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Your son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
He has 0 issue with the playing time. He did the right thing by approaching the coach at the start if the year and made sure to work harder in practice. He has earned more playing time.If I had a quarter for every parent massively upset about their kid's playing time in high school I'd be uber rich. Best thing he could do is toughen up and battle that kid in the post. If he's better, it will be obvious and he'll get playing time.
Moving one high school over in WI will not end his interaction with racism. He will come across it several times, no matter what school he goes to. It's how we reacts to it that's important. Does he speak up and stand up for what's right?
In the big picture I'm not a fan of running away from problems. If it were my son I'd want him to tough it out and try to turn both situations around. But if it's not possible, and he's miserable with grades slipping, then transferring makes sense.
His position is that:
1. This kid is not drastically better than him. The other kid starts, but usually has 2 fouls really quickly because he leaves his feet, is out of position offensively a lot and usually gets called 4-5 times for 3sec violations.
2. When the kid gets shut down is when he starts getting dirty and throwing elbows. My son said this happened tonight because he was doing what he was supposed to and shutting him down and making him bite on fake shots as usual. He and I are pissed tonight because of safety concerns of elbows flying and not doing anything as his nose is bleeding and his ear is ringing.
3. The varsity coach telling him he is just there to make this kid better. He knows they don't want him there or at least he is not in their plans going forward. That is incredibly crappy to say to a kid, and the opposite of whoever works hardest gets the minutes and the starts. He feels he was told day 1 specifically this is not the case.
I get it, I could very well be like every other pissed off whiny sport parent who thinks his kid is getting a raw deal. The fact that he was told that day 1, is still battling for minutes and taking this **** to finish his season tells me he is battling plenty and tougher than I expected or I am. 5-6 kids have quit this year, but he was not one.
I also said he has gained pt through working in practice and his last game he did get a bit more because the other kid left his feet too many times. His PT on JV is not an issue, as I said said in the first part of that quote.He has 0 issue with the playing time. He did the right thing by approaching the coach at the start if the year and made sure to work harder in practice. He has earned more playing time.If I had a quarter for every parent massively upset about their kid's playing time in high school I'd be uber rich. Best thing he could do is toughen up and battle that kid in the post. If he's better, it will be obvious and he'll get playing time.
Moving one high school over in WI will not end his interaction with racism. He will come across it several times, no matter what school he goes to. It's how we reacts to it that's important. Does he speak up and stand up for what's right?
In the big picture I'm not a fan of running away from problems. If it were my son I'd want him to tough it out and try to turn both situations around. But if it's not possible, and he's miserable with grades slipping, then transferring makes sense.
His position is that:
1. This kid is not drastically better than him. The other kid starts, but usually has 2 fouls really quickly because he leaves his feet, is out of position offensively a lot and usually gets called 4-5 times for 3sec violations.
2. When the kid gets shut down is when he starts getting dirty and throwing elbows. My son said this happened tonight because he was doing what he was supposed to and shutting him down and making him bite on fake shots as usual. He and I are pissed tonight because of safety concerns of elbows flying and not doing anything as his nose is bleeding and his ear is ringing.
3. The varsity coach telling him he is just there to make this kid better. He knows they don't want him there or at least he is not in their plans going forward. That is incredibly crappy to say to a kid, and the opposite of whoever works hardest gets the minutes and the starts. He feels he was told day 1 specifically this is not the case.
I get it, I could very well be like every other pissed off whiny sport parent who thinks his kid is getting a raw deal. The fact that he was told that day 1, is still battling for minutes and taking this **** to finish his season tells me he is battling plenty and tougher than I expected or I am. 5-6 kids have quit this year, but he was not one.
I think I'm missing something. If the bolded is true, and you say the 2 rarely play together, then wouldn't your son be gaining PT because the other kid is in foul trouble and can't stay in the game? What am I missing?
Same for me. My son was 2nd in batting on the JV team and had batted > .300 on his at-bats with the varsity team as as sophomore. He was started off well his junior year but during the season he had a serious illness and lost about 25-30 pounds.In the big picture I'm not a fan of running away from problems. If it were my son I'd want him to tough it out and try to turn both situations around. But if it's not possible, and he's miserable with grades slipping, then transferring makes sense.
I don't want to let this pass without comment. Post-surgical depression is a very real thing. That, combined with school stress and puberty, might be having its own effect. You might want to talk to his doctor about this.He's had a rough semester because he had appendix surgery in Mid-October around his birthday. Ended up being an ordeal - it ruptured, they were late getting antibiotics, he developed abscesses, he was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks.
It definitely seems like he would benefit from a few sessions with a counselor/therapist, at least IMO.I don't want to let this pass without comment. Post-surgical depression is a very real thing. That, combined with school stress and puberty, might be having its own effect. You might want to talk to his doctor about this.He's had a rough semester because he had appendix surgery in Mid-October around his birthday. Ended up being an ordeal - it ruptured, they were late getting antibiotics, he developed abscesses, he was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks.
It's the sport with the most participation and the smallest lineup. Everybody's been playing since they were little, thinks they're really good, wants to be on varsity... but there's only 5 starters. And there's enough ambiguity about what makes a good player that anyone halfway decent can convince themselves they deserve to be one of those 5.Something about HS basketball, man.
Definitely recommend sports like swimming, cross country, etc. For one, they're pure meritocracy. You're as good as the clock says you are, end of discussion. And even if that isn't very good, you've got your own time to compete against and improve on. Plus there's so much positivity. If you finish the 500 free two minutes after everyone else, that's two minutes that everyone in the pool is cheering you on. Way more rewarding than sitting on the bench hoping the kid who keeps elbowing you in the face will foul out.6'6" and lithe? Get him into swimming. Even if he's not a great swimmer, a coach will find a way to get that length to be competitive at the HS level. Plus, most swimmers are smart and cling together socially, so he'll have instant friends.
Thanks. I guess one thing I am thankful for is I guess I avoided the crap coaches. So my experiences with sports was mostly positive, team first experience. It's one of the reasons I kept pushing him in sports, but we've encountered nothing like that with him since about 3rd grade when he was in soccer.WOW. Reading the OP almost exactly described me in high school. Been having lots of flashbacks sitting here reading the comments and pondering your situation OP. I 100% believe that your kid's feelings are valid with regards to his spot on the team. I remember very vividly some of those feelings. I'll share my story a bit.
Small catholic school, I played basketball, I was 6'5" and tied for tallest kid in the school with a guy I'll call Cliff. Cliff was same height as me, had probably 30 lbs on me, and was by all accounts the Golden Child of the school. QB for the football team, the star forward in basketball, and starting shortstop and #1 pitcher for the baseball team. One of those naturally athletic guys who was always assumed to be the best player on whatever team he was on. But had the most fragile ego on the field/court, and all it took was one error or mistake or one trash talk comment and you'd be in his head and he couldn't recover. The way he'd recover in basketball was to, yep, throw elbows and up the physical game. Since he was always the biggest guy on the court, he'd get away with a lot too. Cliff had more talent than me at this game, no doubt. But I quickly learned how to get in his head. Block one shot in practice and he'd see red, and then he was just a bull in a china shop after that.
Day 1 of basketball my sophomore year, I show up to practice. Cliff is currently at football practice as that sport hadn't ended yet. Coach tells me my goal on this team is to rebound, and to push Cliff to be the best he could be because he had the talent to take us deep in the playoffs and to even play in college. I said "but coach I'm the 5 (center) and he's the 4 (power forward), we can both do well and work off each other and..." and coach said something to the effect of "I don't need you to score, I need you to rebound. If you can get me 5 or more offensive rebounds a game that's more scoring opportunities for us, and Cliff is our best scorer". Just like your kid, I was stunned. Then mad. Then hurt. Then wanted to quit. Why the hell would I want to keep playing three more years of basketball for a coach who only saw me as a training piece for Star Boy? Coach wasn't telling our PG to only pass to Cliff....he wasn't telling our guards to not take the 3, to dish inside to Cliff instead...
I remember coach ending one practice early because of an incident. I'd been up in Cliff's face most of the practice. Blocked one of his shots, and he was muscling me, elbowing some. We had an inbounds play under the goal, and I was throwing the ball in. Cliff standing/jumping/waving arms in front of me defending the inbounds. I faked a throw to the side and chucked the ball right over Cliff's head to our point guard deep. The problem was that Cliff didn't go for the fake and jumped up on the real pass and I nailed him directly in the face with it. Next thing I know he charges me and clocks me with a right hook, and I stumble backwards into the wall. I'd been taking his crap for the last hour so when he hit me I went for a bear hug and wrestled him down and went into full OH IT'S ON NOW mode. Coaches blowing whistles and everyone separated us. Cliff never said a word about that ever again, never apologized or acknowledged that it happened.
OP I wish I could tell you I had some magic answer for your situation, or something I did in my situation that made it all better. The only thing I did was talk to the coaches. A lot. I told them how I knew how to rile Cliff up, and that he'd react poorly. Then I'd do it, and give the coaches a "see I told you" look. Some opponent would do it in a game, get in his head and he'd start trying to jockey and elbow and I'd have to signal the coaches. Reminded them of the incident above in practice. Eventually they got it. Cliff and I maybe could have been friends, but we never were because we were never truly teammates first. And for a long time I always blamed the coaches for pitting us against each other, or pitting me against him at least. Not like Cliff was ever told to go make me better...
I'll be praying for you and your kid @KarmaPolice to find some way to work through this situation. I guess my only advice is to talk to the coaches, tell them everything, tell them how you feel, how your kid feels, and show them that you want to be a good teammate and all that. I just loved to play and so I put my head down and worked at it. Some days I'd find it fun to get in Cliff's head and get him pissed off and then shoot the "some things never change" look to the coaches. Some days I'd just avoid him and worry about me instead. It's a tough situation for sure. If he truly wants to transfer out then give it some serious consideration.
It's the sport with the most participation and the smallest lineup. Everybody's been playing since they were little, thinks they're really good, wants to be on varsity... but there's only 5 starters. And there's enough ambiguity about what makes a good player that anyone halfway decent can convince themselves they deserve to be one of those 5.Something about HS basketball, man.
Definitely recommend sports like swimming, cross country, etc. For one, they're pure meritocracy. You're as good as the clock says you are, end of discussion. And even if that isn't very good, you've got your own time to compete against and improve on. Plus there's so much positivity. If you finish the 500 free two minutes after everyone else, that's two minutes that everyone in the pool is cheering you on. Way more rewarding than sitting on the bench hoping the kid who keeps elbowing you in the face will foul out.6'6" and lithe? Get him into swimming. Even if he's not a great swimmer, a coach will find a way to get that length to be competitive at the HS level. Plus, most swimmers are smart and cling together socially, so he'll have instant friends.
It's the sport with the most participation and the smallest lineup. Everybody's been playing since they were little, thinks they're really good, wants to be on varsity... but there's only 5 starters. And there's enough ambiguity about what makes a good player that anyone halfway decent can convince themselves they deserve to be one of those 5.Something about HS basketball, man.
Definitely recommend sports like swimming, cross country, etc. For one, they're pure meritocracy. You're as good as the clock says you are, end of discussion. And even if that isn't very good, you've got your own time to compete against and improve on. Plus there's so much positivity. If you finish the 500 free two minutes after everyone else, that's two minutes that everyone in the pool is cheering you on. Way more rewarding than sitting on the bench hoping the kid who keeps elbowing you in the face will foul out.6'6" and lithe? Get him into swimming. Even if he's not a great swimmer, a coach will find a way to get that length to be competitive at the HS level. Plus, most swimmers are smart and cling together socially, so he'll have instant friends.
My son was by far the best player on the high school teams, was the leader, and most fit. The coach didn't like us for whatever reason. Could have (probably was) been racism, I'm not totally sure. Anyway my son passed up some major opportunities to play his senior year and lead his pals, and now we totally regret he did. So yeah, some situations you just can't work your way out of.If I had a quarter for every parent massively upset about their kid's playing time in high school I'd be uber rich. Best thing he could do is toughen up and battle that kid in the post. If he's better, it will be obvious and he'll get playing time.
Moving one high school over in WI will not end his interaction with racism. He will come across it several times, no matter what school he goes to. It's how we reacts to it that's important. Does he speak up and stand up for what's right?
In the big picture I'm not a fan of running away from problems. If it were my son I'd want him to tough it out and try to turn both situations around. But if it's not possible, and he's miserable with grades slipping, then transferring makes sense.
He has 0 issue with the playing time. He did the right thing by approaching the coach at the start if the year and made sure to work harder in practice. He has earned more playing time.
His position is that:
1. This kid is not drastically better than him. The other kid starts, but usually has 2 fouls really quickly because he leaves his feet, is out of position offensively a lot and usually gets called 4-5 times for 3sec violations.
2. When the kid gets shut down is when he starts getting dirty and throwing elbows. My son said this happened tonight because he was doing what he was supposed to and shutting him down and making him bite on fake shots as usual. He and I are pissed tonight because of safety concerns of elbows flying and not doing anything as his nose is bleeding and his ear is ringing.
3. The varsity coach telling him he is just there to make this kid better. He knows they don't want him there or at least he is not in their plans going forward. That is incredibly crappy to say to a kid, and the opposite of whoever works hardest gets the minutes and the starts. He feels he was told day 1 specifically this is not the case.
I get it, I could very well be like every other pissed off whiny sport parent who thinks his kid is getting a raw deal. The fact that he was told that day 1, is still battling for minutes and taking this **** to finish his season tells me he is battling plenty and tougher than I expected or I am. 5-6 kids have quit this year, but he was not one.
I also have plenty of kids approach me "what can I do to get more pt". The answer 99% of the time is "beat the kid in front of you" if all things are equal, talent wins out. Hard work is great, but high school jobs now depend on wins. Make sense?
Strongly disagreeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
And he also didn't want to transfer because of sports. We talked about that and he new full well he might not make the team in the other HS. More it was the racism, teachers not doing anything about that, and the terrible teachers he is encountering at our school.Strongly disagreeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
Good to see you in general, PIK. Hope all is well with you.Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
Welcome to high school sports in 2023. Club isn't usually bad, but it cost. I can tell you some horror stories regarding school teams and our town unfortunately. I have been in the discord scene more, but I'm around here a lil. And I'm still on facebooks. Hope you are well.Good to see you in general, PIK. Hope all is well with you.Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
I just found it odd that they are acting like they already know who the starters for Varsity are going to be when they are Sophomores and these kids ain't Anthony Davis or anything.
He did say after he is healed he is heading to the gym to bulk up and work on basketball stuff. I think he is still going to try to find a AAU team or club team or something.Welcome to high school sports in 2023. Club isn't usually bad, but it cost. I can tell you some horror stories regarding school teams and our town unfortunately. I have been in the discord scene more, but I'm around here a lil. And I'm still on facebooks. Hope you are well.Good to see you in general, PIK. Hope all is well with you.Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
I just found it odd that they are acting like they already know who the starters for Varsity are going to be when they are Sophomores and these kids ain't Anthony Davis or anything.
I'm going to take a slightly different tack than some of the other folks in this thread and say that all of this might be nothing to worry about.And he also didn't want to transfer because of sports. We talked about that and he new full well he might not make the team in the other HS. More it was the racism, teachers not doing anything about that, and the terrible teachers he is encountering at our school.
I'm going to take a slightly different tack than some of the other folks in this thread and say that all of this might be nothing to worry about.And he also didn't want to transfer because of sports. We talked about that and he new full well he might not make the team in the other HS. More it was the racism, teachers not doing anything about that, and the terrible teachers he is encountering at our school.
I didn't play sports in high school and didn't encounter very many instances of overt racism, so I don't claim to have had the same HS experiences as your son, but I will be honest and say that I hated high school. Like, from the end of my freshman year on, I could not wait to get to college. I had friends and I enjoyed my time with speech and debate, but I pretty much hated every class I took. I had a small handful of excellent teachers, but I also had a very large number of mediocre-to-terrible teachers. I was able to graduate in the top 10% of my class while pretty much literally never cracking a book, and my 16 year-old self did not deal well with the lack of challenge. This was also about that time where I was starting to realize that I lived in a backwater, and I badly wanted to get away and live elsewhere for at least a little while. (I ended up never returning to my home town, and I'm pleased with that outcome.)
Maybe none of that stuff is relevant to your son, but I recognize the ennui that you're describing. It might be fixed simply by giving him a change of scenery in a couple of years. He just needs to put up with it for a little while longer.
Most of the time it's just hormones. You have to let them get it out, don't get too emotional about it, and then talk to them when their mind is in a better space later.
A baseball coach at my high school told my dad that my brother would never make varsity -- when he was 8! And he was good, too. The coach picked him for the 8-year-old all-star team, but had to make it clear that this wasn't an endorsement of him as a prospective high school player. It was baffling. Outside of identifying the Anthony Davis or Mike Trout types I really don't see the point of planning years in advance, but lots of high school coaches do it.I just found it odd that they are acting like they already know who the starters for Varsity are going to be when they are Sophomores and these kids ain't Anthony Davis or anything.
I hated HS. Barely fit in. Had a few friends and none lived closed to me (I went to a specialized HS in Manhattan). Didnt play any sports. Didnt goto prom. Barely cared about my graduation. I understand how you feel but its not that important. I ended up meeting my wife during college and have made tons of great friends as an adult. Your son will be fine. Some kids take longer to find their niche in life. I think my son will be one of those.I'm going to take a slightly different tack than some of the other folks in this thread and say that all of this might be nothing to worry about.And he also didn't want to transfer because of sports. We talked about that and he new full well he might not make the team in the other HS. More it was the racism, teachers not doing anything about that, and the terrible teachers he is encountering at our school.
I didn't play sports in high school and didn't encounter very many instances of overt racism, so I don't claim to have had the same HS experiences as your son, but I will be honest and say that I hated high school. Like, from the end of my freshman year on, I could not wait to get to college. I had friends and I enjoyed my time with speech and debate, but I pretty much hated every class I took. I had a small handful of excellent teachers, but I also had a very large number of mediocre-to-terrible teachers. I was able to graduate in the top 10% of my class while pretty much literally never cracking a book, and my 16 year-old self did not deal well with the lack of challenge. This was also about that time where I was starting to realize that I lived in a backwater, and I badly wanted to get away and live elsewhere for at least a little while. (I ended up never returning to my home town, and I'm pleased with that outcome.)
Maybe none of that stuff is relevant to your son, but I recognize the ennui that you're describing. It might be fixed simply by giving him a change of scenery in a couple of years. He just needs to put up with it for a little while longer.
He is similar, but for me the biggest difference in the two situations is he is not doing well, needs structure and guidance from the teachers more, and I feel is closing doors on some options for after HS. It seems a big gripe about his ****ty teachers is that along with them being dicks, they aren't teaching them. He wants structure is more getting "I hate my job, here - read this while I largely F off" vibe from the teachers.
Appreciate your feedback. It sucks that so many people hate HS so much. I didn't love it, but I found my niche in swimming and at work. My major concern is that it feels like he doesn't even have that 1-2 things that gets him through currently. Basketball was one. Work he likes, but we work in the town up the road so work friends don't spill over into the school like it did for me either. Just want the kid to get a win or two in his HS years.
If you think I am asking a coach to "give" my son something, I am either not relaying my thoughts well or people aren't reading my posts.
The basketball stuff was mostly me being pissed my son was taking elbows in practice for no reason. That combined with the doosh coach telling him he is just on the team to improve the other kid along with the horrible sense of "team" on this team are my beefs with the basketball program at his school. That's it. I don't expect my kid be "given" something he is not working at or whatever nonsense I've see in the thread.
Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.
hold out for a better n.i.l. dealShort version - my son has had a terrible year, and approached us last week about the desire to transfer schools. 2 main reasons: the basketball program and overt racism he has witnessed in the school.
Longer version:
Basketball: He is on the JV team. At the start of the year he wasn't getting playing time. Rules of the basketball program are: the kid meets with the coach by themselves, if nothing is resolved then it's parents and coach (with kid), if still not meet with the head Varsity coach, then with the AD, etc.. So, he did the right thing - went to the coach after the first couple games of getting about 3mins of playing time and asked what he could do to get more time. The coach said he needed to show more hustle on the court, play with more aggression, etc.. He has slowly worked into a bit more playing time so that is improving a tad. BUT -- the backstory is he and the other kid are both 6'6" at 16. The other kid has about 50-60 pounds on him, and super long arms. He has low IQ on the court, get's called for 3sec violations constantly, usually looks lost on the court, and gets into foul trouble almost every game because he constantly jumps into the ball handler on pump fakes. Leaves his feet all the time. Also, when he gets upset he starts throwing elbows. Now, I agree 100% that my son is not as aggressive, but he has his abilities - mainly a high court IQ, good at identifying where to go with the ball and more accurately gets the ball to his teamates. Also much better shooter out of the paint. Also, when they play vs. each other my son has figured out how to shut him down and this makes him upset. Granted, this is from him from their time in practice and at the rec center - but I have seen that side of him on the court - getting pissed and throwing elbows.
Now, tonight he got in the car visibly upset. Turns out he got drilled in face several times during practice from this kid enough so that he had a bloody nose and rattled enough that he said his ears were buzzing a bit. Yes, they were scrimmaging and he claims he was shutting the kid down. He said the coach saw it all and just told him to calm down (because he was getting upset about getting hit in the face). We started talking a bit about what I should do about this because while I get it's a rough sport, but IMO this is a bit much. He just shut down and shrugged and said it wouldn't matter. I pried more, and what he never told us was on day 1 after tryouts for JV the varsity coach during their 1 on 1 told him the only reason he made the team and was on the squad was to make this other kid better. I was furious at hearing this.
This is where my venting and desire for outside input comes in. Is this business as usual for HS sports, or am I justified in my anger. My opinion is that is should be up to the coaches to coach these kids and improve them and whoever is better for the team plays more. How in the world can he trust that any attempt to improve will be met with an honest assessment after that?
Maybe it's just me being an upset parent or having too much of a fluffy, team driven ideal for sports. We've been pretty disappointed in his experience in the program up to this point, and it's still a sport he loves and wants to play in general. But tonight he said that if we don't agree to the transfer, or it's not accepted as of now he has 0 plans to play on the team next year. I hate that idea, but I am starting to at least understand where he is coming from and wouldn't argue with him about it too much. My main concern there is that he doesn't do a ton else besides basketball and work so I hate to have 0 school activities on the resume.
School: We are in small town WI. We were randomly talking about race and things in the car while driving and him saying that he has witnessed people in the school calling a couple of the black kids (I believe there are only 3-4) the N-word to their face. He said it's happened in games, he said he's witnessed it being said around a teacher with the teacher only staring and not saying anything, etc.. Overall I think he is a bit miserable at the school and these things are adding up and really bringing him down. Mood is down, grades are plummeting, etc.. We work at the same place in a town up the road, and that is where he wants to attempt to transfer to. He gets along with the students who work there (I think he is the only kid from our town at the store right now), and thinks it's a better fit. Some of kids are on the basketball team as well and one of the kids happens to be black and he said he has been talking to them for a month or so and they can't believe what's going on either (again, I realize this is all filtered through him).
Anyway, I am just at a loss of where to begin with my anger and frustration. He has been letting this build and been hanging on to this for a few months now - to the point where he looked up the info about how to try to transfer. It really caught me off guard then, and I've been trying to rationally sort out what to do since then. My first instinct was that a transfer doesn't automatically solve the problems - there will still be ignorance at that school, crappy teachers, and he doesn't know how basketball will go. But after tonight talking to him, I was more open to the idea.
Any thoughts, questions, advice appreciated.
terrible takeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
forget where you are in WI, gb.He did say after he is healed he is heading to the gym to bulk up and work on basketball stuff. I think he is still going to try to find a AAU team or club team or something.
Gawd... I hate that ignorant crap. Here is the thing, if you are being treated like crap simply because of your demographic you are in that by definition means you do not have power.Sounds like he may not get a fair shake with this coach. I'm not sure challenging this coach will get you very far. I would look into transferring for sure.
As for the racism, that sucks. There is a lot of racial tension in our country these days. We live in a really big school district with a fair amount of diversity. Our daughter has endured racism for being a "basic white girl". She's often told you can't be racist against white people because white people have the power. She has been accused of being racist for goofy/nonexistent things. It's as if it's the default thing to throw around now whenever someone is upset. No matter your skin color, it's not ok to use it against you, especially children. Racism is learned.
I think your kid should say "Hey, coach. You saw that dude getting out of control and throwing elbows and just let it slide. So I'm out. No interest in practicing in that environment. Have a nice season, guy."
Yeah sure. And when he goes to college maybe mommy and daddy can talk to his professor for him when he gets a bad grade. And when he gets a job maybe mommy and daddy can go talk to his boss when he gets skipped over for a promotion.terrible takeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah sure. And when he goes to college maybe mommy and daddy can talk to his professor for him when he gets a bad grade. And when he gets a job maybe mommy and daddy can go talk to his boss when he gets skipped over for a promotion.terrible takeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
My daughter plays high level softball and is currently in the recruiting process to play D1 in college. She won't allow me to speak to any coaches (both HS and Club), administrators or anyone who is even remotely close to the softball program or has any type of control or influence over it. Guess, we just raise them differently here. Best to try and stay away from helicopter parents.
for aau i think this is important it doesnt matter if they are on an a team if they wont play i would much rather have a kid who played b or c ball all summer and got on the court and got acquainted with their game that is a lot more important than sitting on the bench for an a team and not getting any better i just pointing this out so when it comes time to make a decision on a team you have that thought from a guy who maybe knows a little about this when it comes to aau and getting better at bball you have to leave your ego outside the gym take that to the bank brohansHe did say after he is healed he is heading to the gym to bulk up and work on basketball stuff. I think he is still going to try to find a AAU team or club team or something.Welcome to high school sports in 2023. Club isn't usually bad, but it cost. I can tell you some horror stories regarding school teams and our town unfortunately. I have been in the discord scene more, but I'm around here a lil. And I'm still on facebooks. Hope you are well.Good to see you in general, PIK. Hope all is well with you.Dude, you shouldn't even be listening to some of the people in here. Especially you know who. Im5 aguy that has coached for thirty years, and ran clubs. Some coaches suck, it is what it is. Run away if a better option is available. It never gets better. Go with your gut.As far as this - he did talk to the coach twice about that, and the elbows stopped. Now the rest of the team largely ignores him at school. Less shot at a concussion or injury, but now school sucks even more. Yippie.
I just found it odd that they are acting like they already know who the starters for Varsity are going to be when they are Sophomores and these kids ain't Anthony Davis or anything.
After thinking about all our discussions, I have mentioned a few times that he should consider channeling some of this energy into coaching or volunteering. Maybe ask if they need an assistant for a younger team? Look into a Big Brother thing in the area? Something He said me might look into being a ref next year maybe as well. Who knows, maybe in a few months he will change his mind about school ball too. Time will tell.
Yeah sure. And when he goes to college maybe mommy and daddy can talk to his professor for him when he gets a bad grade. And when he gets a job maybe mommy and daddy can go talk to his boss when he gets skipped over for a promotion.terrible takeYour son is in high school, there is absolutely no reason for the parent to get involved. If he wants to transfer because of athletics, you're doing it wrong.
My daughter plays high level softball and is currently in the recruiting process to play D1 in college. She won't allow me to speak to any coaches (both HS and Club), administrators or anyone who is even remotely close to the softball program or has any type of control or influence over it. Guess, we just raise them differently here. Best to try and stay away from helicopter parents.
raising kids isn't a one-size-fits-all proposition. you're apparently the kind of guy who forces their kids to suffer needlessly for no reason, and that's great fodder for your kid's therapists to work through down the road.
some of us prefer not to force our kids to suffer needlessly when there are options available to prevent unnecessary bad outcomes.
telling kids "get ####ed. suffer." isn't something that we're doing in 2023. hth.
also let me say this many many colleges recruit families they want the whole picture and if you are a parent who wont help your kid or who sits in the stands yelling and being in general a disagreeable sob you are hurting your kids recruiting prospects take that to the bank bromigos
He ended up getting a spot on an AAU team over the summer and it was probably the best thing that's happened to him basketball-wise. It's all about the coach - he got one that worked with the kids, actually gave them print outs of what they do well and what they can do to improve. The coach pushed him and wanted him in the O more and it gave him quite the confidence boost. It put a little fire in him, and I've noticed he's been hitting the courts more and more since then. He saw the HS varsity coach over the summer, asked him what he wanted him to work on, and has been doing that in the ams by himself at school. He's been putting up 800-1000 3s a week, and working on other stuff there. Then he also goes to the rec center and works on post moves and footwork at night a few times a week. The HS season starts in about 3 weeks, so we will see then how the team dynamics are and how the tryouts go. Been proud of how he's handled this and the work he's been putting into it. Still doesn't like the coach, the team dynamic, or most of the players on his team, but we don't have much control over that part of the equation.@KarmaPolice - found this thread through mine. Hope all is well with your son.
What did you end up doing?