Who will own pick 1.1? Chi. And then what? (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

Are we really sure that Caleb Williams isn't just another Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart? he's a turnover factory, throws too many ints I wasn't that impressed watching him play this year.
Penix has that 'it' factor, imo. he's unflappable. not a big believer in USC QBs in the NFL last 20 years or so. too much risk that high in the draft to pick the next USC QB flop

Carson Palmer was a good QB.

 

[Soulfly3]

bust written all over him. wouldn't touch him w a ten foot pole, and Ive said that for months now.

3 and maybe evn 4 QBs deserve and should be taken ahead of him.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Sorry about the thread title but this is more about the bad teams draft order

Shoutout to NE winning out of pick 2 and all the 4 win teams accidentally winning this week - NYJ, Chi, NYG, Tenn

 

[Grahamburn]

Are we really sure that Caleb Williams isn't just another Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart? he's a turnover factory, throws too many ints I wasn't that impressed watching him play this year.
Penix has that 'it' factor, imo. he's unflappable. not a big believer in USC QBs in the NFL last 20 years or so. too much risk that high in the draft to pick the next USC QB flop

Williams has 10 total INTs the last two seasons. Penix has 17.

Williams has accounted for 93 total TDs.
Penix has 71.

 

[Grahamburn]

bust written all over him. wouldn't touch him w a ten foot pole, and Ive said that for months now.

3 and maybe evn 4 QBs deserve and should be taken ahead of him.

So, hypothetically, if you could get rid of Watson for no dead money you wouldn’t “touch this kid with a ten foot pole?”

I don’t believe you.

 

[Boston]

Sorry about the thread title but this is more about the bad teams draft order

Shoutout to NE winning out of pick 2 and all the 4 win teams accidentally winning this week - NYJ, Chi, NYG, Tenn

The times have changed...used to worry about getting homefield advantage and getting a bye and now it's getting excited about getting a high pick...gotta start somewhere!

 

[IHEARTFF]

Carolina avg 12 ppg since week 7 bye

 

[Grahamburn]

Sorry about the thread title but this is more about the bad teams draft order

Shoutout to NE winning out of pick 2 and all the 4 win teams accidentally winning this week - NYJ, Chi, NYG, Tenn

The times have changed...used to worry about getting homefield advantage and getting a bye and now it's getting excited about getting a high pick...gotta start somewhere!

Welcome to the party, pal!

 

[Boston]

Sorry about the thread title but this is more about the bad teams draft order

Shoutout to NE winning out of pick 2 and all the 4 win teams accidentally winning this week - NYJ, Chi, NYG, Tenn

The times have changed...used to worry about getting homefield advantage and getting a bye and now it's getting excited about getting a high pick...gotta start somewhere!

Welcome to the party, pal!

Pre-Parcells this was an annual thing for Patriot fans...been there plenty of times...it's probably a good thing for the youngsters...been too easy for them.

 

[Mitchie]

Current Top 10

Chi (Car)
NE
Zona
Wash
Chi
LV
NYJ
NYG
Tenn
LAC

 

[Max Power]

Bears trade #1 to the Raiders who take Caleb

 

[Timmay]

I think Bears trade Fields to a team like the Raiders or Falcons. Draft Caleb #1 overall. New England gets Maye at #2. I think the Bears will regret the decision.

 

[Grahamburn]

I think Bears trade Fields to a team like the Raiders or Falcons. Draft Caleb #1 overall. New England gets Maye at #2. I think the Bears will regret the decision.

Why? You think they'll be jealous because they won't be in the running for the #1 pick every year anymore?

 

[Soulfly3]

bust written all over him. wouldn't touch him w a ten foot pole, and Ive said that for months now.

3 and maybe evn 4 QBs deserve and should be taken ahead of him.

So, hypothetically, if you could get rid of Watson for no dead money you wouldn’t “touch this kid with a ten foot pole?”

I don’t believe you.

I would take watson 10 times out of 10. I know what Watson can do in the NFL...

The ONLY reason Id do it is the financial flexibility. But on the field? No. I'm legit taking the position that he'll be a complete bust. His attitude stinks

 

[Timmay]

I think Bears trade Fields to a team like the Raiders or Falcons. Draft Caleb #1 overall. New England gets Maye at #2. I think the Bears will regret the decision.

Why? You think they'll be jealous because they won't be in the running for the #1 pick every year anymore?

Caleb Williams will not live up to the hype and be average at best. Giving them an average team for the next 4-5 year window.

 

[Grahamburn]

bust written all over him. wouldn't touch him w a ten foot pole, and Ive said that for months now.

3 and maybe evn 4 QBs deserve and should be taken ahead of him.

So, hypothetically, if you could get rid of Watson for no dead money you wouldn’t “touch this kid with a ten foot pole?”

I don’t believe you.

I would take watson 10 times out of 10. I know what Watson can do in the NFL...

The ONLY reason Id do it is the financial flexibility. But on the field? No. I'm legit taking the position that he'll be a complete bust. His attitude stinks

You know what he did in Houston. He has been mediocre at best for the Browns. When he has played...

If the Browns could actually have Caleb Williams right now you would drop DeSean Watson in a heartbeat.

 

[Soulfly3]

bust written all over him. wouldn't touch him w a ten foot pole, and Ive said that for months now.

3 and maybe evn 4 QBs deserve and should be taken ahead of him.

So, hypothetically, if you could get rid of Watson for no dead money you wouldn’t “touch this kid with a ten foot pole?”

I don’t believe you.

I would take watson 10 times out of 10. I know what Watson can do in the NFL...

The ONLY reason Id do it is the financial flexibility. But on the field? No. I'm legit taking the position that he'll be a complete bust. His attitude stinks

You know what he did in Houston. He has been mediocre at best for the Browns. When he has played...

If the Browns could actually have Caleb Williams right now you would drop DeSean Watson in a heartbeat.

I don't care to get into what teams would/wouldnt do... I'm telling you from what I've seen with my eyes this season, and all that's come out about him and his attitude/off-field stuff... I'm not a fan.

He will at best, IMO, be a startable fantasy QB.

Add in the fact that I'm never that hot on warm weather QBs either... He's a pass for me.

You'll know where to find me if he's good. I'll have no problem saying I'm wrong.

Penix or Maye is the QB for me, although the more I look at the class as a whole, the less I love it (contrary to most) .

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Are we really sure that Caleb Williams isn't just another Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart? he's a turnover factory, throws too many ints I wasn't that impressed watching him play this year.
Penix has that 'it' factor, imo. he's unflappable. not a big believer in USC QBs in the NFL last 20 years or so. too much risk that high in the draft to pick the next USC QB flop

No one can say CW is an elite NFL QB, but you invest in talent, and he has talent in spades. There is no such thing as a sure thing. That said, CW is the conservative play and we all see what happened to Carolina being conservative when choosing between the top 4. It looks like they got the worst of the bunch.

For the record I believe Caleb will be a pro bowl caliber QB, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.

 

[elguapo07]

Was trades multiple picks to get CW at #1. Chi builds around Fields and drafts an OT early then gets a WR to pair with Moore.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Would the Patriots want to trade up from 2 to 1? Not so sure about that
Washington will have a new head coach, surely they will want their own prospect at QB coming out of college, can see them mortgaging the farm to move up to No 1
If I were Chicago, I'd want to get Harrison Jr if possible, not sure the exact spot but...
1. Wash vis trade up
2. New England
3. Arizona, seems like a perfect landing spot for Harrison to pair with Murray
4. Chicago - OT
5. Chicago - Edge/Front 7 type

Is Vegas all set with AOC? Jets and Giants are sorta stuck with the beds they made this past off season, then you have the Titans and they seem like Levis might be the right move for now.
Only a couple teams that are starving for a QB in the Top 10 depending on your POV

 

[steelcityman]

Chicago plays like they will draft QB, wont, move down to end up with picks 5-6, Raiders take Williams at 1, Pats get Maye at 2, ARZ falls into Harrison, Washington takes OL, Bears get OL and Nabers.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Are we really sure that Caleb Williams isn't just another Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart? he's a turnover factory, throws too many ints I wasn't that impressed watching him play this year.
Penix has that 'it' factor, imo. he's unflappable. not a big believer in USC QBs in the NFL last 20 years or so. too much risk that high in the draft to pick the next USC QB flop

Carson Palmer was a good QB.

Agree.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Was trades multiple picks to get CW at #1. Chi builds around Fields and drafts an OT early then gets a WR to pair with Moore.

that ain't happening. QB would be a nice to have for WAS. If he falls in their lap so be it. If not, we have other needs and Howell is fine. But someone will trade up for CW or DM.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Chicago plays like they will draft QB, wont, move down to end up with picks 5-6, Raiders take Williams at 1, Pats get Maye at 2, ARZ falls into Harrison, Washington takes OL, Bears get OL and Nabers.

This seems realistic.

 

[travdogg]

Would the Patriots want to trade up from 2 to 1? Not so sure about that
Washington will have a new head coach, surely they will want their own prospect at QB coming out of college, can see them mortgaging the farm to move up to No 1
If I were Chicago, I'd want to get Harrison Jr if possible, not sure the exact spot but...
1. Wash vis trade up
2. New England
3. Arizona, seems like a perfect landing spot for Harrison to pair with Murray
4. Chicago - OT
5. Chicago - Edge/Front 7 type

Is Vegas all set with AOC? Jets and Giants are sorta stuck with the beds they made this past off season, then you have the Titans and they seem like Levis might be the right move for now.
Only a couple teams that are starving for a QB in the Top 10 depending on your POV

I would be shocked if the Raiders went with O'Connell. He's shown nothing, and they'll likely be breaking in a new HC. I think they are more likely to move up to #1, than just roll with him. I do think the Titans stick with Levis. He's shown some promise, especially on deep balls, despite having really just Hopkins to throw to.

I do agree that Sam Howell is no lock to be Washington's long-term starter. Also of note is their new owner may want to have a new "face of the franchise" as a symbol of moving past the Synder era.

I think whoever doesn't win the division between Atl/TB is a good candidate to move up for a QB. I think Atlanta is a legit top-8 NFL team if they had a good QB. Put Josh Allen on the Falcons and they are 9-4 at least, and in the hunt for the bye. Even someone like Stafford, and they are running away with the NFC South.

 

[Wrigley]

Was trades multiple picks to get CW at #1. Chi builds around Fields and drafts an OT early then gets a WR to pair with Moore.

This makes too much sense for the Bears to do it.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Would the Patriots want to trade up from 2 to 1? Not so sure about that
Washington will have a new head coach, surely they will want their own prospect at QB coming out of college, can see them mortgaging the farm to move up to No 1
If I were Chicago, I'd want to get Harrison Jr if possible, not sure the exact spot but...
1. Wash vis trade up
2. New England
3. Arizona, seems like a perfect landing spot for Harrison to pair with Murray
4. Chicago - OT
5. Chicago - Edge/Front 7 type

Is Vegas all set with AOC? Jets and Giants are sorta stuck with the beds they made this past off season, then you have the Titans and they seem like Levis might be the right move for now.
Only a couple teams that are starving for a QB in the Top 10 depending on your POV

I do agree that Sam Howell is no lock to be Washington's long-term starter. Also of note is their new owner may want to have a new "face of the franchise" as a symbol of moving past the Synder era.

As you know I agree with this. But trading draft assets to get a QB isn't likely to happen. Assuming CW/DM are gone, it's more likely they draft OL in Rd 1 then go BPA in rounds 2-5. If there is a QB that fits in BPA, they will take him. Nix, Penix, Sanders are all likley to be there in Round 2. Less likely to be there is Daniels, who I think will be a top 10 pick by draft day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thread needs a title change.

 

[travdogg]

Would the Patriots want to trade up from 2 to 1? Not so sure about that
Washington will have a new head coach, surely they will want their own prospect at QB coming out of college, can see them mortgaging the farm to move up to No 1
If I were Chicago, I'd want to get Harrison Jr if possible, not sure the exact spot but...
1. Wash vis trade up
2. New England
3. Arizona, seems like a perfect landing spot for Harrison to pair with Murray
4. Chicago - OT
5. Chicago - Edge/Front 7 type

Is Vegas all set with AOC? Jets and Giants are sorta stuck with the beds they made this past off season, then you have the Titans and they seem like Levis might be the right move for now.
Only a couple teams that are starving for a QB in the Top 10 depending on your POV

I do agree that Sam Howell is no lock to be Washington's long-term starter. Also of note is their new owner may want to have a new "face of the franchise" as a symbol of moving past the Synder era.

As you know I agree with this. But trading draft assets to get a QB isn't likely to happen. Assuming CW/DM are gone, it's more likely they draft OL in Rd 1 then go BPA in rounds 2-5. If there is a QB that fits in BPA, they will take him. Nix, Penix, Sanders are all likley to be there in Round 2. Less likely to be there is Daniels, who I think will be a top 10 pick by draft day.

Its early (obviously) but I highly doubt Nix or Penix make it to round 2. I fully expect 5 1st round QBs.

Why is trading draft assets to move up unlikely for Washington? They just added some picks from the Sweat/Young deals, and they may not have to move far, as they are at pick #4 right now, and are likely to lose out.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Would the Patriots want to trade up from 2 to 1? Not so sure about that
Washington will have a new head coach, surely they will want their own prospect at QB coming out of college, can see them mortgaging the farm to move up to No 1
If I were Chicago, I'd want to get Harrison Jr if possible, not sure the exact spot but...
1. Wash vis trade up
2. New England
3. Arizona, seems like a perfect landing spot for Harrison to pair with Murray
4. Chicago - OT
5. Chicago - Edge/Front 7 type

Is Vegas all set with AOC? Jets and Giants are sorta stuck with the beds they made this past off season, then you have the Titans and they seem like Levis might be the right move for now.
Only a couple teams that are starving for a QB in the Top 10 depending on your POV

I do agree that Sam Howell is no lock to be Washington's long-term starter. Also of note is their new owner may want to have a new "face of the franchise" as a symbol of moving past the Synder era.

As you know I agree with this. But trading draft assets to get a QB isn't likely to happen. Assuming CW/DM are gone, it's more likely they draft OL in Rd 1 then go BPA in rounds 2-5. If there is a QB that fits in BPA, they will take him. Nix, Penix, Sanders are all likley to be there in Round 2. Less likely to be there is Daniels, who I think will be a top 10 pick by draft day.

Its early (obviously) but I highly doubt Nix or Penix make it to round 2. I fully expect 5 1st round QBs.

Why is trading draft assets to move up unlikely for Washington? They just added some picks from the Sweat/Young deals, and they may not have to move far, as they are at pick #4 right now, and are likely to lose out.

I think Washington would be foolish not to look at a trade. I think Washington and Vegas would be likely trade partners for Chicago.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If they can another haul for the #1, take it. You're still building. If you can't, use the #1 on Harrison Jr. Build around Fields through the draft, whether it be offensive skill players or offensive line, then address defense through FA as good as you can. There are some great players out there. This draft is going to be one of the most exciting in recent memory.

 

[ffmail4me]

Was trades multiple picks to get CW at #1. Chi builds around Fields and drafts an OT early then gets a WR to pair with Moore.

This is the exact OPPOSITE of what most Washington fans (like me) want. I think they have a legit shot at the 3rd pick, and I pray they trade back and get a king's ransom for Maye or Daniels from a QB needy team. The last time we traded back with the Saints, giving up Olave netted us Dotson, Brian Robinson, Howell, and Turner. A HUGE win for the franchise. And that was just for moving back from 11 to 16. Moving a top 4 pick should net 1st, 2nd, and future 1st and possibly 2nd too. Sign me up for that!!

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

If they can another haul for the #1, take it. You're still building. If you can't, use the #1 on Harrison Jr. Build around Fields through the draft, whether it be offensive skill players or offensive line, then address defense through FA as good as you can. There are some great players out there. This draft is going to be one of the most exciting in recent memory.

QB FOMO is a real thing in the NFL, for good reason. Teams will be falling all over themselves during the run up to draft day to trade for that #1.

SteelCityMan posted the Shark move for CHI. Fashanu/Alt plus Nabers is a helluva 1st round haul. If they can get an Edge and a C in the 2nd, that's a homerun in my book.

 

[Max Power]

If they can another haul for the #1, take it. You're still building. If you can't, use the #1 on Harrison Jr. Build around Fields through the draft, whether it be offensive skill players or offensive line, then address defense through FA as good as you can. There are some great players out there. This draft is going to be one of the most exciting in recent memory.

QB FOMO is a real thing in the NFL, for good reason. Teams will be falling all over themselves during the run up to draft day to trade for that #1.

SteelCityMan posted the Shark move for CHI. Fashanu/Alt plus Nabers is a helluva 1st round haul. If they can get an Edge and a C in the 2nd, that's a homerun in my book.

I agree. Williams is too good of a QB prospect to not go #1 overall. The #1 overall needs to be a QB or Edge and this draft doesn't have an elite Edge. MHjr is a great player, but there is no value taking him at #1 when this draft is loaded with quality WRs. Some team is going to break the bank again for it.

I like the idea of the Bears trading back and grabbing Fashanu/Alt and an edge in the first like Turner/Robinson/Latu... then hopefully there is still a quality WR left in the early second like a Egbuka or Leggett. This WR class is a tough one to slot.

 

[steelcityman]

My dream, Steelers trade Tomlin to LAC for their 1st pick this year, then the Steelers take that pick and add in next years, and something else, to move up and get D Maye. Its a pipe dream, but something that should not be off the table for the Steelers. They cannot survive with Pickett and Tomlin much longer. Got new GM and asst GM, so let them build their team. If not LAC, look to WASH if RIvera is out, Tomlin is a Virginia guy, bring him home and finally get a real coach.

 

[kylechoffman]

Chargers will find their way into top 5 kind of like they find a way to lose games on the regular.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If they can another haul for the #1, take it. You're still building. If you can't, use the #1 on Harrison Jr. Build around Fields through the draft, whether it be offensive skill players or offensive line, then address defense through FA as good as you can. There are some great players out there. This draft is going to be one of the most exciting in recent memory.

QB FOMO is a real thing in the NFL, for good reason. Teams will be falling all over themselves during the run up to draft day to trade for that #1.

SteelCityMan posted the Shark move for CHI. Fashanu/Alt plus Nabers is a helluva 1st round haul. If they can get an Edge and a C in the 2nd, that's a homerun in my book.

I agree. Williams is too good of a QB prospect to not go #1 overall. The #1 overall needs to be a QB or Edge and this draft doesn't have an elite Edge. MHjr is a great player, but there is no value taking him at #1 when this draft is loaded with quality WRs. Some team is going to break the bank again for it.

I like the idea of the Bears trading back and grabbing Fashanu/Alt and an edge in the first like Turner/Robinson/Latu... then hopefully there is still a quality WR left in the early second like a Egbuka or Leggett. This WR class is a tough one to slot.

This seems like one of the most diverse and talented WR classes in a long time. That said, I would really love to get Harrison, Nebers or Odunze but if you're scouts are good, there is some seriously great WR talent that can be had in rounds 2-4. Like you said though, difficult to predict where most will go and I'm sure there will be some risers based on combine performance. Polk and Legette come to mind here. They could rocket higher if their measurables pan out.

I worry a bit about what the Bears will be able to get for the 1 this season based on what happened last year coupled with the strength and depth of this year's class.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Chargers will find their way into top 5 kind of like they find a way to lose games on the regular.

And draft another WR lol. They really need a new GM and HC...

 

[Max Power]

If they can another haul for the #1, take it. You're still building. If you can't, use the #1 on Harrison Jr. Build around Fields through the draft, whether it be offensive skill players or offensive line, then address defense through FA as good as you can. There are some great players out there. This draft is going to be one of the most exciting in recent memory.

QB FOMO is a real thing in the NFL, for good reason. Teams will be falling all over themselves during the run up to draft day to trade for that #1.

SteelCityMan posted the Shark move for CHI. Fashanu/Alt plus Nabers is a helluva 1st round haul. If they can get an Edge and a C in the 2nd, that's a homerun in my book.

I agree. Williams is too good of a QB prospect to not go #1 overall. The #1 overall needs to be a QB or Edge and this draft doesn't have an elite Edge. MHjr is a great player, but there is no value taking him at #1 when this draft is loaded with quality WRs. Some team is going to break the bank again for it.

I like the idea of the Bears trading back and grabbing Fashanu/Alt and an edge in the first like Turner/Robinson/Latu... then hopefully there is still a quality WR left in the early second like a Egbuka or Leggett. This WR class is a tough one to slot.

This seems like one of the most diverse and talented WR classes in a long time. That said, I would really love to get Harrison, Nebers or Odunze but if you're scouts are good, there is some seriously great WR talent that can be had in rounds 2-4. Like you said though, difficult to predict where most will go and I'm sure there will be some risers based on combine performance. Polk and Legette come to mind here. They could rocket higher if their measurables pan out.

I worry a bit about what the Bears will be able to get for the 1 this season based on what happened last year coupled with the strength and depth of this year's class.

The QB depth piece hurts the value for sure, but I've also heard some talent evaluators say Williams is the best QB prospect since Trevor Lawrence. Bears only need one team to buy into that thinking for a decent haul.

 

[Grahamburn]

Was trades multiple picks to get CW at #1. Chi builds around Fields and drafts an OT early then gets a WR to pair with Moore.

This is the exact OPPOSITE of what most Washington fans (like me) want. I think they have a legit shot at the 3rd pick, and I pray they trade back and get a king's ransom for Maye or Daniels from a QB needy team. The last time we traded back with the Saints, giving up Olave netted us Dotson, Brian Robinson, Howell, and Turner. A HUGE win for the franchise. And that was just for moving back from 11 to 16. Moving a top 4 pick should net 1st, 2nd, and future 1st and possibly 2nd too. Sign me up for that!!

I'll never understand why fans get more excited about picking in the top 10 than actually winning games. It's like a battered woman syndrome. You'd rather keep trading back and continuing to lose than getting a QB that can compete with Dak and Jalen Hurts? How does that make any rational sense?

 

[Brunell4MVP]

1. ATL (via trade) - Caleb Williams
2. NE - Drake Maye
3. ARI - Marvin Harrison
4. WAS - Fashanu
5. CHI - Malik Nabers
6. LV - Jaden Daniels
7. NYJ - Joe Alt
8. NYG - Dallas Turner
9. TEN - JC Latham
10. LAC - Keon Coleman
11. CHI - Kool Aid McKistry

 

[Balco]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

 

[-OZ-]

Chargers will find their way into top 5 kind of like they find a way to lose games on the regular.

And draft another WR lol. They really need a new GM and HC...

Ben Johnson had a good shot in LA until the lions started collapsing.

 

[Grahamburn]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

100% correct.

Here is a link to the contracts for all the QBs in the NFL:

QB Contracts

Notice where guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, and Ryan Tannehill are. Then look at guys like Trevor Lawrence and C.J. Stroud. It is such a huge advantage to have a QB on their rookie contract. Why would you pay Fields more money than Tua? Or Anthony Richardson? Or Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels? Fields is entering year 4. He has already been a rookie first round pick. They have to pick up his 5th year option THIS off-season. You can only have Fields cheap for two more years. Maybe he improves some, but to what level? Or, you could have your favorite rookie on a C.J. Stroud deal. It's not like Chicago doesn't have other additional picks and ample cap space to improve their surrounding cast.

Keeping Fields is flat out stupid.

 

[-OZ-]

1. CHI - Caleb Williams
2. NE - Drake Maye
3. ARI - Marvin Harrison
4. WAS - Olu Fashanu
5. CHI - Dallas Turner
6. NYG - Jayden Daniels
7. LV - Michael Penix
8. TEN - Joe Alt
9. NYJ - Rome Odunze
10. LAC - JC Latham

Why do various mocks / draft order lists vary when they were updated today or yesterday?

Fields gets traded to Atlanta for a 2nd with some other minor stuff changing hands.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I've been watching some youtube highlight reels. There are a number of good QBs in this draft. 4-5 that have SB starter potential. I'll stay on the Caleb train because I think improvisation is required skill to play modern NFL QB. Drake Maye has it too, just in a different way. These two are basically Pat Mahomes vs Josh Allen. And Jayden Daniels is gonna be a steal for someone. And he's also the reason some teams drafting 4-10 might not want to move up.

 

[Max Power]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

100% correct.

Here is a link to the contracts for all the QBs in the NFL:

QB Contracts

Notice where guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, and Ryan Tannehill are. Then look at guys like Trevor Lawrence and C.J. Stroud. It is such a huge advantage to have a QB on their rookie contract. Why would you pay Fields more money than Tua? Or Anthony Richardson? Or Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels? Fields is entering year 4. He has already been a rookie first round pick. They have to pick up his 5th year option THIS off-season. You can only have Fields cheap for two more years. Maybe he improves some, but to what level? Or, you could have your favorite rookie on a C.J. Stroud deal. It's not like Chicago doesn't have other additional picks and ample cap space to improve their surrounding cast.

Keeping Fields is flat out stupid.

I'd be interested in seeing what JF's agent thinks he is worth. If they can keep him long term around 33-37mil a year, I think its worth entertaining it. Guys like Lawrence and Tua are about to break the bank for their teams. Now we're starting to see that isn't the best way to build either.

Rookie QBs are risky as well and the NFL has shown its not great at QB evaluations either.

 

[Boston]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

100% correct.

Here is a link to the contracts for all the QBs in the NFL:

QB Contracts

Notice where guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, and Ryan Tannehill are. Then look at guys like Trevor Lawrence and C.J. Stroud. It is such a huge advantage to have a QB on their rookie contract. Why would you pay Fields more money than Tua? Or Anthony Richardson? Or Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels? Fields is entering year 4. He has already been a rookie first round pick. They have to pick up his 5th year option THIS off-season. You can only have Fields cheap for two more years. Maybe he improves some, but to what level? Or, you could have your favorite rookie on a C.J. Stroud deal. It's not like Chicago doesn't have other additional picks and ample cap space to improve their surrounding cast.

Keeping Fields is flat out stupid.

I'd be interested in seeing what JF's agent thinks he is worth. If they can keep him long term around 33-37mil a year, I think its worth entertaining it. Guys like Lawrence and Tua are about to break the bank for their teams. Now we're starting to see that isn't the best way to build either.

Rookie QBs are risky as well and the NFL has shown its not great at QB evaluations either.

I cannot picture it being less then what Daniel Jones got.

 

[Max Power]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

100% correct.

Here is a link to the contracts for all the QBs in the NFL:

QB Contracts

Notice where guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, and Ryan Tannehill are. Then look at guys like Trevor Lawrence and C.J. Stroud. It is such a huge advantage to have a QB on their rookie contract. Why would you pay Fields more money than Tua? Or Anthony Richardson? Or Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels? Fields is entering year 4. He has already been a rookie first round pick. They have to pick up his 5th year option THIS off-season. You can only have Fields cheap for two more years. Maybe he improves some, but to what level? Or, you could have your favorite rookie on a C.J. Stroud deal. It's not like Chicago doesn't have other additional picks and ample cap space to improve their surrounding cast.

Keeping Fields is flat out stupid.

I'd be interested in seeing what JF's agent thinks he is worth. If they can keep him long term around 33-37mil a year, I think its worth entertaining it. Guys like Lawrence and Tua are about to break the bank for their teams. Now we're starting to see that isn't the best way to build either.

Rookie QBs are risky as well and the NFL has shown its not great at QB evaluations either.

I cannot picture it being less then what Daniel Jones got.

Daniel Jones won a playoff game. Up until a few weeks ago JF had half a dozen career wins

 

[Boston]

Bears have to be 100% certain Fields is the answer because they will have to pay him soon. If they have doubts and have franchise grades on any of this years qbs they need to take them.

100% correct.

Here is a link to the contracts for all the QBs in the NFL:

QB Contracts

Notice where guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, and Ryan Tannehill are. Then look at guys like Trevor Lawrence and C.J. Stroud. It is such a huge advantage to have a QB on their rookie contract. Why would you pay Fields more money than Tua? Or Anthony Richardson? Or Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels? Fields is entering year 4. He has already been a rookie first round pick. They have to pick up his 5th year option THIS off-season. You can only have Fields cheap for two more years. Maybe he improves some, but to what level? Or, you could have your favorite rookie on a C.J. Stroud deal. It's not like Chicago doesn't have other additional picks and ample cap space to improve their surrounding cast.

Keeping Fields is flat out stupid.

I'd be interested in seeing what JF's agent thinks he is worth. If they can keep him long term around 33-37mil a year, I think its worth entertaining it. Guys like Lawrence and Tua are about to break the bank for their teams. Now we're starting to see that isn't the best way to build either.

Rookie QBs are risky as well and the NFL has shown its not great at QB evaluations either.

I cannot picture it being less then what Daniel Jones got.

Daniel Jones won a playoff game. Up until a few weeks ago JF had half a dozen career wins

You are really not selling me on Jones's resume...my guess is that deal is the standard for the non-franchise young starting QB...worth it or not it is just how the contract game works.