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***OFFICIAL The Leftovers, New HBO show Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Premier
Footballguy
The last few minutes of each episode this season has just been heart wrenching to watch. Seriously incredible show. I'm often a victim of the moment but this is going to end up very high on my all-time list.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah I wasn't sure why it was so Laurie scentric. But I get it now. Although I don't necessarily get her actions.
Premier
Footballguy
What don't you get. Her current husband is hanging onto a dead child. Her ex and his dad thinks he is jesus. Her one friend wants to get into a bug zapper, her brother has cancer and she is staying at a house with a dead cop. Also most everybody thinks the world is ending. May as well jump in the drink and end it all.
Also, you are flat out nuts if you think season 1 compares to this. I would say this season so far is one of the best individual seasons I've ever seen on tv.
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Zow
Footballguy
I mean I got it, maybe I just got angry at the cell phone call from her kids not talking her back off the ledge.
The acting this season has been absolutely incredible and this season definitely surpasses season two for me. But season one, for obviously purely subjective reasons, hooked me in. I was fascinated with the concept and with the cult. In season three, the character arcs are concluding in their probably inevitable and necessary but ultimately depressing fashions. Surely, this show is in your face agnostic. But I already got that so, to be honest, it's kinda boring. And I like the storyline. But I just don't find it as interesting as season one.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, I am still the opposite. I am full on board with S1 and episodes like this Sunday when it's how people reacted to this supernatural event and the fallout of that day (I know the whole show is about that). I am slightly less on board with the weird hotel and orgy episodes and the Book of Kevin stuff. Still fantastic show and acting, I just prefer the more "grounded" stories in the show.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I thought the boat/orgy was one of the weaker episodes (although I still love the closing line- "that's the guy I was telling you about"). I'm with you in preferring the more "grounded" episodes, or those that I can most empathize with that have the more tangible social/emotional content. but I loved the hotel episode- kept going further and further out there in ways that I felt told the story, but pushed the narrative, visually and intellectually.
IMO, the cult was a black hole of non-explanation... a plot device to compel characters into action- really not a fan of that kind of story-telling. Granted- their motivations have become a little clearer in the subsequent seasons- and that's a small part of why I much prefer S2 and 3. but that first season it felt to me like I was forced to just accept them as some kind of deus ex machina in reverse (not solving anything).
regularguy
Footballguy
During season 1, I couldn't have imagined being so affected by Laurie's choice. I would have been glad to see her go back when she wouldn't say a damn word. And checked-out Nora made me so uncomfortable.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I still don't really know what I got, or was supposed to get, out of that episode. I liked Laurie's much more. I heard today that Sepinwall dude was raving about Matt's episode, maybe I need to hunt that article down.
So is that 3 or 4 character-centric episodes out of 6 so far this season? Isn't that kind of how LOST went during it's final season?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yeah, it just seems like rather than jumping from person to person each episode to explain how they all ended up together for the end of the season/series, they decided to simply focus one episode on each character (or at least most of them) to get to the same point. Whether you like that or not I suppose is subjective. I think personally that I'm finding the show a little more immersive this way. I wouldn't be surprised to see more shows doing this, especially ones like Game of Thrones, with so many characters to keep track of. That show has done this in the past, but not to this extent, I wonder if it will be even more so going forward.
modogg
Footballguy
this show must :whoosh: me, because half the time i am not sure why people are all over this show. I get the acting is top notch, and if you take it all at face value it was an enjoyable episode, but i guess i get lost trying to draw what the point is. So God is just some dude who needs attention and likes drama/action? the whole departure thing is just a complete side note, and it seems that the show is not sure what it wants to be.
That said i am into it and enjoy watching it, but just feel that some things are just done for the sake of being wrapping up a plot line. You have the most rational/logical person on the show last week just decide to impetuously kill herself because an idea popped in her head, and that all of a sudden makes sense. I get the character was complicated and went through a lot of self-examination, but it seemed to betray the character a bit last week. Hell, i don't know why if she is going to kill herself, why not hold out for 2 more days to see what is going to happen since you seem to be in the middle of a hell of a mystery.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Opposite here. Didn't do much for me and was a huge letdown after the emotional gut punch that last week was.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
What the hell was that crap?
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
The departed are dead. Kevin (and his dad) can't save the world because the world isn't ending. Kevin's #### is his identity. You can't hide from your reflection. Patti and Dog Killer are Kevin's sanity, Meg is his conscience. Something something Nora.
strykerpks
Footballguy
You know she's dead? How?
That was probably the most ####ed up hour of TV I've ever watched. Full disclosure I'm pretty drunk. Still liked it. Will watch again A+++ ebayer.
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
Because it was the rational/logical thing to do. "We're all gone".
Because that is what was spoon-fed to us?
strykerpks
Footballguy
Pretty sure we were spoon fed that Patti was dead.
Full disclosure I'm pretty drunk. Still liked it. Will watch again A+++ ebayer.
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
Pretty sure she was on tonight's episode
Full disclosure I'm pretty drunk. Still liked it. Will watch again A+++ ebayer.
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
Meh, I was about to concede too.
Full disclosure I'm pretty drunk. Still liked it. Will watch again A+++ ebayer.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I was waiting for Kevin Finnerty to show up.
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
*blows out*
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
This is where I was and unlike the first time, there really didn't seem to be much at stake.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Don't I know it.
Was a little bored yesterday so went back to the pilot to see where some of those old plot lines went. (1) They've never really returned to the theme about the dogs. (2) Kevin's daughter looked really good in her undies and her tramp friend scared me (in a good way) with her blatant sluttiness.
Capella
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
i think we dont know time wise if laurie was dead yet or if she is dead at all.
Well, he didn't know what Christopher Sunday looked like (or the five kids, but neither did we), but I'd imagine they're not going to use a different actor for the role because it would confuse us (more than we already were).
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Loved it. I knew watching it that there was going to be heavy polarization of people who loved vs hated it. I really enjoy the afterworld/dreamworld stuff. Great allegory of what the show is all about- a magnum opus on grief, loss and self-integration.
everyone who has experienced loss knows that feeling of personal apocalypse. "You just nuked my personal narrative of who I am. What now?" Peel back the layers of everything, and there's a universal feeling of being lost, searching for that answer. Nothing really new or groundbreaking in the themes, but a very deft and raw look at that process. Making Kevin the linchpin of that, when he hasn't even dealt with the loss of anyone (as far as he knew) in the Departure, was genius. He is the perfect messiah avatar.
i thought this episode was the best, by far. I'll probably watch it a couple more times, because there's so much there. Hope the finale lives up to the rest of the series.
everyone who has experienced loss knows that feeling of personal apocalypse. "You just nuked my personal narrative of who I am. What now?" Peel back the layers of everything, and there's a universal feeling of being lost, searching for that answer. Nothing really new or groundbreaking in the themes, but a very deft and raw look at that process. Making Kevin the linchpin of that, when he hasn't even dealt with the loss of anyone (as far as he knew) in the Departure, was genius. He is the perfect messiah avatar.
i thought this episode was the best, by far. I'll probably watch it a couple more times, because there's so much there. Hope the finale lives up to the rest of the series.
brun
Footballguy
TBH - never cared much for her character. Always struck me as selfish. Offing herself seemed appropriate.
modogg
Footballguy
I'd love to hear more about why this series/season is so good, because i am missing most of this. Like the above, Really feels like a bit of stretch with the bolded above. So is this 3rd season just a summary of the main points of the show?ProstheticRGK said:
Maybe it is how i watched the show too. I watched first 4-5 episodes of season 1 then bailed because i thought it wasn't so good. My wife has been watching so i binged up to season 3 (episode 4 i think) to watch with her. Seems the show is just kind of turned into one of those self-masturbatory things that heads of shows can do from time to time. the whole inside penis jokes with Justin Thoreau pulling his pecker out was just Lindeloff whacking himself out the whole time.
I am wondering if my problem with the show is i am taking it to serious, and looking for a purpose of the story here. And let me emphasize here, i am not looking for a pissing contest or rain on anybody's parade in here, just hoping someone can help me to enjoy this last episode because the more i think about this 3rd season the more i am thinking it is 1 season too long and basic trash. A few things i guess to make this more of a purposeful exploration:L
1. So what is the purpose of this whole "God" character that has been in each of his after life experiences?
2. and i guess with the question above, these are more of "dreams" then any actual after life, right? the times in season 2 when he was in the after-life it felt more like an organic experience and good mix of there being a purpose to it, while also having some self exploration for Kevin. The experience from this season seemed like a total dream, and it seemed not like an experience for Kevin. And if it was a dream idea, he is making up all the answers for everyone back in the "living world". So the whole idea of Kevin being anything special is pretty much bull####? and if that is the case, can others return from the dead with actual experiences like Kevin?
3. is the whole idea of the departure a completely different story line? I get what you are saying about the idea of the show how people deal with grief, but i guess i am thinking that the show just seems to jump all over and glaze over this.
I got other questions, and this is intended for anybody who has idea about the show. thanks
modogg
Footballguy
thanks this is helpful I just replied about some other stuff. I guess with this particular episode:
1. The whole thing with the twin is the idea of what Kevin is being asked to be with Matt writing the book, etc., vs. who he actually is? and basically, his "righteous self" (not sure what else to call it, but the one who everyone thinks is a religious being wins over who he actually is?
2. What is the point of the "God" character? i would get if only in Kevin's dreams (or after-life experiences if that is the case), but what was the deal with the episode before when Matt met him on the boat, he killed that random dude, and then got eaten by the lion. And why does he ID himself as God in that episode, but doesn't really exist outside of Kevin's dreams and the boat trip.
- I got more, your first point about the departed dead is good. I am hoping the finale answers that a bit. and if that is the case, i am hoping they at least acknowledge the last scene from episode 1 of the flash-forward of Nora and the pigeons.
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Footballguy
I will be pleasantly surprised if the ending is good. It wouldn't shock me if they never really answer any of the big questions either. Although it would be kind of funny if nothing happens on the 14th and they all end up taking Oceanic Flight 815 back home.
Opening scene of series.
https://youtu.be/x7qDbpnPHpY
Opening scene of series.
https://youtu.be/x7qDbpnPHpY
regularguy
Footballguy
Don't expect big answers as Lindelof has been very clear about that. I wish I could answer @modogg 's questions, but just keep telling yourself the plot doesn't matter. The departure was just a story mechanism to force everyone in the world to experience life-altering shock & grief and then see all the different reactions unfold.
As someone who has been very fortunate not to have much experience in grief, I've always been awed by those who've been through it and come out on the other side. We have great examples of this here on this forum of those who've shown strength & grace under unimaginable circumstances. This show runs the gamut of human reactions under similar circumstances but also with the religious element included. Fascinating stuff once you let go of wondering how & why it happened.
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