"Stand by Israel because they are God's Chosen People" (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

I've been hearing this a lot lately and I cringe every time I hear it. It really bothers me and is a legit issue people should have with religion and politics. I don't understand the theology behind this sentiment at all. I'm not sure it even exists. There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

Thoughts?

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

 

[timschochet]

Tevye from Fiddler on the Roof:

Lord, couldn't You maybe choose somebody else once in a while?

 

[The Commish]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

Wait. You are confused about where the idea that the Hebrews are the "chosen people" comes from? Or you don't understand why that idea influences people's political beliefs?

The second question is sort of complicated. The first one isn't: According to the Old Testament (and Torah) the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

 

[pizzatyme]

Stand by Israel because it's the right thing to do.

 

[timschochet]

Commish, in all seriousness, you should tell your friends who say this the following:

1. The modern state of Israel was created by ethnic secular Jews, many of whom were atheist (including it's founder and first Prime Minister, David Ben Gurion).

2. The USA has always stood by Israel because it's a free country which shares our western values.

4. Standing by Israel does not mean standing by Bibi Netanyahu. As a free country Israel has lots of people with lots of different opinions just like here. Nearly half of all Israelis strongly disagree with Netanyahu's criticism of Obama's negotiations with Iran.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Stand by Israel because it's the right thing to do.

Why?

 

[The Commish]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

Wait. You are confused about where the idea that the Hebrews are the "chosen people" comes from? Or you don't understand why that idea influences people's political beliefs?

The second question is sort of complicated. The first one isn't: According to the Old Testament (and Torah) the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

I don't understand why people believe we should be tied to Israel politically simply because they are God's chosen people theologically. I don't question the theology.

 

[The Commish]

Stand by Israel because it's the right thing to do.

This is a different discussion...one thing at a time!

 

[matuski]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

Wait. You are confused about where the idea that the Hebrews are the "chosen people" comes from? Or you don't understand why that idea influences people's political beliefs?

The second question is sort of complicated. The first one isn't: According to the Old Testament (and Torah) the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

I don't understand why people believe we should be tied to Israel politically simply because they are God's chosen people theologically. I don't question the theology.

You don't understand that people can't separate religion from politics?

 

[wikkidpissah]

So, vat, you don't love no more?! After all I been through...*sigh*...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

What did the Jewish peadophile say to the child?

"Wanna buy some candy?"

 

[The Commish]

So, vat, you don't love no more?! After all I been through...*sigh*...

What means this?

 

[wikkidpissah]

So, vat, you don't love no more?! After all I been through...*sigh*...

What means this?

Kinda my Jon Stewart impression...

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

They have a hell of a roster of stand-up comedians.

 

[Jayrod]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

 

[msommer]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

Wait. You are confused about where the idea that the Hebrews are the "chosen people" comes from? Or you don't understand why that idea influences people's political beliefs?

The second question is sort of complicated. The first one isn't: According to the Old Testament (and Torah) the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

So what happened when they split into Christianity and Jewism? Who was chosen then? The ones who followed his son?

I think we should take statements from several thousand years ago with a rather large amount of salt when discussing today's world

 

[Apple Jack]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

You just left your posse.

 

[The Commish]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

Any idea what scripture they use to come to this conclusion?

 

[otello]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

Wait. You are confused about where the idea that the Hebrews are the "chosen people" comes from? Or you don't understand why that idea influences people's political beliefs?

The second question is sort of complicated. The first one isn't: According to the Old Testament (and Torah) the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

So what happened when they split into Christianity and Jewism? Who was chosen then? The ones who followed his son?I think we should take statements from several thousand years ago with a rather large amount of salt when discussing today's world

Regarding your first questions:John 15:16 It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I think we should take statements from several thousand years ago with a rather large amount of salt when discussing today's world

I'd prefer we ignore them completely, both in regard to politics...and everything else.

 

[SWC]

What did the Jewish peadophile say to the child?

"Wanna buy some candy?"

hey mcgarnical do not like this one brohan just trying to help take that to the bank

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

Wouldn't their rebuttal be something along the lines of "maybe the USA is the instrument through which God protects them"?

I feel like that's a pretty common excuse I hear for...pretty much anything.

 

[The Commish]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

Wouldn't their rebuttal be something along the lines of "maybe the USA is the instrument through which God protects them"?

I feel like that's a pretty common excuse I hear for...pretty much anything.

I can probably see this coming from them, but that'd be even more wrong than believing we should be in bed with Israel politically because they are God's chosen ones theologically.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

Wouldn't their rebuttal be something along the lines of "maybe the USA is the instrument through which God protects them"?

I feel like that's a pretty common excuse I hear for...pretty much anything.

I can probably see this coming from them, but that'd be even more wrong than believing we should be in bed with Israel politically because they are God's chosen ones theologically.

While I agree with you, history is littered with people that fought or acted in the name of God's will. People that, when confronted with the idea of why a mere human would need to act on the wants and desires of an omnipotent being, retorted with the notion that they were the vessel through which that omnipotent god was acting.

It both gives them justification for their actions and makes them feel special at the same time. Both of which lie at the core of many of the deeply religious.

I have little doubt that there is a lot of overlap between these people and the people that believe Jews are the chosen people of God.

 

[Sinn Fein]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

 

[Zow]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

If this is true, God has done a pretty ####ty job of it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

If this is true, God has done a pretty ####ty job of it.

Hey back off, there was that one time where he murdered a bunch of innocent babies and kittens for them.

 

[facook]

Psalm 122:6 - Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you." Many Bible-believing Christians believe God will prosper/protect/bless people who stand with Israel. Whether Israel is "standing with God" or not they believe it is important to protect the Jewish people and the Jewish state. If you believe in the truth and relevance of the Bible it's not a strange philosophy. If you don't, it sounds ridiculous. Pretty much like most other Christian beliefs I guess.

 

[shader]

Here is your problem:

There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

I agree with your sentiment. Many people don't. Including many Republicans, most Israelis and a large percentage of Muslims.

I am wondering if any of our resident posters share this opinion. I'm really trying to understand it because I've heard it from a TON of people I had a pretty decent amount of respect for when it came to their theology. On this, I think they are completely lost and I'm just trying to understand that side of things.

It's very difficult to understand how a Christian would believe this. The NT is pretty clear that Israel rejected Jesus. Obviously Jews feel differently, so I'm assuming you are referring to christians who think they are Gods people.

All I can say is it's bad theology.

 

[Jayrod]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

If this is true, God has done a pretty ####ty job of it.

Maybe "care for them" isn't correct. Heck even in the OT he let them get decimated by the Persians and Babylonians. I think preserve them is a more accurate phrase, like not let them be completely annihilated. Low bar, but they do seem to have a lot of enemies.

 

[Jayrod]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

According to us Christians, when they rejected Jesus.

 

[oso diablo]

my spiritual notion (not strong enough yet to call it a belief), based on a holistic view of the NT, is that the term "Israel" scripturally now means the entire body of Jehovah-God followers - not just the Jews, but also Christians.

politically, my view is that the US should remain strong allies with the country of Israel because they are the country in that region most closely aligned with our principles.

 

[cstu]

Psalm 122:6 - Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you." Many Bible-believing Christians believe God will prosper/protect/bless people who stand with Israel. Whether Israel is "standing with God" or not they believe it is important to protect the Jewish people and the Jewish state. If you believe in the truth and relevance of the Bible it's not a strange philosophy. If you don't, it sounds ridiculous. Pretty much like most other Christian beliefs I guess.

The Koran says the same thing.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

If this is true, God has done a pretty ####ty job of it.

My goodness. Woz is all grows up. Saying stuff that isn't stupid and might be thought of as insightful, or even poignant!

I am duly impressed.

Then I remember that you are the same guy who said that Offspring's "Self Esteem" spoke to you.

 

[Leviathan]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

According to us Christians, when they rejected Jesus.

Jesus and the 12 diciples were Jews.Ironic, no?

 

[cstu]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

If this is true, God has done a pretty ####ty job of it.

My goodness. Woz is all grows up. Saying stuff that isn't stupid and might be thought of as insightful, or even poignant!

I am duly impressed.

Then I remember that you are the same guy who said that Offspring's "Self Esteem" spoke to you.

Umm, some of us were that song.

 

[cstu]

If you believe Jews are God's chosen people then why haven't you converted to Judaism?

 

[skol asylum]

If God created us, then we are all his chosen people. Even those that don't believe in him.

 

[Zow]

If God created us, then we are all his chosen people. Even those that don't believe in him.

Reason and logic do not belong in this thread. We are talking about a book comprised of separate recorded oral traditions that were comprised by a particular group for political purposes.

 

[Fennis]

If you believe Jews are God's chosen people then why haven't you converted to Judaism?

shiksa-appeal

 

[Fennis]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Leviathan" data-cid="17834179" data-time="1425527628"><p><p>Not really, Alanis.ETA - what is wrong with the quote feature?

chosen people know how to format

 

[Jayrod]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Leviathan" data-cid="17834179" data-time="1425527628"><p><p>Not really, Alanis.ETA - what is wrong with the quote feature?

chosen people know how to format

I'm on my phone. This thing is crazy.

 

[jon_mx]

I've been hearing this a lot lately and I cringe every time I hear it. It really bothers me and is a legit issue people should have with religion and politics. I don't understand the theology behind this sentiment at all. I'm not sure it even exists. There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

Thoughts?

Where does this principle come from and how on earth do you wish to enforce it? You think it should be illegal for people to use their religious values as a basis for how they vote? Is selfish greed a better reason to support a politician or issue? And why pick this issue to harp on it? The only way you are going to get rid of religious influence in how people think is genocide. Oh well, I will let the usual suspects carry on.

 

[The Commish]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

I'd have to go with "when they burned his Son on the cross" for $200 Alex

 

[Sinn Fein]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

I'd have to go with "when they burned his Son on the cross" for $200 Alex

What bible are you reading?

 

[The Commish]

I've been hearing this a lot lately and I cringe every time I hear it. It really bothers me and is a legit issue people should have with religion and politics. I don't understand the theology behind this sentiment at all. I'm not sure it even exists. There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

Thoughts?

Where does this principle come from and how on earth do you wish to enforce it? You think it should be illegal for people to use their religious values as a basis for how they vote? Is selfish greed a better reason to support a politician or issue? And why pick this issue to harp on it? The only way you are going to get rid of religious influence in how people think is genocide. Oh well, I will let the usual suspects carry on.

What principle? I don't even know what you're talking about here. Do you?

 

[The Commish]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

I'd have to go with "when they burned his Son on the cross" for $200 Alex

What bible are you reading?

Holy Crap....my wife was talking to me about building a fire in our fire pit tonight while I was typing that out. My bad!

 

[facook]

Psalm 122:6 - Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you." Many Bible-believing Christians believe God will prosper/protect/bless people who stand with Israel. Whether Israel is "standing with God" or not they believe it is important to protect the Jewish people and the Jewish state. If you believe in the truth and relevance of the Bible it's not a strange philosophy. If you don't, it sounds ridiculous. Pretty much like most other Christian beliefs I guess.

The Koran says the same thing.

You serious Clark? I guess the desire of many Muslims to destroy Israel shouldn't be viewed as too different from the desire of Christians to wipe out Jews back in the day. Seems completely antithetical to their scriptures though.