't play the game thinking about injuries- listen to coaches talk, they all say this.
They do? I don't wonder that ever. I don't care. I'm having fun watching this and a lot of you are just mad or jealous.
I would say the obvious option would have been to run the ball rather than pass. Not that I care, but if you're trying to make a mercy argument, a pass isn't likely going to win any votes.
Exactly. The Patriots offense would have 50% of the snaps that everyone else in the league has had at this point if they played the game the way the haters want. They run their spread offense because that IS their offense. Again- you start playing half of your games with your backups and running plays you dont run with your linemen and muscle memory becomes a real factor. Whats more dangerous for Brady, taking 'extra' snaps every game or going into the Steelers game with an o-line and RBs that have only seen half the blitzes they should have? I dont hear anybody wondering aloud how long it will be before Maroney gets confused by a blitz pickup and Brady gets his head taken off, but that is just as real a danger if your offense only plays half their games.
Allright.
I wasn't sure if there was a sideline aspect to the rule, but if thats the case the having a camera in the booth trained on the other teams cordinators would be just was effective. I'm also sure that you can't just have a team camera trained on the other teams sideline anymore.
Well, I had more to that post justifying my reasons for that statement, would you care to discuss any of them?People hate the Pats, I get it. If you think this entire season is tainted b/c of something that happened in the first couple min. of the first game - then I guess you're right, there's something I'm just not "getting".
Please explain it to me....Ah, but aren't the troll police in the same union?I'm just glad you had something to add to the discussionIs there any way to set up this thread to automatically put up a reply to each new post consisting of:
Just funnin'; but what is the cutoff between padding stats and what you would consider legit? Only those withing 60 minutes? 45? When does it become padding. Has the other team left the field, or are they still trying to stop Brady? Are they only states accumulated when one is up by less than 15? I just find the argument hilarious that some stats are padded. Could he sit? Sure. But, rest assured, he's not playing any more football per week than anybody else.Perfect Tommy said:
For that matter, EVERY team that avoids injury is fortunate. INjuries suck, but they happen. I notice the poster doesn't mention the backfield, which has been riddled w/ injury all season. Maroney missed 4-5 games, and is still not 100%. Morris is out for the year. Faulk has missed 2. You don't pick when and where the injuries occur. You just hope your backups are up to the task. Depth on a football team is so often overlooked. It's what won NE 2 of their 3, and the lack of cost them last year in INdy.
Just stop with the nonsense - "muscle memory"????Muscle memory happens when you have hundreds or thousands of repetitions - think golf, or batting practice. Not running 20-30 different plays in a half.
They can film coordinator signals from a blimp. They can film them from the press box. They can film them from the light towers. They could have had a guy in the stands, in the front row behind the Pats bench 20 feet behind where the guy was actually filming on the sidelines, getting the same excact footage. The only rule they broke was having him on the sideline. I'll give the "cheater" and "asterisk" blowhards the benefit of the doubt and asume they don't understand this. If they do understand this and continue with the nonsense that what the Pats are doing is in any way tainted by the positioning of a camera, then they're idiots.
Skip muscle memory. What about blitz pickup, reading coverages, playing defense against top talent and not scout teams? You dont' get better watching games. YOu get better playing. We're barely over halfway done. There's a lot of improvement to be made. Brady missed like 8 passes yesterday. Hobbs got beat for the TD by Parrish. When they're holding the other team to 0 yards, and scoring on one play drives, I'll consider them able to rest. Until then, I expect them to go hard every play and work to get better. If they happen to score, the defense should have played better.
Come on, be honest. They're the only team in the league that even bothers to read defenses, because they're cheaters. Nobody else tries to deciper what is going to happen. They just line up and play. To do otherwise is cheating.
It is an interesting question, and I suppose everyone has their own answer, but for me the distinction is when you do more than is necessary to win the game, you are padding stats, running up the score, etc. That will vary by game, and by one's perspective. There is no practical reason for Brady to have 373 yards passing on 39 attempts last night - so it comes across as classless.At the end of the day, nobody will look back on Brady's/Patriots' season in 5 years and say they were not very good because most of the stats were "padded." On one level my opinion of the Patriots has gotten lower, but at the same time, I appreciate the pure dominance this team has displayed thus far this year.As I said earlier - the Patriots run up the score for one simple reason - they can. But, just because you can, does not mean you should. Having said that, I am pretty sure Brady, Belichick, and the Patriots really don't give a rat's ### what we think.
My bad you're right."Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game." and that video taping for coaching purposes must be from an area "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.""
So, doing more than is necessary to win the game. So, any states accumulated when leading by more than 8 should not count? I just disagree. I think you play hard on both sides of the ball until the end of the game. Flip it around. Should the defense stop playing hard when up by a certain amount? Thus, should we not count those stats, because after all, they are accumulated long after the game is decided. As for passing. They don't have much of an option. Their one back down, one banged up, and Faulk hurting. Should they pound the 4 and 5 backs until they're hurt too? People feign injury concern, but they pass to protect the spot that has the most injury problems this year. At the end of the year, ther will be a big *. For one of the greatest displays of football we've ever witnessed. Other teams have as much talent. It's focusing and executing that sets them above the rest of the league.
Dude, it may not be literally muscle memory but without question you get into habits running certain plays. Why do you think teams practice? Which team is more effective- the one that runs 100 of the same play or the one that runs 50?
Right on Joe Bryant with making this into an official FBG threadYes, they most definitely deserve an asterisk, every championship team.
Well we don't really know how good they are compared to the all time greats, pretty much because the level of play this year is close to an all time low since the 70's, and also the Patriots are doing what no other great team had done before to this extent, that is running up the score shamelessly.fsufan said:
Joe, I disagree with you on almost all counts. To my understanding, the cheating was done the first half of the first game of the season. That's a blip compared to their entire work over the entire season, assuming they win all 16 games.Regarding running up the score, as a former NCAA All-American athlete myself, my position is simple. If their opponents don't like, then their opponents should paly better defense. Were I a coach, I would discourage my players and coaches from doing anything less than a 100%, whether that be executing the plays or calling plays that are designed to score. I am not a NE fan, but the whining about what they are doing is getting out of hand. It is not NE's fault that their opponents are inferior and unable to stop NE. Blame their opponents, not NE.Joe Bryant said:
Right on Joe Bryant with making this into an official FBG threadYes, they most definitely deserve an asterisk, every championship team.
You're cheering?This thread was started to keep people like you from starting several idiotic threads.Right on Joe Bryant with making this into an official FBG thread
Yes, they most definitely deserve an asterisk, every championship team.
I said nothing about whether the season was tainted or not. I referred specifically to your phrase "whiny tool." If you seriously don't understand how or why using those kind of phrases repeatedly give Pats fans a bad wrap, then there's no use trying to explain anything to you.Well, I had more to that post justifying my reasons for that statement, would you care to discuss any of them?People hate the Pats, I get it. If you think this entire season is tainted b/c of something that happened in the first couple min. of the first game - then I guess you're right, there's something I'm just not "getting".
I don't think there's a more annoying schtick in the forum than the self-proclaimed "end of discussion" schtick.
Hi FB,That's cool to disagree. We can agree to disagree there. But the reason I made this thread was to consolidate all the other threads. I agree it was getting out of hand.
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My math could easily be wrong, but that looks like a 17.7 point differential for the Rams.Again, I don't think there is any credible debate that the Patriots ARE running up the score - reasonable minds can differ on whether they SHOULD run up the score.
what you're suggesting is that they do exactly what the other team expects, or a staging of a play? Isn't that the epitome of poor sportsmanship? Don't the fans pay to see teams play every down? This is a commercial spectacle, like it of not. This isn't you and your pals playing a backyard game. Or the 4x defending HS state champion playing the winless team from the neighboring town. This is the NFL. This is the professional level. Let's contrast it w/ the professional business world. You can release a product you know will put your competition, who has been falling further and further behind you in the field, out of business. Do you not release your product, because it's unsportsmanlike? Of course not. You're in the professional ranks. You're PAID to play hard every down. You do so, or you're being unprofessional. This nonsense that nobody ever ran up the score until this year is just hilarious. Do you think the rest of us didn't see the NFFC win 13 SB's in a row, most of them by 30+ points. That doesn't happen on accident. I just can't get over football fans whining about millionaires losing by too much and calling it unsportsmanlike. What you should be whining about is your team quitting.
I'm saying that in the past, teams ran for it in those situations. If you don't remember that, I don't know how to help you. I'm pretty sure the Bills didn't quit last night, but thanks for playing.
Are you counting the losses? Cant run up the score when you're losing, i only included margin of victories.
Really? I saw a Buffalo team that completely gave up after the INT on the first drive, on a route the receiver quit running...
In the past teams ran more, period. Again. If your top three backs are either out or banged up, one of them for the season, which is the smarter play for your team? Do you run one of them into a pile? Or do you avoid the pile. You know the answer. At the end of the day, the Pats are hammering people, but the alternative is to quit being the team they are. I say it's more unsportsmanlike to expect people to lay down and let you have the ball back. You disagree. I say quitting ont he game is unsportsmanlike. As to quitting. You don't lose 56-10, and it easilly could have been worse, if you don't quit.
Game, Set and Match. End of thread.
