Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Calais Campbell was also cuffed after he pulled over to assist Hill and find out What the Bleep was going on...

NFL Man of the Year to boot, this guy is as stand up a person you will ever meet

 

[Terpman22]

Anyone defending these police officers after that video of the one kicking 'reek need to have their heads examined. I give cops the benefit of the doubt, and they do a great thankless service to our country, but they do have some bad apples in their ranks that get protected by unions. Real police reform starts there, but I digress. This is Scottie Scheffler level bullsh!t and you're not going to convince me otherwise at this point. If Hill had done anything wrong besides speeding (gun, drugs, combativeness, whatever) he would be have been in a jail cell, not playing an NFL football game. That's facts. These cops have nothing on him and some of them should be unemployed on Monday. But they won't be, and there's where the problem is.

Whenever a cop does something over the line/egregious/definitely did something bad, I often see this "bad apple" sort of reply about them.

So I would like to take this moment to remind people of how that analogy goes and what it actually means

It comes from "One bad apple spoils the barrel" which is kind of the opposite of how its used these days. People seem to misuse this as a "its just one guy, the rest are fine" when in actuality, it really means "if one is bad, its to assume they are all bad"

And its pretty evident to me whenever these situations come up, inevitably when you get the report on the cop its usually like "this guy also shot a puppy once and has 42 unlawful use of force complaints against him"

I'm not saying THIS is the case this time, but I think we have all seen various versions of this via endless viral videos of tragic occurrences over and over in our society.

What's shocking to me is every time, with all of this evidence we have seen about how American Cops perform, specifically when it comes to Black Men, there are always the

"Cops are divine" sort of guys.

It always weirds me out.

 

[BladeRunner]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

This is schtick right

Negative. Should've prefaced that with "usually police don't take you down", though.

 

[BladeRunner]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

 

[Todem]

I am patiently awaiting all the facts to emerge. The snap judgments that are born on social media is really what’s destroying our society and dividing us. People just be patient. The facts will emerge and if the police were overzealous, they will be disciplined accordingly. In fact, if it was overzealous policing, It’s a real shame. Things like this shouldn’t happen, but unfortunately, in our society, they do literally every day to ordinary people white, black, yellow, brown. It doesn’t matter. It happens all the time to every day people. So let’s not make this a racial thing, please.

It’s a people problem.

 

[Terpman22]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

 

[BladeRunner]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

Not everyone. Just the dirtbags.

 

[Yenrub]

Worth noting they also handcuffed Calais Campbell as well.

Sounds like overzealous police to me.

Calais Campbell is known to be a gentle giant. Let's see what the video shows. One of the officers has been placed on administrative leave.

>>Dolphins DL Calais Campbell just told me he was detained in handcuffs by police this morning trying to deescalate the Tyreek Hill matter. He says never in his 17-year career or life has he had anything like that happen.<<

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Why would he even be there? I’ve driven past friends that were pulled over. I’ve never decided to pull over and get involved

Campbell said (on 1st Take) that he noticed Tyreek in handcuffs and an officer was being rough with him (Tyreek) so he got out to try to de-escalate the situation.

 

[jon_mx]

My guess is a cop with an ego meets a football player with an ego. A football player is allowed to have an ego. A cop needs to keep his ego in check and if they can't, they are in the wrong profession.

 

[TennesseeJed]

and if the police were overzealous, they will be disciplined accordingly.

History shows - this is not always true...


But, for me, there is really only one fact that I would like to understand further:


Why was Hill out of the vehicle?


For me, that will go a long way towards deciding who escalated this situation beyond where it needed to be for a moving violation traffic stop.

 

[renesauz]

Lots of questions, no real answers. The very little we have seen and heard seems to look bad for the cops involved.

But conclusions shouldn't be drawn in any direction right now.

 

[packdog]

i'll speculate tyreek was maybe rushing to game or just going a little fast and/or careless (rolling stop though stop sign?). maybe slammed on break to not hit cop then cop gets overzealous cause it was his bike that almost got hit but didn't. seen it a million times in sfla. i once got a roadside sobriety test cause a sfla cop thought i almost hit him coming out a plaza making a right turn. next thing i knew there was 6 cars around with the one yelling at me like a maniac. only way i can fathom that harsh a response for two simple traffic violations

 

[Manster]

What were the two traffic violations?

What I'm seeing is he was non compliant with the officers. He's saying he wasn't......procedure is cuff for officer safety if suspect is non compliant.

Look, Tyreek isn't a great human being. He was probly driving recklessly, got caught, mouthed off to the cops, and here we are. Now it's gonna turn into a media circus.

 

[jon_mx]

Is this really a thing for fantasy football? He’s not in any real trouble is he?

Well, the football player certainly isn't in trouble. So probably not.

 

[packdog]

What were the two traffic violations?

What I'm seeing is he was non compliant with the officers. He's saying he wasn't......procedure is cuff for officer safety if suspect is non compliant.

Look, Tyreek isn't a great human being. He was probly driving recklessly, got caught, mouthed off to the cops, and here we are. Now it's gonna turn into a media circus.

careless driving and no seatbelt. campbell got cuffed for disobeying a police order. cops were just pissed and went overzealous. they do that a lot

 

[JohnnyU]

Probably belongs in the FFA forum at this point, since Hill is not in any danger of missing time for legal troubles.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Calais Campbell was also cuffed after he pulled over to assist Hill and find out What the Bleep was going on...

NFL Man of the Year to boot, this guy is as stand up a person you will ever meet

I only needed to know two data points to have an educated guess on this situation:
1. What MOP shares about Calais Campbell (which was reported widely yesterday). Dude is as class act of a guy as there is in the NFL.
2. At least 1 officer was already being disciplined as of yesterday. That doesn’t happen typically.

Anyway, crazy stuff.

 

[Manster]

I find it curious that the way this is being pushed forward is Tyreek is totally innocent.....just over zealous cops.

If Tyreek wasn't an incredibly talented football player, he would've been gone from the NFL a long time ago. Look up his timeline of getting away with violence, and abuse.

 

[packdog]

I find it curious that the way this is being pushed forward is Tyreek is totally innocent.....just over zealous cops.

If Tyreek wasn't an incredibly talented football player, he would've been gone from the NFL a long time ago. Look up his timeline of getting away with violence, and abuse.

the same could be said about you pushing his guilt and the narrative that he was mouthing off by simply citing his past. his past has nothing to do with this incident. already one of the officers is on leave. i do believe tyreek is guilty of minor traffic violations in this instance. i also will speculate the cops went over zealous in reaction to it, likely in my opinion cause one of them perceived themself or their bike to be a potential victim of the careless driving. hence the overzealous response. we'll see when the bodycam gets released

 

[karl.Racki]

The Police union put a ******** statement out.

First he was never under arrest, so why was he on the ground and hand cuffed? Oh right 4 police officer safety were in trouble.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

(There is no shortage of bad people in the NFL, but Hill might be among the very least sympathetic.)

 

[Terpman22]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

Are these incidents related somehow?

 

[Bad_Mo2]

So, let me get this straight...guy gets pulled over and cited for reckless driving but they just - give him a ticket and escort him to the stadium so he is not late?

Any other schlub gets brought to the station and detained for like 8 hours.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Anyone defending these police officers after that video of the one kicking 'reek need to have their heads examined. I give cops the benefit of the doubt, and they do a great thankless service to our country, but they do have some bad apples in their ranks that get protected by unions. Real police reform starts there, but I digress. This is Scottie Scheffler level bullsh!t and you're not going to convince me otherwise at this point. If Hill had done anything wrong besides speeding (gun, drugs, combativeness, whatever) he would be have been in a jail cell, not playing an NFL football game. That's facts. These cops have nothing on him and some of them should be unemployed on Monday. But they won't be, and there's where the problem is.

Whenever a cop does something over the line/egregious/definitely did something bad, I often see this "bad apple" sort of reply about them.

So I would like to take this moment to remind people of how that analogy goes and what it actually means

It comes from "One bad apple spoils the barrel" which is kind of the opposite of how its used these days. People seem to misuse this as a "its just one guy, the rest are fine" when in actuality, it really means "if one is bad, its to assume they are all bad"

And its pretty evident to me whenever these situations come up, inevitably when you get the report on the cop its usually like "this guy also shot a puppy once and has 42 unlawful use of force complaints against him"

I'm not saying THIS is the case this time, but I think we have all seen various versions of this via endless viral videos of tragic occurrences over and over in our society.

What's shocking to me is every time, with all of this evidence we have seen about how American Cops perform, specifically when it comes to Black Men, there are always the

"Cops are divine" sort of guys.

It always weirds me out.

The analogy fits for me in this way. The bad apple can have negative consequences for the force (publicity, perception, trust, etc.) and for the good police officers on that force. I don't believe bad cops will turn good cops bad. It may turn those on the fence, but not all. Most cops are undoubtedly good.

That said, and as I posted earlier, I ALWAYS give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. I gave the Scheffler police that benefit until proven otherwise. I gave the police in this incident the benefit of the doubt until they no longer deserved it. Police officers do have immensely difficult jobs with duties not many of us could dream of taking on and in most cases they make split second decisions for the betterment of all while putting themselves in harm's way. Yes, they signed up for it, but people need to understand the good police officers do exponentially overwhelm the bad. I wish the good deeds got 10% of the pub all these negative incidents do. We'd be overrun with good news.

Still, I readily acknowledge reform is needed and the best way is to fix it all is the dissolution these damn unions.

 

[-OZ-]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

 

[BlackCrowes]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

great question

 

[Terpman22]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Anyone defending these police officers after that video of the one kicking 'reek need to have their heads examined. I give cops the benefit of the doubt, and they do a great thankless service to our country, but they do have some bad apples in their ranks that get protected by unions. Real police reform starts there, but I digress. This is Scottie Scheffler level bullsh!t and you're not going to convince me otherwise at this point. If Hill had done anything wrong besides speeding (gun, drugs, combativeness, whatever) he would be have been in a jail cell, not playing an NFL football game. That's facts. These cops have nothing on him and some of them should be unemployed on Monday. But they won't be, and there's where the problem is.

Actually, we don't have all the "facts" yet, just some carefully chosen video. I'm willing to change my mind on this when the actual "facts" come out, but some online forum guy isn't going to convince me otherwise because "some cops are dirty". And doesn't the opposite also hold true? That some people are dirty? MOST traffic stops are uneventful and of the ones that aren't, only a very small percentage of those are the result of bad cops.

I would say anyone defending Tyreek with his history probably should have THEIR head examined. How does that sound? You like that?

Again, I'm willing to change my mind when the actual facts and evidence come out, but I give cops the benefit of the doubt knowing what they have to deal with day in and day out.

This has nothing to do with Tyreek's history. Nothing. So why even bring it up?

Carefully chosen video? LMAO. Dude, are you trying to say kicking a handcuffed detainee is OK under any circumstance? Are you saying it was warranted? Or are you saying the video was manipulated?

It's unlikely all the "facts" in this case will ever come out. They never do. Municipalities and police unions ensure it. Charges will dropped and these guys will be back on the beat in days. Look at the Scheffler case. We will never know the whole story, but Scottie is a golden boy that has no dirt on him. Yet he was treated like the scum of the earth and it was all swept under the rug from the public eye. Now imagine if this happened to someone without the means to defend themselves and you might know where I'm going with it. I'm a white male with zero record and I've had an instance where I was worried for my safety during a traffic violation. I was going 12 over the limit on a turn on a highway, yet the cop made me feel extremely uncomfortable even as I afforded him every bit of respect I could. It happens. Get your head out of the sand.

Here's the only fact that really matters to me right now. They did not take Tyreek to jail. That's a fact. Now, why do you think this is? Do you think after all that went down, cuffing 'reek face down on the pavement, kicking him while detained, they went ahead and said, "let's be nice here and let him go now just because?" You don't think they'd have thrown him in lockup if they had any bit of justification?

Or more likely, do you think it was because the guy did nothing wrong past a simple traffic violation, possibly speeding and maybe...maybe being disrespectful? Be real here. You're digging yourself a moral hole you won't be able to climb out of not that you seem to care. This is not the hill to die on.

The cops messed up here and that's pretty clear at this point.

I think it's fine that the wife-beater got ruffed up a little bit by people in a position of power over him. Serves him right. I'm extremely comfortable with that moral position, and I don't plan to climb out of it.

Great player. Horrible human being. Zero sympathy.

That's not the point. You think the cop did this because of his "priors?" GMAFB This reckless police force was willing to do this in front of cameras. Brazen act of undeserved violence. What do you think they're doing behind the scenes? You don't think they'd hesitate to rough up Joe Public just because they were in a bad mood? What if cameras weren't on them? What then? What if it happened to someone without the means to defend themselves? Get out of here with your karma bullsh!t, these cops are rotten to the core.

I'm a big guy but extremely respectful, a soft spoken gentle giant. I've been slammed on the trunk of a police car and put in cuffs because I was going 12 over the speed limit at night on some Appalachian mountain roads at night. My ribs hurt for days. I did nothing else wrong. I had out of state plates because I was going to work out east for a job in my early 20's. The first cop came to my window with his hand on his weapon. I turned on my dome light and put both hands on the wheel as he approached. They called in backup. Two more cars. They searched my car. I was terrified. In the end, I wound up with a $200+ ticket for touching the center line which I still don't believe I did. Nothing for the speed. No other explanation for what happened, just a "be more careful son." I was a poor white kid. What recourse did someone like me have in that case? Seriously? What if it went even more sideways than it did?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

 

[-OZ-]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

I’m only lightly laughing at the idea of a union for service members.
But yeah, the uniformed military is certainly harsher than civilian organizations. The same idea applies though, these are often stressful jobs where a serious investigation should generally mean admin leave, or a change of assignment depending on your job.

 

[Manster]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

So the cop is abusive and get canned. Tyreek is abusive (several horrible incidents) and gets paid millions of dollars to entertain us? What a country!

Dirt bags who are good at football always kinda skate by

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

Steeper for what? What did Hill do? Mouthed off? Do we even know he did?

Good thing you haven't been a part of the new woke military, things have changed.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

So the cop is abusive and get canned. Tyreek is abusive (several horrible incidents) and gets paid millions of dollars to entertain us? What a country!

Dirt bags who are good at football always kinda skate by

Dudes that are good at football? How about dudes that are good with finances? Picking stocks? Asset management? Real estate?

Money talks. It's that simple. It's not a black and a white thing as much as you want to make it that.

 

[Manster]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

So the cop is abusive and get canned. Tyreek is abusive (several horrible incidents) and gets paid millions of dollars to entertain us? What a country!

Dirt bags who are good at football always kinda skate by

Dudes that are good at football? How about dudes that are good with finances? Picking stocks? Asset management? Real estate?

Money talks. It's that simple. It's not a black and a white thing as much as you want to make it that.

Ummmmm, you need to check yourself man. Nowhere in that post did I bring race into it. But you sure did!

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

So the cop is abusive and get canned. Tyreek is abusive (several horrible incidents) and gets paid millions of dollars to entertain us? What a country!

Dirt bags who are good at football always kinda skate by

Dudes that are good at football? How about dudes that are good with finances? Picking stocks? Asset management? Real estate?

Money talks. It's that simple. It's not a black and a white thing as much as you want to make it that.

Ummmmm, you need to check yourself man. Nowhere in that post did I bring race into it. But you sure did!

Riiiiiiiiiiiight, you just chose to bring up a profession that's predominately black but you weren't implying anything. Gotcha. Apologies.

 

[Terpman22]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

I’m only lightly laughing at the idea of a union for service members.
But yeah, the uniformed military is certainly harsher than civilian organizations. The same idea applies though, these are often stressful jobs where a serious investigation should generally mean admin leave, or a change of assignment depending on your job.

I'll also add in the fact there is no such thing as OT pay in the military and the starting pay is basically "at poverty"

Other than that, its the same!

 

[JohnnyU]

@moderators, please move this thread out of this forum.

 

[Manster]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

So the cop is abusive and get canned. Tyreek is abusive (several horrible incidents) and gets paid millions of dollars to entertain us? What a country!

Dirt bags who are good at football always kinda skate by

Dudes that are good at football? How about dudes that are good with finances? Picking stocks? Asset management? Real estate?

Money talks. It's that simple. It's not a black and a white thing as much as you want to make it that.

Ummmmm, you need to check yourself man. Nowhere in that post did I bring race into it. But you sure did!

Riiiiiiiiiiiight, you just chose to bring up a profession that's predominately black but you weren't implying anything. Gotcha. Apologies.

Yea I see what you're doing. Nice try race baiter! Countdown to this thread being

 

[Terpman22]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

"Tyreek Hill can never be a victim ever b/c he did bad stuff in his past"

Look man I'm not saying Tyreek Hill is a good guy, by any means. If you think someone that did bad things can never be a victim of...bad things, I got nothing.

Strange

 

[ProstheticRGK]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

(There is no shortage of bad people in the NFL, but Hill might be among the very least sympathetic.)

I’m not ever gonna argue that a dude who punches his gf/wife (esp a pregnant belly punch) doesn’t deserve to catch a beating from somebody.

But, that’s not what cops are supposed to do. They are SUPPOSED to uphold and enforce the law. Not act as judge, jury and executioner. Cops need to be held to a high standard of conduct, because they are given a lot of power and a lot of leeway for their safety.

Baby Mama’s brother or dad whooping Tyreek’s butt? Put me on a jury and they get their charges dropped. But just because I don’t like somebody’s actions doesn’t mean cops escalating a minor traffic stop is ok.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

Again, he can be both guilty of one crime, and a victim of a separate unrelated crime. You know that.

Whether the police can be trusted to determine their own guilt or innocence in the latter case is debatable. It's not up to them. You know that, too.

 

[pinkstapler]

I'm real close to changing my entire opinion on this situation due to the posts in this very thread. Maybe another 3 pages of commentary on a bad traffic stop in a fantasy football forum will be enough to get me over the hump. Heck, if we can eke out another 10 pages, we might actually solve racism and fix all bad police too! If we can wrap this up by Saturday, I say we go for gun control and abortion next week. That's what I'm really here for.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Go Phins!

 

[-OZ-]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

Steeper for what? What did Hill do? Mouthed off? Do we even know he did?

Good thing you haven't been a part of the new woke military, things have changed.

AFAIK we still discipline soldiers for disrespect. Or many other things others get away with.

But anyway…

 

[massraider]

Per sources, Tyreek Hill received two citations as a result of his traffic stop Sunday: Careless driving and a seatbelt violation. Calais Campbell, who said after the game police told him they briefly placed him in handcuffs for "disobeying a direct order," did not end up receiving a citation. The Miami-Dade Police Department told me this morning that it remains an internal investigation so they cannot yet provide the details into what led to the citation for careless driving or why Hill was detained face-down on the ground in handcuffs. One of the officers on the scene remains on administrative duty.

x.com

x.com

https://x.com/JeffDarlington/status/1833177505932423645

 

[Manster]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

"Tyreek Hill can never be a victim ever b/c he did bad stuff in his past"

Look man I'm not saying Tyreek Hill is a good guy, by any means. If you think someone that did bad things can never be a victim of...bad things, I got nothing.

Strange

Tyreek may very well be a "victim" here. My gut instinct is to be skeptical that he didn't bring this on for his behavior toward the cops, based on his previous actions, and ability to get away with it.

Why wouldn't he feel above the law? Clearly that's the message he's been fed over the years.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Calais Campbell's own words on FT today with SAS and SS
ESPN link on YT

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

-It's pretty eye opening to hear him tell the story from his POV, doesn't seem to sugarcoat it or pull any punches
What an outstanding person, you wish that was the guy getting out of the car as you are being detained, arrested, ticketed and manhandled by the police
Incredible to hear him share this and not have to avoid giving details, fascinating

 

[SoBeDad]

Local TV interviewed some people before game. Of course, most of them saw it from Tyreek's POV. An honest teenager said his big concern was for his fantasy team!

 

[Deamon]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

"Tyreek Hill can never be a victim ever b/c he did bad stuff in his past"

Look man I'm not saying Tyreek Hill is a good guy, by any means. If you think someone that did bad things can never be a victim of...bad things, I got nothing.

Strange

Tyreek may very well be a "victim" here. My gut instinct is to be skeptical that he didn't bring this on for his behavior toward the cops, based on his previous actions, and ability to get away with it.

Why wouldn't he feel above the law? Clearly that's the message he's been fed over the years.

He says that he respects all cops, wants to be a cop, and did what his father told him and was quiet, cooperative, with his hands on the wheel.

I don't overly believe that to be honest, but I hope we will get the truth. I still think they probably went overboard, but when Hill was describing how he silently obeyed with 2 hands on the wheel, I found that incredibly hard to believe.