Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (4 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

Reports are the Cheetah was going mph in a 35 zone

-I've been slow to correct anyone about the street that Hill was on but I promise you many of us Phins fans that are local, Univ of Miami fans who frequent the stadium, that strip Tyreek was pulled over is almost in the parking lot of Hard Rock. There's a Walgreens and Walmart strip somewhere close to the Stadium but that is about it

3 Hours prior, there is traffic but it's nowhere near what you see about 60-90 minutes before kick off.
Hill could have really injured someone if he was traveling that fast.

The more details that emerge, the more I feel like both sides could have and should have acted in a better manner and I still Calais Campbell
I am trying to get a Storm Duck jersey, rookie DB for Miami and now I think I'm gonna need a Calais Campbell jersey
I was quick to give accolades to Campbell and I still believe he is the best part of this entire incident

This is important information that hasn't been discussed enough in terms of the police response. If anything they showed initial restraint and leniency in letting him go at all if that report is true.

 

[TLEF316]

Obviously both sides look awful here.

If Tyreke doesn't drive too fast/recklessly....99.9% chance nothing happens.
If Tyreke just stops, rolls down his window (keeps it down) and politely/calmly answers questions.....95% chance he just gets a ticket and goes on his way (I'd like to say 100%, but there are always bad cops and this incident certainly appeared to involve one of them). Worst case scenario he maybe gets asked to step out of his car briefly.

Look....Tyreke Hill is not so bright and a legitimately bad guy (based on his prior legal actions). He was like that when he was 19 and I can't imagine the 10's of millions he's been paid to play football has made any improvement. He's as jerk who gets away with it because he can run insanely fast.

All that being said, the main officer involved is clearly an absolute hot head and not fit to be on the force. I can certainly understand being a little jumpy (given Tyreke's general demeanor and the fact that he wouldn't roll down his heavily tinted windows. There's certainly a possibility that sort of situation ends VERY badly for a police officer) but he escalated the situation by the way he talked to him and the way he acted once they got Tyreke out of the car. Once Hill was cuffed (which I sort of understand....again....he was acting erratic and IMO, physically resisting) there was certainly no reason to throw him in a choke hold or "redirect him to the ground".

Then Campbell rolls up.....acting like the class-act that he is. At this point, emotions are running high (they probably shouldn't have been, but that's where they were at that point) but the cops do an absolutely lousy job there too.

I get it....Calais is a BIG dude. But he was calm and compliant and just trying to figure out the situation and de-escalate. You can argue that he should have moved his car when told, but he (in terms of where was standing personally) was not inferring and was polite throughout the whole interaction. But of course, officer hot-head escalates that situation as well. At that point, the dude was pot-committed and just wants everyone in cuffs.

Shame on Hill for being Hill. Shame on the main officer (who should be done. He clearly doesn't have the right temperament to carry a gun) and shame on the other cops on the scene for not stepping in and getting their guy to take a breath (which might have prevented this whole thing from getting to where it did)

 

[SoBeDad]

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

There's no context where the police were wrong for pulling him over for speeding. Don't care who he is or where he's going. Zero issues with that. They could've done a better job handling everything subsequently, but I have no idea how the context that he was speeding to get to his job has any relevance.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been ticketed for careless driving. The context is Tyreek speeding in front of the stadium, and not in a dark street in Liberty City. I doubt if the cops felt any danger.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Well said @TLEF316

I also think it's important in many of these situation to remember that everyone has different life experiences that shape how they view the same incident. Nobody should be taking their own personal point of view and expecting others to see it exactly the same way.

There is room for you to see it "your" way, and room for someone else to see it differently.

 

[FBG Moderator]

but I expect nothing less from Florida.

Please keep the insults out of this thread.

 

[jon_mx]

By the book the cop probably correctly followed protocol. But the cops main objective in resolving a situation should be to handle it with the least amount of escalation as possible. That was not done here. If the cop calmly explained to Tyrek that the quickest way to get on his way was to cooperate and keep his window rolled down, it would have not escalated to what it did.

 

[Terpman22]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

 

[Grahamburn]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

It doesn't change your opinion if Tyreek was literally endangering the lives of others by going 100 MPH in a 35 zone? I'm surprised that cop didn't yoke him out of the car immediately.

To be fair though a McLaren can't safely operate under 100.

 

[TLEF316]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Agreed that officers should be held to a higher standard. They're the ones 100% responsible for knowing laws and procedures and they're the ones carrying legal guns.

But are we 100% sure the bolded is true? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be. (especially in the case of someone like Hill, who has a history). The NFL (or the teams) should probably be providing some formal guidance here (part of the annual rookie symposium?) And If I had to bet, I'd probably bet that they do. Does that mean Tyreke Hill (who again, is not a good guy and not especially bright) paid a single second of attention? Probably not.

Per the website from the NFL Rookie Transition program.....

There are 15 mandatory topics that are presented by the league and by the people who rookies will interact with on a daily basis. This peer-to-peer format creates a collaborative environment for clear and consistent communication.


Mandatory topics include:

• A video introduction to the NFL and league policies
• Player benefits and benefit resources, including their NFLPA player rights and resources, and the NFL programs that are available to them.
• Player expectations, including the importance of sportsmanship, respect in the workplace, media responsibilities and how to work with their club’s public relations staff.
• Social responsibility for players, which covers league policies and the ramifications of issues like driving under the influence, or committing acts of domestic violence or sexual assault.
• Maintaining strong mental health and fitness, and an introduction to the health and safety resources available to all players and their families in times of need.
• An introduction to the culture, values and history of the league and a player’s club.
• Rule changes from college to the pros.

Kinda feel like "here's how you should act when pulled over by the police" is PROBABLY covered at this event to some extent.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Going 100 in a 35 zone will get the average person ARRESTED in Florida
Hill said in the press conference after the game "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"
He would have been inside a jail cell, that's what happens to most around here for doing that
50-60 in a 35, citation (police hate the term "tickets") but 100 in a 35 is more egregious and police have the right and ability to haul you off to jail

Again, I am not taking the side of the police but they are sworn to protect and serve. If someone is going 100 in a 35, you typically want them to pull those folks over
And the fact it was happening on a side street leading right into the parking lot of Hard Rock, it should be the safest place in Miami-Dade/South FL for Tyreek Hill
Only Hill could get himself arrested at the geographical location of this incident

And much appreciation to my fellow Shark Poolers for keeping this thread a good discussion

 

[Manster]

As more details come out, I'm shocked that Tyreek is looking less good.

 

[Manster]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Going 100 in a 35 zone will get the average person ARRESTED in Florida
Hill said in the press conference after the game "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"
He would have been inside a jail cell, that's what happens to most around here for doing that
50-60 in a 35, citation (police hate the term "tickets") but 100 in a 35 is more egregious and police have the right and ability to haul you off to jail

Again, I am not taking the side of the police but they are sworn to protect and serve. If someone is going 100 in a 35, you typically want them to pull those folks over
And the fatc it was happening on a side street leading right into the parking lot of Hard Rock, it should be the safest place in Miami-Dade/South FL for Tyreek Hill
Only Hill could get himself arrested at the geographical location of this incident

And much appreciation to my fellow Shark Poolers for keeping this thread a good discussion

This is correct. Hauled off to jail, and license suspended.

 

[massraider]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Going 100 in a 35 zone will get the average person ARRESTED in Florida
Hill said in the press conference after the game "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"
He would have been inside a jail cell, that's what happens to most around here for doing that
50-60 in a 35, citation (police hate the term "tickets") but 100 in a 35 is more egregious and police have the right and ability to haul you off to jail

"What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"

Buddy, you are a violent, low-IQ, woman-beating sociopath. If you weren't Tyreek Hill, you would likely have landed in prison by now, or possibly the morgue. You should get on your knees every night and thank God that you have a supernatural ability to run after the catch, because otherwise you would be known by an eight-digit number stitched to your shirt, not the number on the back of your jersey. You have been given second chance after second chance because you are Tyreek Hill the football player. Spare me the Rodney King stuff.

 

[Todem]

Going 100 in a 35 zone will get the average person ARRESTED in Florida
Hill said in the press conference after the game "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"
He would have been inside a jail cell, that's what happens to most around here for doing that
50-60 in a 35, citation (police hate the term "tickets") but 100 in a 35 is more egregious and police have the right and ability to haul you off to jail

"What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"

Buddy, you are a violent, low-IQ, woman-beating sociopath. If you weren't Tyreek Hill, you would likely have landed in prison by now, or possibly the morgue. You should get on your knees every night and thank God that you have a supernatural ability to run after the catch, because otherwise you would be known by an eight-digit number stitched to your shirt, not the number on the back of your jersey. You have been given second chance after second chance because you are Tyreek Hill the football player. Spare me the Rodney King stuff.

Truth here too. The guy is a proven low life. But boy can he run fast.

You know it feels like the only one ever to be blackballed by the league was Ray Rice...yet we still have idiots beating on woman (in Tyreeks case pregnant too) and playing sports...like all the time.

Our society is all screwed up.

But as far as this particular topic....he was mistreated here. It was over the top....gotta at least admit that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

When is Tyreek Hill going to be served with Petition to Establish Paternity papers while he is in the huddle inside the Hard Rock?
You know that's coming next

 

[Manster]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

Sounds like the cop was out of line for sure ......but the reason was tyreek was driving extremely recklessly, and then had an attitude about it. That'll make a cop about a quart low on humor......if I did that, I'd be hauled off to jail.

Again, we act as if poor Tyreek was trying to rush to his game, and the mean cops cuffed him......reality is he was endangering the people around him.

Why do we insist on giving these guys special treatment? It enables them to continue being P's of S

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Why do we insist on giving these guys special treatment? It enables them to continue being P's of S

Tyreek Hill is just a bad apple.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There are multiple body-cam feeds it would seem. ESPN has done an outstanding job of piecing it together.
You can't see from the street videos but the body cam on the officer shows how they pushed down on Tyreek on the sidewalk and the officer puts his hands around Tyreek's neck
That's what i saw and that really seems to be outrageously over excessive
The footage of Campbell and Smith trying to help and eventually getting cuffed, brings a tear to your eye

-McDaniel didn't say too much but he certainly took a moment to talk about teammates coming to Hill's rescue. I'm glad I wasn't alone in jumping on that part of the story
I am impressed with how Coach McDaniel is leading the team thru all of this

 

[Terpman22]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

It doesn't change your opinion if Tyreek was literally endangering the lives of others by going 100 MPH in a 35 zone? I'm surprised that cop didn't yoke him out of the car immediately.

To be fair though a McLaren can't safely operate under 100.

Pardon me if I'm not taking these cops word for what the reason for the initial pulling over was. Not to mention the way Tyreek said to Calais "Don't leave me" - I believe Tyreek felt, to a degree, there was a potential for his life being in danger. Why else would he say something like that.

Also - Didn't the cops initially describe why George Floyd died was a "medical incident" (that medical incident being suffocated and choked to death). Then the "real" facts came out and we know how it all went down.

Lets see some video evidence.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

So the guy is going over 100 in a 35 and you want a warmer greeting?

 

[Terpman22]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Agreed that officers should be held to a higher standard. They're the ones 100% responsible for knowing laws and procedures and they're the ones carrying legal guns.

But are we 100% sure the bolded is true? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be. (especially in the case of someone like Hill, who has a history). The NFL (or the teams) should probably be providing some formal guidance here (part of the annual rookie symposium?) And If I had to bet, I'd probably bet that they do. Does that mean Tyreke Hill (who again, is not a good guy and not especially bright) paid a single second of attention? Probably not.

Per the website from the NFL Rookie Transition program.....

There are 15 mandatory topics that are presented by the league and by the people who rookies will interact with on a daily basis. This peer-to-peer format creates a collaborative environment for clear and consistent communication.


Mandatory topics include:

• A video introduction to the NFL and league policies
• Player benefits and benefit resources, including their NFLPA player rights and resources, and the NFL programs that are available to them.
• Player expectations, including the importance of sportsmanship, respect in the workplace, media responsibilities and how to work with their club’s public relations staff.
• Social responsibility for players, which covers league policies and the ramifications of issues like driving under the influence, or committing acts of domestic violence or sexual assault.
• Maintaining strong mental health and fitness, and an introduction to the health and safety resources available to all players and their families in times of need.
• An introduction to the culture, values and history of the league and a player’s club.
• Rule changes from college to the pros.

Kinda feel like "here's how you should act when pulled over by the police" is PROBABLY covered at this event to some extent.

Ok I'll put it a different way.

It is the Cops Job to know how to interact with the public. Tax dollars are spent on it. They are supposedly trained professionals at this stuff. How many hours of training do you think the average cop has compared to the average professional athlete? I'm also guessing the cops have to actually pass tests and exams about this stuff, while Tyreek and NFL players are simply given info about it, with not any real practical application experience.

Both parties were in the wrong here.

The party that's JOB is to de-escalate stuff is more in the wrong though, since they are supposed to be better than this.

 

[Terpman22]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

So the guy is going over 100 in a 35 and you want a warmer greeting?

I want him to not say "don't cry about it" like some 4th grader at least.

 

[TLEF316]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Agreed that officers should be held to a higher standard. They're the ones 100% responsible for knowing laws and procedures and they're the ones carrying legal guns.

But are we 100% sure the bolded is true? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be. (especially in the case of someone like Hill, who has a history). The NFL (or the teams) should probably be providing some formal guidance here (part of the annual rookie symposium?) And If I had to bet, I'd probably bet that they do. Does that mean Tyreke Hill (who again, is not a good guy and not especially bright) paid a single second of attention? Probably not.

Per the website from the NFL Rookie Transition program.....

There are 15 mandatory topics that are presented by the league and by the people who rookies will interact with on a daily basis. This peer-to-peer format creates a collaborative environment for clear and consistent communication.


Mandatory topics include:

• A video introduction to the NFL and league policies
• Player benefits and benefit resources, including their NFLPA player rights and resources, and the NFL programs that are available to them.
• Player expectations, including the importance of sportsmanship, respect in the workplace, media responsibilities and how to work with their club’s public relations staff.
• Social responsibility for players, which covers league policies and the ramifications of issues like driving under the influence, or committing acts of domestic violence or sexual assault.
• Maintaining strong mental health and fitness, and an introduction to the health and safety resources available to all players and their families in times of need.
• An introduction to the culture, values and history of the league and a player’s club.
• Rule changes from college to the pros.

Kinda feel like "here's how you should act when pulled over by the police" is PROBABLY covered at this event to some extent.

Ok I'll put it a different way.

It is the Cops Job to know how to interact with the public. Tax dollars are spent on it. They are supposedly trained professionals at this stuff. How many hours of training do you think the average cop has compared to the average professional athlete? I'm also guessing the cops have to actually pass tests and exams about this stuff, while Tyreek and NFL players are simply given info about it, with not any real practical application experience.

Both parties were in the wrong here.

The party that's JOB is to de-escalate stuff is more in the wrong though, since they are supposed to be better than this.

Certainly can't disagree here. Hill has a societal expectation of behaving like an adult, but the police have a legal obligation and significantly more experience (and training) in playing their part.

Hill's actions (speeding, the nonsense with the window, disrespectful talking back) set the series of events in motion, but as a tax payer I'd expect cops to do a far better job trying to put out the fire. They didn't do that. They made it worse.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

There's no context where the police were wrong for pulling him over for speeding. Don't care who he is or where he's going. Zero issues with that. They could've done a better job handling everything subsequently, but I have no idea how the context that he was speeding to get to his job has any relevance.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been ticketed for careless driving. The context is Tyreek speeding in front of the stadium, and not in a dark street in Liberty City. I doubt if the cops felt any danger.

I couldn’t disagree with your last sentence more. The dude was acting like a jerk and rolled up his dark *** tinted windows. The cop had more than enough reason the fear for his life in that situation.

Both could’ve handled it better, but I’m gonna side with the police on this one.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I have a bit of a leadfoot, so I’m no stranger to traffic stops. 99% of the time I would get out of the ticket by admitting my fault, apologizing profusely (important to do this before they go back to their car ,) and being overly cooperative.

On the flip side, my best friend growing up was constantly getting tickets and going to court. One day while riding with him I found out why. He got pulled over and immediately starts arguing with the office.

Zero sympathy.

 

[-OZ-]

Then Campbell rolls up.....acting like the class-act that he is. At this point, emotions are running high (they probably shouldn't have been, but that's where they were at that point)

Adrenaline and emotions running high seems completely reasonable during a detention when large dudes you don’t know start approaching. Maybe the cop recognized Campbell and smith, more likely they saw two really big dudes coming up to them.
They clearly should acted better, but their first impression seems reasonable.

If the cop calmly explained to Tyrek that the quickest way to get on his way was to cooperate and keep his window rolled down, it would have not escalated to what it did.

Because Tyreek has shown to be a man of reason and grace?

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

They were. But there’s just a bit of bias here for the dolphins and their prize

 

[Manster]

Context also matters. Did any of the cops realize Tyreek was speeding to get to his job? Tyreek doesn't deserve special privileges, but this was not at night in Liberty City

There's no context where the police were wrong for pulling him over for speeding. Don't care who he is or where he's going. Zero issues with that. They could've done a better job handling everything subsequently, but I have no idea how the context that he was speeding to get to his job has any relevance.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been ticketed for careless driving. The context is Tyreek speeding in front of the stadium, and not in a dark street in Liberty City. I doubt if the cops felt any danger.

I couldn’t disagree with your last sentence more. The dude was acting like a jerk and rolled up his dark *** tinted windows. The cop had more than enough reason the fear for his life in that situation.

Both could’ve handled it better, but I’m gonna side with the police on this one.

Don't break the law and then act like an ******* to the cops. It's really not that hard.

Haven't watched the video......the tinted window thing is not something police officers aren't gonna mess around with. Cops get shot in these kinds of situations.

 

[oswizzle]

the TD celebration should end all the drama … that was a pretty classic

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

 

[TLEF316]

Then Campbell rolls up.....acting like the class-act that he is. At this point, emotions are running high (they probably shouldn't have been, but that's where they were at that point)

Adrenaline and emotions running high seems completely reasonable during a detention when large dudes you don’t know start approaching. Maybe the cop recognized Campbell and smith, more likely they saw two really big dudes coming up to them.
They clearly should acted better, but their first impression seems reasonable.

If the cop calmly explained to Tyrek that the quickest way to get on his way was to cooperate and keep his window rolled down, it would have not escalated to what it did.

Because Tyreek has shown to be a man of reason and grace?

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

They were. But there’s just a bit of bias here for the dolphins and their prize

Yeah, I just meant that if everyone had acted correctly from the start, they're probably never in the emotionally charged situation.

But yes, once the cops are pulling a guy out of a car, fighting him to the ground (partially because he was struggling) and arguing.....there's adrenaline flowing for sure. And then having two 280+ lb dudes roll up on you isn't exactly gonna calm you down. That's just human nature at that point. Doesn't excuse the cop's unnecessary actions Re: Campbell. Once he showed that he wasn't a threat (which seems clear when he gets out of the car with his hands up speaking in a calm manner) , everyone needs to take a breath and act like pros again. That obviously didnt happen.

 

[-OZ-]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

I can’t speak for others but mine did, my sons too.

 

[Football Jones]

I love owning Tyreek and usually side with him to be honest, but I didn't see anything out of line by the cops. There's certain things expected of you at a traffic stop. It's part of a society governed by rule of law. Tyreek was being a **** and acting like a punk. He kept saying "don't knock on my window" over and over, ignoring instruction.

And spare me the rough treatment, LOL. He wasn't hurt, at all. His interview after the game was hilarious...wanting to work together with the cops in the community all of a sudden. I'm sure that was per Drew Rosenhaus after Rosenhaus realized he needed to spin it a different way once he had all the facts.

Tyreek is lucky he wasn't arrested, causing him to miss the game. The cops gave him plenty of grace.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

I can’t speak for others but mine did, my sons too.

Interesting. My policeman friend says your chances of getting out of a ticket increase if you keep your hands on the steering wheel until the officer tells you what to do next. When they ask for your documents, explain where you'll be reaching. At night, turn your dome lights on as soon as you pull over.

 

[Chaos34]

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looks much closer to 50 mph than 100.

 

[Chaos34]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

I can’t speak for others but mine did, my sons too.

Interesting. My policeman friend says your chances of getting out of a ticket increase if you keep your hands on the steering wheel until the officer tells you what to do next. When they ask for your documents, explain where you'll be reaching. At night, turn your dome lights on as soon as you pull over.

my dad taught me this in the 70s.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

They pulled him over for not wearing a seatbelt. They can run his license, registration and if there are no other issues, they issue a minor traffic violation. Context is important.

Escalating this into a situation that did not warrant it, is just dumb behavior by the police officers and I'm sure they will pay the price for it.

They escalated it, but so did he.

Doesn’t everyone recognize that? He acted like an entitled child when he didn’t need to and they acted like over zealous power starved bullies when they didn’t need to.

My understanding is that Tyreek Hill did not swear to protect and serve the citizenry. I also don't think he is taught to de-escalate a situation whenever possible.

So by admitting "they escalated it, but so did he" you are admitting they are in the wrong. If acting like an entitled child was illegal, we would have no candidates for public office.

I did admit they were in the wrong. I also fully understand they have an extremely difficult job. Tyreek went out of his way to make it more difficult.

Okay, he definitely could have been polite. And yes, they have difficult jobs. And yes, they were the ones who handled it wrong. All three of those things can be true at the same time. Because it's their responsibility to de-escalate. They are armed and have authority. At no time did he threaten them, and the officer gave him nanoseconds to get out of the car before he was pulled out. He wanted to pull him out. He wanted to escalate because he wasn't treated with respect.

Different countries handle things differently, but "They have the power so you better be nice to them or you might get punished with force for not showing enough respect or responding to their liking" isn't how it's supposed to work in this one. If he threatened them, or refused to get out of the car, or made a posture like he was going to attack, different story. But none of that happened.

I can watch a lot of these videos and can usually pinpoint exactly where the citizen put it on themselves. The police did their job and they were at an impasse because the person refused to comply after repeated attempts to de-escalate, leaving them with no choice. I didn't see that here.

I get your position. Not really arguing with you, because I think we mostly see this the same way. Just throwing out my thoughts.

 

[pinkstapler]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

I can’t speak for others but mine did, my sons too.

Well that's what happens when parents teach responsibility and accountability, and emphasize an individuals responsibility to control whatever is in their power in a given situation. As opposed to others who teach their children nothing is ever their fault, they are victims of 'fill in the blank here', and the world isn't fair so just throw up your hands and cry foul. Most of these lessons are also most effectively driven home by modeling this correct behavior themselves in their daily lives.

And we wonder why thousands of people are being arrested for check fraud right this minute? I don't know what is more sad, that grown *** adults legitimately thought they had found a "glitch" in the system to get free money, that after getting caught doing it they think it's the banks fault for allowing it to happen, or the fact a scary large portion of the population defends these people and absolves them of their part in the crime. Actually I do know what is the most sad there, it's the last part. And that's what propagates this behavior.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

There are multiple body-cam feeds it would seem. ESPN has done an outstanding job of piecing it together.
You can't see from the street videos but the body cam on the officer shows how they pushed down on Tyreek on the sidewalk and the officer puts his hands around Tyreek's neck
That's what i saw and that really seems to be outrageously over excessive
The footage of Campbell and Smith trying to help and eventually getting cuffed, brings a tear to your eye

-McDaniel didn't say too much but he certainly took a moment to talk about teammates coming to Hill's rescue. I'm glad I wasn't alone in jumping on that part of the story
I am impressed with how Coach McDaniel is leading the team thru all of this

McDaniel impresses more and more each year. Think about how some other coaches would have handled it.

 

[Bri]

Then Campbell rolls up.....acting like the class-act that he is. At this point, emotions are running high (they probably shouldn't have been, but that's where they were at that point)

Adrenaline and emotions running high seems completely reasonable during a detention when large dudes you don’t know start approaching. Maybe the cop recognized Campbell and smith, more likely they saw two really big dudes coming up to them.
They clearly should acted better, but their first impression seems reasonable.

I thought this way til the video.
He pulls quite a bit past the scene and I think that's significant. He gets out of a nice vehicle wearing nice clothes. He has his hands out in front of him and has a empathetic tone to his voice.
The Spanish accent cop was "is a blood vessel gonna burst in your head" type angry and I didn't in anyway see anything that would make him that angry. The other cops should have definitely told him to calm down and maybe a supervisor sit him down. There's extra there- kicked dog, divorce, idk but that scene did not involve that extreme anger.

Calais is totally uncomfortable when he hears the anger (and probably sees rage on this guy's face) and who wouldn't be? He's like faaa which cop do I listen to and just before the other cop is getting angry. Some stupid I talk louder or I'm in charge or...idk but that was amateurish by the cops. Any TV show or common sense would tell ya one guy barks out orders.

When I watched the whole video again n again, I'm stuck on the anger. All those cops got there so fast because they were near for the game I guess. 10?12? There was quite a few so they've got crystal clear numbers advantage.

Is the first cop getting flack for pulling over Tyreek by other cops and embarrassed? It wasn't control the scene and usual- the cops smothered that area quick. It's not fear.

Quit tapping on the window, oh you put the window up- that's annoying and improper and I get that but where's the rage come from?

Easy on my surgically repaired knee was probably a reasonable request- not to say Tyreek was especially cooperative- but they've got a dozen cops there, he's in cuffs already and sitting down is that big of a deal to that officer? Put him in the back of a car worst case? Stand him up by that fence as they did at one point? I think it was just pride- felt disrespected he's not following an order in front of other cops.

I strongly thought the whole scene totally lacked a supervisor keeping order. Whoever was in charge needs to not be anymore.

I see a lot of comments in this thread that I would totally support (as I usually do) if there were two cops on the scene. That many. That big of a presence changes it completely for me.

You sit down where I can see ya, now I gotta go deal with Calais. I'd totally get that.
You sit down with eight cops around you while a few of us talk to Calais is very different.

I really wonder about that rage of the one officer and if some of that wasn't fellow cops giving him flack embarrassing the one. Ya hear chatter that I can't make out and at times the emotions totally don't fit what we do see.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Drew Rosenhaus

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DLS earlier today

 

[Statorama]

Going 100 in a 35 zone will get the average person ARRESTED in Florida
Hill said in the press conference after the game "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"
He would have been inside a jail cell, that's what happens to most around here for doing that
50-60 in a 35, citation (police hate the term "tickets") but 100 in a 35 is more egregious and police have the right and ability to haul you off to jail

"What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?"

Buddy, you are a violent, low-IQ, woman-beating sociopath. If you weren't Tyreek Hill, you would likely have landed in prison by now, or possibly the morgue. You should get on your knees every night and thank God that you have a supernatural ability to run after the catch, because otherwise you would be known by an eight-digit number stitched to your shirt, not the number on the back of your jersey. You have been given second chance after second chance because you are Tyreek Hill the football player. Spare me the Rodney King stuff.

Truth here too. The guy is a proven low life. But boy can he run fast.

You know it feels like the only one ever to be blackballed by the league was Ray Rice...

...because at that point Ray Rice could not run fast. Basic NFL double standard.

Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame for Pete's sake.

 

[Gatorade]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

I agree with a lot of what you said except the part about the police being highly paid. IMO, most police are underpaid for the risks they take. Also, with Tyreek's past troubles, his agent is to blame if some sort of training on how to deal with police has not occurred previously.

 

[Bossman]

I’m usually on the anti cop side but I’m not seeing the huge problem, in at least the initial confrontation. He barked at the cop several times not to knock on his window, then rolled up his window and refused to acknowledge the cop trying to speak to him, cracked the window and started yelling at him again. Did he expect the cop to just stand there and be ignored? I really don’t think pulling him out of his car was unwarranted. Just me I guess.

^ This
"Don't knock on my window." How about you have the window rolled down before the cop gets to it?
Was there a need to show lack of respect to the cop there? ... or is Hill just purposely being a d*** head? If so, why?
I could see why the cop would be upset with the tinted window being put back up. Could be a gun pointed at him and he wouldn't even know it.
We have the advantage of hindsight ... we know it's Tyreek Hill, but in the moment, the cop doesn't know who he is. A lot of people don't watch football and wouldn't recognize him or the name on the license.
Wouldn't roll his window back down after several requests. Why? Then refused to get out of the car. I'm not sure what else the cop was supposed to do with that other than pull him out of the car.
Common sense (and likely police training and experience) would lead you to believe that somebody that "non-compliant" likely has something to hide ... otherwise, why not just cooperate?
I'm sure there are dozens of reasons why a driver might not want to comply. Driver has an existing warrant for arrest? Unpaid child support? Parking tickets? Drugs? Gun? Stolen Car?
Hill gave the cop every reason to get jumpy.
For the sake of self preservation, I think a cop has to consider anyone could have intentions of violence and especially someone seemingly with something to hide, hiding behind tinted glass.
Removing Hill from the car eliminates threats. I suppose handcuffs and sitting him on the curb would prevent him from running until the cops could further assess the situation. But Hill then refused to sit on the curb. What was that about? Just for the sake of not complying? So strange.
Cops got rough with him but Hill could have avoided ALL of that by just doing what they were asking.
We would have all liked the situation to de-escalate, I'm sure the cops didn't want to have to take it to that level either, but I don't see how that could have happened with Hill refusing to cooperate.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There are multiple body-cam feeds it would seem. ESPN has done an outstanding job of piecing it together.
You can't see from the street videos but the body cam on the officer shows how they pushed down on Tyreek on the sidewalk and the officer puts his hands around Tyreek's neck
That's what i saw and that really seems to be outrageously over excessive
The footage of Campbell and Smith trying to help and eventually getting cuffed, brings a tear to your eye

-McDaniel didn't say too much but he certainly took a moment to talk about teammates coming to Hill's rescue. I'm glad I wasn't alone in jumping on that part of the story
I am impressed with how Coach McDaniel is leading the team thru all of this

McDaniel impresses more and more each year. Think about how some other coaches would have handled it.

I am one of Mike McDaniel's harshest critics in here, ask any of the Miami fans that frequent the team thread
I can see this event being used as a way for the team to rally and thank their lucky stars that Holland and Hill saved their bacon last weekend, move forward
Miami has a legit shot at winning on TNF this week and then afterwards will likely be favored in their next 5 games before the Bye week

-He also is on his 3rd DC inside of 3 seasons, but for now I want to let that stuff go and try to imagine walking in these players shoes.
Where McDaniel excels is relationships with players. Sometimes that backfires but in a situation like this, can only help heal and unite the players
He also wears hoodies in 90 degree heat, how can he be so chilly all the time?

 

[Bossman]

I think as part of Driver's Ed and/or health class we should teach a unit on "How to behave when you're pulled over".

My dad taught me this. I taught my kids this. Whether you feel you are right or wrong, you cooperate and things will end better than if you don't.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

By the book the cop probably correctly followed protocol. But the cops main objective in resolving a situation should be to handle it with the least amount of escalation as possible. That was not done here. If the cop calmly explained to Tyrek that the quickest way to get on his way was to cooperate and keep his window rolled down, it would have not escalated to what it did.

Hill said he sat calmly with 2 hands on the wheel and listened lol

 

[Cowboysfan8]

He also wears hoodies in 90 degree heat, how can he be so chilly all the time?

 

[dkp993]

The cop said leave your window down, or I am going to pull you out of the car, then he said, actually you know what, get out of the car. Then started yanking on the door, after Hill had put the window down.

So the cop had plans to be patient with a citizen, then decided, no eff that, I'm gonna yank him out and put him on the ground. Cop changed his mind, and decided to toss him around.

Not stand up and turn around, I am going to detain you. Nope, flat on the ground, handcuffed. Was THAT necessary? I have seen people get out of the car, and detained, and I don't remember them being spread out on the ground every time.

And what was the reason? I don't like his attitude. He didn't open the window fast enough for my liking. He didn't show me enough respect.

Dolphins saw the video, and made their statement. It was clear to them, as it was to every other Miami Dolphin, that the cops were out of line.

On top of that Hill was very clearly exiting the car by himself. There was ZERO need to grab him and pull him out then pin him to the ground. Let the guy get out then calmly cuff him if you feel that’s necessary. There was no need to escalate it to being physical.

And for the record, prior to seeing the body cam, I full expected Hill to be popping off and inciting this situation.

 

[Gatorman]

Just watched the body cam video. I really wanted to stay out of this, but that video was bad. I have decades of various law enforcement and this went bad with the introduction. Immediately with, "Why didn't you have your set belt on." It was also his tone. This 10 second beginning sums up why people have negative feelings towards cops. Wow. Did he tell him to also quit crying? My goodness. That guy was so bad. So bad. I would be embarrassed. To young officers, this is not how you handle a no seat belt infraction. Smh.

Yeah i feel this was an underrated and ignored?? aspect of the incident. It seems a lot of people are under the impression the Cop just came up to Hill "Hey hows it going today buddy. Do you know why I pulled you over?" From that point if Reek is a D***, I can totally get the criticism. But it sure seems like the cop just went in agro from the beginning, which then further escalated. My POV is "Sure you should be respectful to cops, but it has to go both ways. They are NOT *the* law. They are public servants"

For all the "All Tyreek had to do" takes, there needs to be accountability, for a guy WHO HAS PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND HIS HIGHLY PAID to do the job. Tyreek has zero training on how to interact with cops. That is why for me, the majority of blame needs to be directed at these officers, the main one in particular, and they should face some sort of consequences.

Yeah, seeing the video this was the stereotypical Miami Cuban Police officer Bros who don't like their authority questioned in any way. They approached aggressively, they took offense to everything, and rather than being cool, they were anything but.

I live here and I am hispanic and "white" so I don't have too many run ins with these types but whenever I do they have a definite God complex. The "You should have had surgery on your ears" comment from the one officer was so Miami Cuban cop on brand that I lol at that part.

I also used to go to phins games and these guys are almost looking for a fight or someone to break up how mundane sunday traffic duty at the stadium is.