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Top 101 Movies of the 90s. We are done. If I knock out Amadeus/Brazil/Ran, We get to have an 80s countdown!! (1 Viewer)

El Floppo said:
that and the opening tracking shot from The Player are all-timers.
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The movie was killed but one of the best oners I've ever seen was in the movie Inherent Vice with Joaquin Phoenix and Katherine Waterston that is done in a tight location and the 'kicker' is that Waterson is naked and delivers her lines with PEFECTION as...  well you  have to see.

It is not shot perfect because of a 'slight' focus issue which made it stand out to me so I  went  back to find out why PTA left a 'bad-shot' in the movie only to discover it was a F'ng ONER!  I timed it and it went well over 5 minutes and then I was blown away because I noted Waterson strips completely and had to hit her marks perfectly and that PTA had to be perfect, same with Phoenix.

Its not a famous scene but my Gawd its one of the best scenes because of  the difficulty.  I didn't love the movie but PTA and specifically Waterson gets high marks from me for one of the most amazing movie scenes due to the difficulty.  Waterson is an AMAZING actress IMHO.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
The movie was killed but one of the best oners I've ever seen was in the movie Inherent Vice with Joaquin Phoenix and Katherine Waterston that is done in a tight location and the 'kicker' is that Waterson is naked and delivers her lines with PEFECTION as...  well you  have to see.

It is not shot perfect because of a 'slight' focus issue which made it stand out to me so I  went  back to find out why PTA left a 'bad-shot' in the movie only to discover it was a F'ng ONER!  I timed it and it went well over 5 minutes and then I was blown away because I noted Waterson strips completely and had to hit her marks perfectly and that PTA had to be perfect, same with Phoenix.

Its not a famous scene but my Gawd its one of the best scenes because of  the difficulty.  I didn't love the movie but PTA and specifically Waterson gets high marks from me for one of the most amazing movie scenes due to the difficulty.  Waterson is an AMAZING actress IMHO.
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I never saw it...now I'd like to.

What are your thoughts on 1917?

 
KarmaPolice said:
I’m funny how?  Funny, like, I’m a clown?  I amuse you?

#9:  GOODFELLAS

I know the masses won't care, and people in the movie thread probably knew this was coming, but this is 100% the movie that I had in mind that would not have shown up on my list about 4 years ago when I was thinking about doing my countdown like the 00s and 10s.   I was going start the damn thread by saying something like -" let's get this out of the way, there is going to be no Goodfellas, Glengarry, Wes Anderson, or Coen comedies on my list"...    Obviously, I have come around on the movie now and can appreciate Scorsese more, but unlike the others, I don't see this one climbing much higher than 30 for the 90s - mostly because of the v.o (I turn on the movie a bit when Karen's voiceover kicks in),  and my general dislike of Joe Pesci.    It was my #33, and 80s' #1 movie.   
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every time I hear Layla I want to watch this movie 

 
Say, Lou, didya hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plates, so he went and changed his name to J3L2404?

#8:  FARGO

My #26 and 80s' #5.   I am a bit more in tune to the Coen dramas.   Jerry and Marge are a couple of my favorite characters of the 90s.   Jerry cracks me up with just how inept and over his head he is in this world.   Marge being that rare, good, wholesome character that weirdly doesn't seem to change a bit throughout the movie.    Love it.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Say, Lou, didya hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plates, so he went and changed his name to J3L2404?

#8:  FARGO

My #26 and 80s' #5.   I am a bit more in tune to the Coen dramas.   Jerry and Marge are a couple of my favorite characters of the 90s.   Jerry cracks me up with just how inept and over his head he is in this world.   Marge being that rare, good, wholesome character that weirdly doesn't seem to change a bit throughout the movie.    Love it.  
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as heavy a hitter as i've ever enjoyed ... Macy steals it, imo -

Buscemi & Stormare needed a "buddy" flick.

Wade rules. 

as does Proudfoot. 

can't find a ding in it's armor - top of the craft, right here. 

:wub:

 
KarmaPolice said:
Say, Lou, didya hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plates, so he went and changed his name to J3L2404?

#8:  FARGO

My #26 and 80s' #5.   I am a bit more in tune to the Coen dramas.   Jerry and Marge are a couple of my favorite characters of the 90s.   Jerry cracks me up with just how inept and over his head he is in this world.   Marge being that rare, good, wholesome character that weirdly doesn't seem to change a bit throughout the movie.    Love it.  
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I think it can be argued that Fargo is a comedy.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Marge being that rare, good, wholesome character that weirdly doesn't seem to change a bit throughout the movie.    
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But she does change within the movie - she becomes more cynical when she finds out her old classmate lied about his wife dying which helps her see that Jerry has been lying to her all along. Before that she was much too "naive" to realize that people can't be trusted - even terrible liars like Jerry.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
But she does change within the movie - she becomes more cynical when she finds out her old classmate lied about his wife dying which helps her see that Jerry has been lying to her all along. Before that she was much too "naive" to realize that people can't be trusted - even terrible liars like Jerry.
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i think her final scene, where she's transporting Stormare, really hammers that point you made home ... she sounds much more forlorn and jaded as she poses the questions ... the goofy innocence is long gone at that point. 

i loved the arc 👍

 
Dr. Octopus said:
But she does change within the movie - she becomes more cynical when she finds out her old classmate lied about his wife dying which helps her see that Jerry has been lying to her all along. Before that she was much too "naive" to realize that people can't be trusted - even terrible liars like Jerry.
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Great point.   I guess I overlooked that when I posted and was thinking her overall character and personality.   I took that as more her becoming wiser to the world and less changing fundamentally and being more cynical.  

 
otb_lifer said:
i think her final scene, where she's transporting Stormare, really hammers that point you made home ... she sounds much more forlorn and jaded as she poses the questions ... the goofy innocence is long gone at that point. 

i loved the arc 👍
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Also a great point about her chiding Stormare in the car.  There was a change in tone with her there. 

 
Fargo is absolutely a comedy. But it's a tragi-comedy.

And I am always baffled that people can't figure out what the Mike Yanagita scene is for. It's only the pivotal point of the movie.

 
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Oops, catching up a little here:

LA Confidential is one that moves up my all time list every time I watch it. Everything works there - acting. photography, music, etc. It's a 2.5 hour film that flies by with no let up.

Rushmore - I couldn't get into the creepy characters and it just wasn't funny enough to make up for them. I like Moonrise Kingdom and Grand Budapest much better.

Being John Malkovich - Sorry Wikkid, but I hated this film. A clever starting idea with a weak ending. Keener plays one of the most obnoxious movie characters ever, but despite this we're stuck watching Cusack stay obsessed with her (?) right through the end. It sucked.

Heat is a brilliant film that takes it's time developing interesting characters with a great cast. Like LA Confidential it moves by amazingly fast. 

Fargo is easily the Coen brothers best film. Watching a frustrated Buscemi say "Who the F are you" to a return of "No Jean, no money" on the top of the parking garage still makes me laugh. And McDormand was great in it. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Fargo is absolutely a comedy. But it's a tragi-comedy.

And I am always baffled that people can't figure out what the Mike Yanagita scene is for. It's only the pivotal point of the movie.
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Yeah I’ve listened to some podcasts of people who are quite into movies who totally miss on that scene and think it’s just there so we see another side of Margie or something. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah I’ve listened to some podcasts of people who are quite into movies who totally miss on that scene and think it’s just there so we see another side of Margie or something. 
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How do you guys see it? I feel like I'm missing something.

 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah I’ve listened to some podcasts of people who are quite into movies who totally miss on that scene and think it’s just there so we see another side of Margie or something. 
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The gist of the movie is that Marge is not stupid (very far from), but rather naive.

 The first time she sits down with Jerry and he gives her the song and dance - she believes him. After all, ya wouldn't lie to law enforcement would ya? She just can't conceive of dishonesty.

But after her encounter with Mike she has an epiphany. It's in the near silent scene that happens when she starts driving home. You see the wave of realization come over her face (great performance by FM) - if Mike was lying then maybe Jerry was too. It's her break in the case.

There's a great 30 minute deconstruction on Kanopy. Search for Existential Meaning: Fargo. It delves well into the dichotomy that it's Jerry vs Marge.

 
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Mr. Mojo said:
How do you guys see it? I feel like I'm missing something.
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Not sure really. She clearly takes him totally at his word and then is really shocked to find out it was all made up. She hasn’t considered that. Then of course that leads right into Jerry lying. Jerry is a lot like Mike. Seemingly a really sweet guy but also something just seems off- he’s nervous and uncomfortable. Plus early in the movie when they find the triple homicide, she says the suspects have to be from outside of Brainerd. She’s right but also sort of not right. She never considers someone from that town could be capable of something evil.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Say, Lou, didya hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plates, so he went and changed his name to J3L2404?

#8:  FARGO

My #26 and 80s' #5.   I am a bit more in tune to the Coen dramas.   Jerry and Marge are a couple of my favorite characters of the 90s.   Jerry cracks me up with just how inept and over his head he is in this world.   Marge being that rare, good, wholesome character that weirdly doesn't seem to change a bit throughout the movie.    Love it.  
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Fargo is classic Coen Bros.  Love it!  It doesn't beat Lebowski for me, but I have no problem with it being ranked higher.  I'd rank Fargo as my fifth favorite Coen Bros behind Raising ARZ, No Country, True Grit, and obviously Lebowski.

 
I will post 7 and 6 on my break in a little bit here.   I can't decide if it will leave the top 5 more obvious or leave you all more confused.  

 
even an ancillary scene, like when Lou goes up around Moose Lake to question "Jerry's loudmouth" ... just ####### kills -

"so he says to me, you think i'm some kinda jerk? 'ceptin he doesn't use the word 'jerk'"

"oh, i got ya" 

"then he says the last person that called him a jerk wound up dead, and whadda i think of that? i says ... well, that don't sound like such a good deal for him"

:lmao:

 
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otb_lifer said:
even an ancillary scene, like when Lou goes up around Moose Lake to question "Jerry's loudmouth" ... just ####### kills -

"so he says to me, you think i'm some kinda jerk? 'ceptin he doesn't use the word 'jerk'"

"oh, i got ya" 

"then he says the last person that called him a jerk wound up dead, and whadda i think of that?"

"i says ... well, that don't sound like such a good deal for him"

:lmao:
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I know someone that talks exactly like that guy.

Every now and then you run into someone that talks like a Fargo character. Last year at the driving range, the greens keeper was on the phone and said "Okay, real good then" at least 8 times in a couple minute conversation. It was awesome.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Fargo is absolutely a comedy. But it's a tragi-comedy.

And I am always baffled that people can't figure out what the Mike Yanagita scene is for. It's only the pivotal point of the movie.
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Is it that they don't understand the scene, or they don't like his mannerisms/speech?    I always think the scene feels a bit weird, but it's mostly that Mike is weird and desperate - you're such a super lady, Marge! 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Is it that they don't understand the scene, or they don't like his mannerisms/speech?    I always think the scene feels a bit weird, but it's mostly that Mike is weird and desperate - you're such a super lady, Marge! 
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I've seen a few debates on what it's even for. Many people think it's just a throw away scene to show more Midwestern quirks.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
LA Confidential is one that moves up my all time list
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It is one of the all-time best movies.

The 'recipe' for a 'good-movie' is 3 good scenes without messing up the rest.  You 'might' get lucky with a good performance with good writing/dialogue/a technically great shot, or something to push it over the edge.

LA Confidential has one great scene after another with exceptional performances, scintillating dialogue (I love just about every line Cromwell delivers as the police Captain, he must love watching that movie because I love his character and if I were an actor THAT would be the one part I would want), technical aspects like color gradient/depth of focus/reflective shots/lighting/camera movement/panning etc. before mentioning the editing job.  Love soundtrack mix of period pieces with rarely used trumpet scoring.  So much but those SCENES stacked one-on-top-of-the-other.

Then the script.  A McElroy novel, which is insanely complex put into the capable hands of Brian Helgeland who SMASHES it!  So complicated but it gets narrow and focused to a razor's edge by the climatic end.  How he  weaved repeats like,  the glasses and  fitness reports early into the script to have them pay off later, chef's kiss brilliance.

I LOVE LA Confidential.  

I pimped this already but check out this reaction vid.  It will make you want to rewatch tonight.

  LA Confidential (1997) First Time Watching! Movie Reaction!!

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I've seen a few debates on what it's even for. Many people think it's just a throw away scene to show more Midwestern quirks.
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Scene also shows that Marge realizes she’s capable of mistakes as she looked like she was willing to consider an affair.  Nobody is perfect and even somebody that appears super nice can make a mistake - especially a huge like Jerry getting his wife killed.

 
Further, Marge is a great example of existentialist ideals. 

"In existentialism, authenticity is the degree to which a person's actions are congruent with his or her values and desires, despite external pressures to social conformity. "

She remains true to her values always. Contrast that with Jerry who is so pressured by externalities that he's willing to sacrifice anything to break free from them.

In that light, the real villain of the movie is Wade Gustafson - the father in law.

 
AAABatteries said:
Scene also shows that Marge realizes she’s capable of mistakes as she looked like she was willing to consider an affair.  Nobody is perfect and even somebody that appears super nice can make a mistake - especially a huge like Jerry getting his wife killed.
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Not remotely. Marge would never do that. She didn't even want him to sit in the same booth with her.

What she would also never do, however, is make Mike feel bad by declining a lunch meet up. That'd just be rude.

Minnesotans never say what they mean, even when they're mean. "Minnesota Nice" means I don't really like you but I desperately hope you'll like me.

 
One last thing - don't discount the final scene.

When Norm is lamenting that his design will only go on the three cent stamp - and thus is tickling around the edges of the discontent that drove Jerry - Marge pulls him back from the edge with genuine encouragement and the declaration of "We're doin' pretty good, Norm."

Marge remains pure goodness.

I'm honestly tearing up a bit as I write that. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
I assume we are talking about the same movie. It’s fine but I don’t think it really holds up as a classic. Not even that directors best work. Not even their 2nd or 3rd best work imo. 
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I don’t want to spotlight, but is it that dinosaur one by Senor Spielbergo’s American equivalent?

 
Andy Dufresne said:
In that light, the real villain of the movie is Wade Gustafson - the father in law.
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Presnell deserved award nominations for that stoic portrayal, his performance didn't miss a beat - probably my second favorite character behind Jerry. 

the scene where him and Grossman cut Jerry down to just a finder's fee for the lot is the most pivotal in the flick, imo. 

"hey, Wade ... whatcha watching?'

"GOPHERS!"

🖤

 
Bracie Smathers said:
I love just about every line Cromwell delivers as the police Captain
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Captain Dudley Smith: Go back to Jersey, sonny. This is the City of the Angels, and you haven't got any wings.

Captain Dudley Smith: I admire you as a policeman - particularly your adherence to violence as a necessary adjunct to the job.

Captain Dudley Smith: Don't start tryin' to do the right thing, boy-o. You haven't the practice.

Captain Dudley Smith: [interrogation at the Victory Motel] Reciprocity, Mr. Hudgens, is the key to every relationship.

Jack Vincennes: Are you sure Golden Boy is up to the task, Cap?

Captain Dudley Smith: Oh, I think you'd be surprised what the lad is capable of.

Captain Dudley Smith: You're a bit of a puzzlement to me these days, Wendell. You don't seem to be your old cruel self anymore. And I had such grand plans for your future.

Captain Dudley Smith: Wendell - I'd like full and docile co-operation on every topic.

 
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