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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
so whats the feeling here,
was he charged with a felony?
If it was battery then I'm guessing we're looking at 4 games
was he charged with a felony?
If it was battery then I'm guessing we're looking at 4 games
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
The post above yours indicates he is facing felony charges and the hearing is scheduled for August 1.
Not really sure what anyone can add to that?
Rockchild
Footballguy
I think Kareem Hunt got 8 games and this seems much worse. I would think at least 8 games but the NFL is a weird organization and not always consistent with their punishments.
massraider
Footballguy
To whom?
The level of violence not close, it's much worse, but a video of Hunt handling a young white girl will bother a lot of people more than a nightclub fight.
Disclaimer: Hunt was done wrong, he should not have gotten anything for a suspension. That girl was a disaster, would not leave, and her friend was apologizing for her. He nudged that girl as gently as possible while still actually touching her.
I agree with you this is much worse, I wonder if decision makers see it that way
socrates
Footballguy
While Alvin Kamara's incident was arguably more violent, let us remember that Hunt did considerably more than "gently nudge" a girl. He shoved her with force. Twice. Then he violently pushed into the back of a man who was intervening to defuse the situation, causing both the man and the victim (who was walking away at the time) to tumble to the ground, and then Hunt kicked the defenseless victim while she was on the ground. He absolutely deserved to be suspended. Kamara should, at minimum, get a similar 8-game suspension, and probably more.
https://globalnews.ca/video/4717620/video-purportedly-shows-nfls-kareem-hunt-allegedly-shoving-kicking-woman
Edit to Add: I am curious what type of a hearing is scheduled for August. If this matter lingers beyond the start of the regular season, I would not be shocked if Kamara is added to the Commissioner's Exempt List.
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candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Meh, that second shove was people bumping into each otherWell, you were pretty close with that description.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Who knows how this turns out but it's weird how quiet this whole thing has really been since his arrest.
I'm not even searching to be positive so much as it's staring me in the face to point it's hard to ignore is that the Saints don't seem to be acting like they are overly concerned. They are loading up like a SB contender and their major RB addition so far this off-season was guaranteeing Abram Smith $200k. What I'm interpreting as their confidence is rubbing off on me.
I'm not even searching to be positive so much as it's staring me in the face to point it's hard to ignore is that the Saints don't seem to be acting like they are overly concerned. They are loading up like a SB contender and their major RB addition so far this off-season was guaranteeing Abram Smith $200k. What I'm interpreting as their confidence is rubbing off on me.
Rockchild
Footballguy
I wonder too. Like meno mentions above, not hearing too much on this either. I seem to recall seeing video of this but haven't been able to find it online but only did a quick search. It looked really bad though.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
there is no way Hunt deserved 8 games... maybe 2, that was a results of
Hunt's previous history and NFL appeal to wokeness
The union should of been all over that one
if it's going to take till August to determine if this is a felony then there is no way its a felony.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
In Clark County all criminal cases start at the lower level Justice Court that handles misdemeanors. If the Justice Court finds there Probable Cause that a Felony has taken place, and there is no Plea Deal struck, they send it to District Court.
The August 1, 2022 hearing is listed as "Negotiations", meaning they've continued it to see if they can reach a plea deal and the Defense wants to see how bad the evidence is. If they don't reach a deal by August 1, it will likely be sent to District Court he has two charges, a Felony and a Gross Misdemeanor. If it gets sent to District Court a Trial won't happen during the season. There is a serious Covid backlog in Las Vegas right now.
The August 1, 2022 hearing is listed as "Negotiations", meaning they've continued it to see if they can reach a plea deal and the Defense wants to see how bad the evidence is. If they don't reach a deal by August 1, it will likely be sent to District Court he has two charges, a Felony and a Gross Misdemeanor. If it gets sent to District Court a Trial won't happen during the season. There is a serious Covid backlog in Las Vegas right now.
DropKick
Footballguy
The "kick" was greatly exaggerated. Will agree with massraider on this one.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JoeKappBudGrant
Footballguy
The filing of the civil suit could slow down the timeline on the criminal case. The victim may also want Kamara to collect another full year salary.
massraider
Footballguy
Give me the under on 6 games.
Feels like 6 games negotiated down to 3 or 4 could be a thing, but 6 feels like a lot for a Vegas fight.
Also, if I am the NFL, I might be a little slick, and go easy on Kamara. At some point, we will know the suspensions of Watson and Kamara. The NFL PR department has to know if those two suspensions are close in terms of number of missed games, there will be much clickbait outrage.
I might max out at three games.
Feels like 6 games negotiated down to 3 or 4 could be a thing, but 6 feels like a lot for a Vegas fight.
Also, if I am the NFL, I might be a little slick, and go easy on Kamara. At some point, we will know the suspensions of Watson and Kamara. The NFL PR department has to know if those two suspensions are close in terms of number of missed games, there will be much clickbait outrage.
I might max out at three games.
TheWinz
Footballguy
A fight? Is that what it's called when 4 thugs stomp an unconscious guy? I say the punishment should be zero games, but the day before the season starts, Alvin has to go in the ring with Francis Ngannou and the victim. After Ngannou knocks him out, the victim gets to beat him a bit more. Alvin can then play as soon as he feels up to it.
massraider
Footballguy
He's on 3 of my 4 dynasty teams, so I think his punishment is that Rhonda Rousey has to tickle his feet till he pees himself.
TheWinz
Footballguy
I guess I am just a believer in an eye socket for and eye socket. In all seriousness, we can't expect these early-to-mid 20 year olds to act like choir boys, can we? I expect young NFL'ers to get into fights and generally be badasses. But just like in MMA, you stop whaling on someone when they can't fight back. That's why I think Alvin deserves severe punishment.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
In re-draft 6 games + the week 14 bye is half a fantasy season he would be missing. Of course he would be rested for the playoffs and any future planned beatings.
ZADO
Footballguy
From what i read it was Kamara`s friends that stomped the guy after Kamara was done punching the guy,so context does matter. Not condoning just stating facts , shod foot is a serious charge
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TheWinz
Footballguy
Does it really matter if it was with fists or feet? Sounds like all 4 thugs were still doing damage AFTER the guy was unconscious. And yes, Alvin is one of the thugs.
ZADO
Footballguy
it does matter , if i get in fight with a guy and i beat him ,then stop ,the 3 other guys go on to stomp him ,i shouldnt be charged with their part of the assault ,which shod foot is a level higher in punishment because its now assault with a dangerous weapon.
All of it is bad , again im not condoning in any way .
BoltNlava
Footballguy
All the while doing nothing to stop it? Yes. Yes you should be charged along with the rest.
Not criticizing in any way.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
TheWinz
Footballguy
4 different people assaulted an unconscious man. If a 5th guy gave him a wet willy or a purple nurple, I would call him a thug as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He is also charged with the robbery. If a person is murdered, he is also charged with murder, but may get a lessor sentence if not the triggerman. If a policeman is murdered he probably gets the same sentence as the triggerman.
ZADO
Footballguy
If he was defending himself he probably wont be charged ,if he wasnt and was the attacker he`ll probably be charged with assault and battery ,while his cohorts will be charged with assault with dangerous weapons (shoes) and possibly intent to cause serious bodily harm with implied malice.
ZADO
Footballguy
BoltNlava
Footballguy
And so is his "posse". While I don't believe this is the totality of all involved I do believe this instance in their lives should have consequences that reflect the seriousness.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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habsfan
Footballguy
As a legal argument, I know it would never hold any water but I am interested by the "dynamics" between guys like Kamara and their "entourages". In court they'll be called "friends" and maybe they are but it's likely quite different in reality than one of us going out with a group of friends. There's a hierarchy and power structure to these groups and couldn't you argue the guy at the top of the pyramid is more responsible than the others in some ways?
Doug B
Footballguy
Disclaimer: I have not listened to the linked audio nor read through the entire SaintsReport thread (just the first page or so).
WWL Sports (Youtube) - Legal expert: Here's why an Alvin Kamara suspension might not come in 2022 season [length - 6:56]
WWL interview: Attorney says Kamara might not see suspension until AFTER this season (…he explains why) [SaintsReport.com thread]
The Youtube video is actually a 7-minute audio clip from WWL Radio's drive-time program this past Wednesday evening.
Cliffs Notes: This second post in the linked SaintsReport thread is by one of that board's resident attorneys -- an analog to Zow or YankeeFan23 on FBGs:
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DropKick
Footballguy
I've been watching people condemn Watson non-stop while wondering why Kamara is relatively off the radar.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
TheWinz
Footballguy
FBG staff is gonna have a hard time pricing a few guys for the subscriber contest.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So any reason to believe this guy won't take Kamara to civil court? That would then present a mess wouldn't it?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s very possible - but it would be the same incident so not sure why that would create a mess.
The NFL usually waits for criminal procedures to play out first - not for necessarily civil matters.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I think the feeling is he will...although the criminal case is the bigger issue for Kamara (unlike Watson).
It depends when he gets suspended. If it’s at the beginning of the year and only a few games he could still be good value were he is going now. If he gets suspended toward the end of the season that would be very bad.
JoeKappBudGrant
Footballguy
The Saints first eight games are way easier than their last nine. If the Court sets a trial date for early November during the August 1st status date, draft him then trade him.
