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Shark Pool Mock #1 (1 Viewer)

MAC_32 said:
Give me five wrs, tough to cross reference on my phone. I'm sure one is better than Skov, who I like but not as much as this year's wr class.
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Paul Richardson, Martavis Bryant, and Robert Herron are still sitting out there if you think the Browns need more WR help.

 
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Richardson's size scares me, but his skill set would compliment Gordon and Sammy well.

Pick him.

Woulda gone wr earlier instead of CB, but I also think we address that position in free agency. Likely og too. It's why mocks before April aggrevate me. I love playing fake GM but I need to see my whole hand first.

 
With the 102nd pick of the 2014 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select Paul Richardson WR Colorado.

 
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To carry-forward the picks made from the third round up to this place in the fourth round with the order of picks to be made:

Third round

67. Oakland - krsone21

- QB Blake Bortles, OG Su'a-Filo = DE/OLB Trent Murphy

68. Atlanta -

- OT Jake Mathews, OLB Ryan Shazier = DT/DE Dominiquue Easley

69 New York Jets (from Tampa Bay)
- WR Marquise Lee, S Dion Bailey = RB Carlos Hyde

70 Jacksonville -
- QB Teddy Bridgewater, DE/DT Stephon Tuit = OG Chris Watt

71 Tampa Bay (from Cleveland)
- QB Johnny Manziel = WR Jared Abbrederis

72 Minnesota -
- OLB/DE Khalil Mack, CB Kyle Fuller = QB Zach Mettenberger

73 Buffalo -
- TE Eric Ebron, OT Antonio Richardson = S Jimmie Ward

74 NY Giants -
- DT Ra' Shede Hagerman, OLB Kyle Van Noy, OG Dakota Dozier = DE Jackson Jeffcoat

75 St. Louis -
- OT Greg Robertson, S Calvin Pryor, FS/CB LaMarcus Joyner = QB Aaron Murray

76 Detroit -
- WR Mike Evans. OT Morgan Moses = CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste

77 San Francisco (from Tennessee)
- CB Justin Gilbert, WR Jarvis Landry = OC Weston Richburg

78 Dallas -
- DT Aaron Donald, DE Scott Crichton = QB Connor Shaw

79 NY Giants (From Baltimore)
- DT Ra' Shede Hagerman, OLB Kyle Van Noy, OG Dakota Dozier = OT Billy Turner

80 Chicago (from NY Jets)
- DT Ego Ferguson = DE Chris Smith

81 Miami -
- OT Cyrus Kouandjio, OG Gabe Jackson = WR Donte Moncrief

82 NY Jets (from Chicago)
- WR Marquise Lee, S Dion Bailey, RB Carlos Hyde = OG Anthony Steen

83 Cleveland (from Pittsburgh)
- WR Sammy Watkins, OG David Yankey, QB Jimmy Garoppolo, CB Marcus Roberson = RB Bishop Sankey

84 Arizona -
- OG Zach Martin, OLB Jeremiah Attoachu = S Deone Bucannon

85 Green Bay -
- TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, DT Kelcy Quarles = DT DaQuon Jones

86 Philadelphia -
- OLB/DE Dee Ford, S Ed Reynolds, WR Brandon Cooks = OLB Marcus Smith

87 Kansas City -
- WR Odell Beckham Jr., = CB Keith McGill

88 Cincinnati -
- S Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, CB Loucheiz Purifoy = DE Kareem Martin

89 San Diego -
- DT Louis Nix , OLB Trevor Reilly = CB E.J. Gaines

90 Indianapolis -
- C Travis Swanson = CB Victor Hampton

91 New Orleans -
- CB Jason Verrett, OT Jack Mewhort = RB Jeremy Hill

92 Carolina -
- WR Kelvin Benjamin, OT James Hurst = DE DeMarcus Lawerence

93 New England -
- NT Timmy Jernigan, TE Troy Niklas = C Marcus Martin

94 San Francisco -
- CB Justin Gilbert, WR Jarvis Landry = SS Amhad Dixon

95 Denver -
- DE Kony Ealy, WR Davante Adams = CB Bashuad Breeland

96 Minnsota (from Seattle)

- OLB/DE Khalil Mack, CB Kyle Fuller

= DT Daniel McCullers

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97 Texans

- DE Jadeveon Clowney, QB David Carr

= OLB Carl Bradford

98. Washington - Bob Magaw

- CB Bradley Roby. OT JaWauan James

= LB Chris Borland

99 Falcons

- OT Jake Mathews, OLB Ryan Shazier, DT/DE Dominiquue Easley

= RB Lache Seastrunk

100 Buccaneers

- QB Johnny Manziel, WR Jared Abbrederis

= LB Christian Jones

101 Jaguars

- QB Teddy Bridgewater, DE/DT Stephon Tuit, OG Chris Watt

= RB Tre Mason

102 Browns

- WR Sammy Watkins, OG David Yankey, QB Jimmy Garoppolo, CB Marcus Roberson, RB Bishop Sankey

= WR Paul Richardson

103 Raiders

104 Vikings

105 Bills

106 Rams

107 Lions

108 Titans

109 Giants

110 Jaguars

111 Jets

112 Dolphins

113 Bears

114 Steelers

115 Cowboys

116 Cardinals

117 Packers

118 Eagles

119 Bengals

120 Chiefs

121 Chargers

122 Saints

123 Browns

124 Panthers

125 49ers

126 Patriots

127 Broncos

128 Seahawks

 
krsone21 said:
With the 102nd pick of the 2014 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select Paul Richardson WR Colorado.
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Great pick.

I don't think he was drafted and Mac is correct. The Browns lack both a second and third wideout.

Josh Gordon is the #1 WR but both Greg Little (kid works hard but he continues with the drops so I don't think he can make it as an NFL WR) and Davone Bess (serious off-field problems and he also had difficulty catching the ball last year) are not up to snuff. And Travis Benjamin isn't big enough to withstand the impact and he's too valuable as a return man so I like the Richardson pick.

 
With the 103rd pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select Will Sutton DT Arizona State

The Raiders defensive line wasn't very good last year. The defensive line needs a major upgrade this offseason both at the DE and DT positions. Will Sutton has played different spots along the DL and is versatile. Sutton will help to get more pressure on the QB.

Here is what NFLDraftScout had to say: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664702/will-sutton

Strengths: Has a short, compact build that gives him a natural leverage advantage over most NFL offensive linemen. Times the snap well, flashing an explosive burst to slip through gaps. Possesses quick feet, balance and lateral agility to avoid cut-blocks. Accelerates very quickly to close on the ballcarrier. Possesses surprisingly strong and active hands to rip free from blocks and to rip away at the ball when he sees it exposed (three forced fumbles in 2012). Experienced at virtually every position along the defensive line. Instinctive defender who locates the ball well and hustles to get involved in the action. Peels away from blocks, spinning to rip away and pursue laterally or downfield, as needed. Good recognition of deception plays, reading and peeling off to blow up screens and draws. Showed his dedication to the program by earning the "Hard Hat" award for his work in the team's offseason strength and conditioning program in 2010 (year he missed due to academics)... Appears to be significantly heavier, stronger than his listed size by ASU (6-1, 267). Good bloodlines. Father, Mickey, played in the NFL for five years as a defensive back and punt returner with the Los Angeles Rams, Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills.

Weaknesses: Obvious size limitations and may prove to be just a rotational defender at the next level. Short arms and can get locked out by the longer arms of offensive linemen. Possesses very good short-area quickness but reaches max speed quickly and appears to have only moderate straight-line speed for the position despite his size. Seems to tire easily. Will make a big play and then disappear for long stretches. Only has one season of sustained success at the FBS level.

Compares To: Geno Atkins, DT, Cincinnati Bengals -- Having increased his sack production each of his three seasons in the NFL, the 6-1, 300-pound Atkins has given hope to all undersized, quick-footed defensive tackles that they, too, can find a niche in today's pass-happy NFL.

Raiders Draft:

#5 Blake Bortles QB UCF

#36 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG UCLA

#67 Trent Murphy DE/OLB Stanford

#103 Will Sutton DT Arizona State

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
krsone21 said:
With the 102nd pick of the 2014 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select Paul Richardson WR Colorado.
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Great pick.

I don't think he was drafted and Mac is correct. The Browns lack both a second and third wideout.

Josh Gordon is the #1 WR but both Greg Little (kid works hard but he continues with the drops so I don't think he can make it as an NFL WR) and Davone Bess (serious off-field problems and he also had difficulty catching the ball last year) are not up to snuff. And Travis Benjamin isn't big enough to withstand the impact and he's too valuable as a return man so I like the Richardson pick.
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Yea after looking closer at the Browns roster they could use two WR upgrades.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
3.94 San Francisco - Ahmad Dixon SS - Baylor
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.Anyone have any comments on this pick I was not home with my research so. Did it on the fly .......good bad or ugly?
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No one ? Thoughts?
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I think he fits right into the Whitner spot for ability and hitting.

But the knock is coverage, recognition and "thickness" as such a run defense safety.

Certainly has upside with his speed and willingness. Can he learn?

 
Andy Dufresne said:
4.100 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Christian Jones, ILB - Florida State
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Sorry guys, thought this was only 3 rounds. I think this was a solid pick. I definitely can see Mason Foster being moved to SAM this year.

I probably would have went with CJ Fiedorowicz. I think the Bucs will focus on defense in free agency, and offense in the draft.

 
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4.10 (#106) - Arizona RB Ka'Deem Carey

RB is in good hands with Stacy, but this was still one of the boxes I wanted to check off along with back up QB in round three. Fisher said immediately after the season the team needs to score more. The run game is the focal point of the offensive scheme, and Stacy is a hard-nosed, physical RB who regularly seeks out contact and was dinged a few times as a rookie. Carey could be an outstanding complement. Pretty good value, seeing as some scout graded him as the top prospect at his position in class of '14 (fifth taken here, after Hyde, Sankey, Seastrunk and Mason - probably would have taken him if available). His 16 straight 100 yard games (see below) were the most by an FBS RB in a decade. Not necessarily great at anything, but good at everything. I like how he runs. Outstanding vision, patience, instincts, short area burst, COD, make-you-miss ability, power, determination and finishes. Not big (5'10" 208 lbs. - put on 10 lbs. since 2012) and lacks breakaway speed (more quick than fast - 4.5 more likely than 4.4 at Combine?), but extremely shifty. The word that best describes him might be RELENTLESS. Likes to run inside and is good at it, hard to arm tackle, usually takes multiple defenders to bring him down. Receiving ability in his skill set. Has some character concerns and off-field red flags, but that didn't scare Fisher and Snead away from Janoris Jenkins and Alec Ogletree. Otherwise, received high praise from HC Rich Rodriguez for his work ethic, leadership and intangibles.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/132000/kadeem-carey

"Carey didn't have much else to prove at the collegiate level after he rushed for 3,814 yards and 42 touchdowns over the past two seasons. Carey didn't rush for less than 119 yards in a game this past season; the 5-foot-10, 207-pounder finishes his collegiate career having rushed for 100 yards in 16 consecutive games. CBS Sports ranks Carey as the draft's best running back and predicts that he'll be selected in the second round (the Wildcat star reportedly received a second-round grade from the NFL's Draft Advisory Board). Because of Carey's ridiculous explosiveness and athleticism, we've often compared him to Eagles star Shady McCoy."

 
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4.10 (#106) - Clemson OT/G Brandon Thomas

His versatility would be appealing to STL (who deployed Saffold outside and inside in 2013), as they have had a lot of injury-related positional attrition in recent years, are aging on the interior, and could lose multiple OL through free agency or looming cap casualties. Protected Boyd's blind side the last two years, guard probably his more natural pro position, but could have the feet to afford swing tackle positional flexibility at the next level.

http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2014/jan/27/brandon-thomas-wows-scouts-stellar-senior-bowl-per/?partner=RSS

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140220/PC20/140229958/1032/nfl-scouts-like-clemsons-thomas-at-tackle-or-guard

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Soulfly3 said:
eta: Id love someone to grade my draft... maybe a Browns fan and a non-Browns fan
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Diffcult to grade a draft in a vacum. I'd have to go through every single pick by evey single team and also would have to have a good solid understanding of the needs of each team to put things into proper context and I'm not doing that.

I can give my feedback.

- First pick Sammy Watkins

The top QBs of this draft will determine the outcome for any team who takes on in the top 8 picks. If they hit then the sky is the limit but if they miss it could set them back because next year's crop of QBs looks better on top. If in the real NFL draft, Browns GM Ray Farmer moves-up for a QB his entire career will hinge on that selection and many of the top draft guys have the QBs ranked much lower on their top-fifty lists than where they are projected to go. So I love that you did not reach for a QB at the top and that you were able to trade-down and get 'something' in return but I'd prefer a clean extra pick instead of moving up a round but I love that you didn't feel the pressure to take a QB and that you were able to game a trade-down and still pick up the top WR of this class. You filled a need and avoided a potential disaster and you got extra so that is an A+ move.

- Second pick OG David Yankey

If you look at this draft you took the top interior offensive lineman and it started a bit of a run where all of the top interior O-Linemen got plucked. Yankey not only fills a team need but he fills a dire team need since our weakest link on our O-Line was/is RG and new OC Kyle Shanahan has stated he will install a slide-zone blocking scheme and Lavauo doesn't fit that scheme so for the Browns David Yankey is a fantastic pick here. A+ for the Browns.

- Third pick QB Jimmy Garoppolo

Hard to project where he'll go so I don't know if this was a value. His best attribute is he throws guys open which I personally feel is crucial for a QB. He's not ready, won't start, and I'm not sure of his upside. Browns biggest need is long-term stability at QB and I can't say for sure Jimmy is the long-term answer. C grade due to unsure upside and where he was selected.

- Fourth pick CB Marcus Roberson

Tall CB, projected to go at the end of the 1st round in many mocks I've seen. Not the top rated prospect at both WR Sammy Watkins and OG David Yankey so he can't get an A let alone an A+ as those prospects got. Fills a big hole on the team. B+.

- Fifth pick RB Bishop Sankey

Few teams need a RB so I think that position could have been filled later to gain more value. RB is a need for Cleveland and it will be filled, either in the draft or free agency. I like Bishop but having looked into Kyle Shanahan's system he likes bigger backs so although he's a great talent and fills a need I have to ding this pick a bit because I don't see other teams needing RBs so I felt RB could have been addressed later and I also don't think he fits the system that Shanahan will install. B-

Overall? Excellent draft and its because the Browns hold the most picks in a deep draft and if this was the draft then four of the five picks would have legitmate shots to turn into starters so that obviously would rate an A+ grade for any team.
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Bracie, I actually respect your opinion, but there is no way this is better than a B- or C+ draft. Soulfly should have gotten the additional pick in the trade down in the 2nd round for Jimmy G without giving up anything. As far as the 1st 3 rounds my 14 year old nephew can make those choices being it's that's the deepest draft in 10 years. It would be like the colts drafting Luck 2 years ago and patting themselves on the back as being geniuses .The additional 2nd Rd. pick could have gotten us a ILB like Borland which would have shored up another problem area Rounds 4-7 shows what you got and he already picked the wrong back, as it should have been Jeremy Hill who is going to be a monster IMHO. I also give props to Mac_32 with the decision to pick an additional WR in Richardson. I did not prioritize it as much but it makes perfect sense.

 
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False Start said:
Why are there two picks for 106?

The Lions Select with the 107th pick in the 4th Round....

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
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His first pick of Ka'Dem Casey was already picked way back at 42 overall by TEN. Would help if he edited his post to reflect that to minimize confusion.

 
mr fancypants said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Soulfly3 said:
eta: Id love someone to grade my draft... maybe a Browns fan and a non-Browns fan
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Diffcult to grade a draft in a vacum. I'd have to go through every single pick by evey single team and also would have to have a good solid understanding of the needs of each team to put things into proper context and I'm not doing that.I can give my feedback.

- First pick Sammy Watkins

The top QBs of this draft will determine the outcome for any team who takes on in the top 8 picks. If they hit then the sky is the limit but if they miss it could set them back because next year's crop of QBs looks better on top. If in the real NFL draft, Browns GM Ray Farmer moves-up for a QB his entire career will hinge on that selection and many of the top draft guys have the QBs ranked much lower on their top-fifty lists than where they are projected to go. So I love that you did not reach for a QB at the top and that you were able to trade-down and get 'something' in return but I'd prefer a clean extra pick instead of moving up a round but I love that you didn't feel the pressure to take a QB and that you were able to game a trade-down and still pick up the top WR of this class. You filled a need and avoided a potential disaster and you got extra so that is an A+ move.

- Second pick OG David Yankey

If you look at this draft you took the top interior offensive lineman and it started a bit of a run where all of the top interior O-Linemen got plucked. Yankey not only fills a team need but he fills a dire team need since our weakest link on our O-Line was/is RG and new OC Kyle Shanahan has stated he will install a slide-zone blocking scheme and Lavauo doesn't fit that scheme so for the Browns David Yankey is a fantastic pick here. A+ for the Browns.

- Third pick QB Jimmy Garoppolo

Hard to project where he'll go so I don't know if this was a value. His best attribute is he throws guys open which I personally feel is crucial for a QB. He's not ready, won't start, and I'm not sure of his upside. Browns biggest need is long-term stability at QB and I can't say for sure Jimmy is the long-term answer. C grade due to unsure upside and where he was selected.

- Fourth pick CB Marcus Roberson

Tall CB, projected to go at the end of the 1st round in many mocks I've seen. Not the top rated prospect at both WR Sammy Watkins and OG David Yankey so he can't get an A let alone an A+ as those prospects got. Fills a big hole on the team. B+.

- Fifth pick RB Bishop Sankey

Few teams need a RB so I think that position could have been filled later to gain more value. RB is a need for Cleveland and it will be filled, either in the draft or free agency. I like Bishop but having looked into Kyle Shanahan's system he likes bigger backs so although he's a great talent and fills a need I have to ding this pick a bit because I don't see other teams needing RBs so I felt RB could have been addressed later and I also don't think he fits the system that Shanahan will install. B-

Overall? Excellent draft and its because the Browns hold the most picks in a deep draft and if this was the draft then four of the five picks would have legitmate shots to turn into starters so that obviously would rate an A+ grade for any team.
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Bracie, I actually respect your opinion, but there is no way this is better than a B- or C+ draft. Soulfly should have gotten the additional pick in the trade down in the 2nd round for Jimmy G without giving up anything. As far as the 1st 3 rounds my 14 year old nephew can make those choices being it's that's the deepest draft in 10 years. It would be like the colts drafting Luck 2 years ago and patting themselves on the back as being geniuses .The additional 2nd Rd. pick could have gotten us a ILB like Borland which would have shored up another problem area Rounds 4-7 shows what you got and he already picked the wrong back, as it should have been Jeremy Hill who is going to be a monster IMHO. I also give props to Mac_32 with the decision to pick an additional WR in Richardson. I did not prioritize it as much but it makes perfect sense.
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I'm not overly thrilled win this haul either, B- or C+ is about right. It's good, but opportunities were left on the board as this draft seemed to steer more towards need instead of talent. It's also still February, NFL teams don't know who they are picking when right now let alone us. I think the picture will be clearer after free agency. Hoping the browns look at corner and guard then lock up Mack and either Ward or Byrd. A complimentary veteran wr and Ilb would be good too.
 
MAC_32 said:
mr fancypants said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Overall? Excellent draft and its because the Browns hold the most picks in a deep draft and if this was the draft then four of the five picks would have legitmate shots to turn into starters so that obviously would rate an A+ grade for any team.
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Bracie, I actually respect your opinion, but there is no way this is better than a B- or C+ draft. Soulfly should have gotten the additional pick in the trade down in the 2nd round for Jimmy G without giving up anything. As far as the 1st 3 rounds my 14 year old nephew can make those choices being it's that's the deepest draft in 10 years. It would be like the colts drafting Luck 2 years ago and patting themselves on the back as being geniuses .The additional 2nd Rd. pick could have gotten us a ILB like Borland which would have shored up another problem area Rounds 4-7 shows what you got and he already picked the wrong back, as it should have been Jeremy Hill who is going to be a monster IMHO. I also give props to Mac_32 with the decision to pick an additional WR in Richardson. I did not prioritize it as much but it makes perfect sense.
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I'm not overly thrilled win this haul either, B- or C+ is about right. It's good, but opportunities were left on the board as this draft seemed to steer more towards need instead of talent. It's also still February, NFL teams don't know who they are picking when right now let alone us. I think the picture will be clearer after free agency. Hoping the browns look at corner and guard then lock up Mack and either Ward or Byrd. A complimentary veteran wr and Ilb would be good too.
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First, to make any grade worthwhile you would have to through every team and understand every need and also be really-well versed on the talent they took or passed-up. I'm not seeing anyone on these boards who has that understanding no matter how much football they watch. So right off the bat you have to take anything with a grain of salt, this is all in good fun and on a cursory level of understanding I think most teams had great drafts so THAT is the only context I have. So based on that level of context I made my final grade and I bottom-lined my reasoning.

Browns came away with two first-day starters in WR Sammy Watkins and OG David Yankey. Both were the top prospects at their positions and both fill major needs on the team. Throw-in the deal where we got something extra and the Browns graded out better than any team for the first round.

In the second round, I gave Garoppolo my lowest grade and made my case but I liked CB Roberson and he fills a need on the team. So getting a guy who should start and fill a need sometime during his rookie season meant the Browns filled another immediate need. Anything they might get from Garoppolo would be a bonus.

Third round, I would have preferred an extra 3rd round pick clean in the first round trade-down and said so but its a light hearted Shark Pool draft. I wasn't as sold on Sankey since he doesn't fit as good as other RB prospects for Shanahan's system. But he's good, very talented and even though he's not the best fit he could work out very-well and he fills another need and he could project as the fourth rookie starter.

But the grade is based off of the bigger picture context of how-well the team did drafting in relation to other teams and I think just about everyone did good. Their is a ton of talent in this draft. Any NFL team who would get four starters from one draft that filled team needs with quality prospects, not just guys, would get an A+,

Its all in good fun too. I mean what is the purpose of participating in a mock unless your having fun?

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If I were picking?

- First pick, WR Sammy Watkins. If I had that deal I'd try for a clean 3rd but would grudgenly take that deal just to get Watkins and to move-up.

- Second pick., OG Davind Yankey. I'd do the same thing.

- Third pick, QB Jimmy Garoppol. Have to admit I wouldn't take Garoppolo. If I didn't like any of the QBs in this draft I would try to make a deal to get an extra 1st round pick for next year's QB crop. I would try to trade that pick for a first next year and in a mock like this I'm sure I'd get multiple offers since teams are falling all over themselves with the talent in this draft.

- Fourth pick, CB Marcus Roberson. Love it, would make the same pick.

- Fifth Pick, RB Biship Sankey. I felt RB could be addressed later in the draft because so few teams have that as a major need. One of the biggest needs on the Browns is a cover LB. I would have taken LB Christian Jones. He's supposed to be a very-good cover LBer.

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The Sixtth pick was made after I posted my grade but sixth pick, WR Paul Richardson. I would have wanted to go with the highest rated RB if they were close to the level of Richardson but I'm not sure who was/is available at RB at this point so I like the Richardson pick. If the draft went like this mock then the team can address RB very-well in free agency.

 
Yankey is not a first round prospect, he might be a decent starting guard but if he isn't then he is worthless. We have too many of those types already. He is a day three type of guy, maybe late day two.

I won't scream bloody murder if we pick Garropollo early in the second, but after the top two I don't want a qb until the third.

I don't know much about Roberson. I hope we fix corner in free agency, but if we don't I will look more into them.

Sankey is just a guy, day three guy, lots like him. Not worth a day two pick.

I'd have gone Manziel, Allen Robinson, Su'a-filo, Abbrederis, Borland, Terrance West if the draft played out like this.

 
Taking a WR in the draft is far from a sure-thing but I'm sold on Watkins not only being good but a potential play-making top caliber NFL WR especially if he's paired with a guy like WR Josh Gordon. If the Browns had those-two together, even before you factor in TE Jordan Cameron, it would create matchup nightmares.

Yankey is the top OG IHMHO so we simply disagree on his ability. In this draft he wouldn't rank as highly on other team's lists so my initial reaction was it was a reach but I like it better for the Browns. RG was our weakest link on the O-Line. Yankey wouldn't just fill that need, he'd more than meet the need.

My thoughts on the overall QB crop are that only one guy is a top five pick, QB Teddy Bridgewater and I don't think he'll be available in the real NFL draft. Manziel? I'll defer to Greg Cosell so if I had an offer to move-down and still come away with Watkins I would take it but ofcourse I'd want more than simply moving up from our high-third to a high-second.

Obviolusly we both know we need a quality CB opposite Joe Haden and Marcus Roberson is a legitmate 6'0 tall corner who is widely projected going late in many first round mocks. Tall corner is a big need especially with two small safeties.

Cover LB is a HUGE NEED IMHO so I don't see where your draft would fill that dire need.

Craig Robertson gave up over 550 yards and 5 TDs and was the worst of any NFL LBer is surrending the highest QB passer rating. The late season defensive collapse exposed Robertson. Landing a cover LBer is a high priority. Borland's weakness is in coverage and he's not tall which is a limiting factor for many linebackers in coverage.

Talent has to meet need but I'd reach to fill RG and cover LBer and a bit for a tall CB. I'm not as concerned coming out of this draft without a top ranked QB if we came away with Watkins and an extra high pick and an extra first round pick for next year because I like next year's QB crop better than this year's.

 
This is why I keep harping on free agency, I think those are the three most important positions to target in free agency. We need a corner that can play now, not another developmental guy. Same with rangy ilb, athletic guard, and possession wr. Fill needs in free agency so we can spend the draft focusing more on bpa instead of being pigeon holed.

 
MAC_32 said:
krsone21 said:
jumper said:
jumper said:
FUBAR said:
4.108 AJ McCaron,

Need aolid backup for Locker.
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We need to get this moving again. NY Giants and Late 225 are up.
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Need a pick for NYG. Needs are listed as OL and CB. Their line was terrible last year so I propose OT Charles Leno.
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I think Joel Bitonio OT Nevada is still out there as well.
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after today he may sneak into the day one convo, he's legit.
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I was gone most of the day so didn't get to watch most of the combine today but I thought I heard some good things about Joel Bitonio if he Giants do indeed look at OT at this pick then I would select him.

 
krsone21 said:
MAC_32 said:
krsone21 said:
jumper said:
jumper said:
FUBAR said:
4.108 AJ McCaron,

Need aolid backup for Locker.
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We need to get this moving again. NY Giants and Late 225 are up.
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Need a pick for NYG. Needs are listed as OL and CB. Their line was terrible last year so I propose OT Charles Leno.
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I think Joel Bitonio OT Nevada is still out there as well.
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after today he may sneak into the day one convo, he's legit.
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I was gone most of the day so didn't get to watch most of the combine today but I thought I heard some good things about Joel Bitonio if he Giants do indeed look at OT at this pick then I would select him.
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And considering Kouandijo's medical report is an F, there's an easy spot for him.

 
krsone21 said:
MAC_32 said:
krsone21 said:
jumper said:
jumper said:
FUBAR said:
4.108 AJ McCaron,

Need aolid backup for Locker.
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We need to get this moving again. NY Giants and Late 225 are up.
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Need a pick for NYG. Needs are listed as OL and CB. Their line was terrible last year so I propose OT Charles Leno.
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I think Joel Bitonio OT Nevada is still out there as well.
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after today he may sneak into the day one convo, he's legit.
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I was gone most of the day so didn't get to watch most of the combine today but I thought I heard some good things about Joel Bitonio if he Giants do indeed look at OT at this pick then I would select him.
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I had read good things, but I haven't watched a Nevada game since kaep was there. The good things were validated today in a big way.
 
Giants have already taken two O-Linemen with the picks that they've made including an OT. Keep hearing they will address RB so RB has to be in the mix for their pick.

109 Giants

- DT Ra' Shede Hagerman, OLB Kyle Van Noy, OG Dakota Dozier, OT Billy Turner, DE Jackson Jeffcoat

 
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