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2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (2 Viewers)
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Scoresman
Footballguy
It's not hard to root against England, that's for sure.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I have no understanding how England's offense can be this bad.
No matter what the coach does, there is no way a team this loaded with talent should have one of the worst xG's in the entire tournament.
It would be one thing if they were just snake bitten with finishing, that happens, but the lack of creating good chances has been so hard all three games so far.
No matter what the coach does, there is no way a team this loaded with talent should have one of the worst xG's in the entire tournament.
It would be one thing if they were just snake bitten with finishing, that happens, but the lack of creating good chances has been so hard all three games so far.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I don't think all the 3rd place teams will be sorted out until tomorrow's games are complete.
Not sorted, but 4 3rd places finishers advance. If England win, Hungary will be above 2 of the 3rd place finishers and progress to the knock outs I believe.
I also think Croatia are eliminated minus a miracle.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
In the first half, the announcers pointed out Foden has more completed passes this entire tournament to his keeper (2) than he does to Kane (1).
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I believe that is correct.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I know he would not have played but seeing the England left back depth, could Jedi have made this team?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
91 minutes and finally a beautiful flowing move from England
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
How is the Denmark - Slovenia tie broken?
That's my question too.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Number of bookings - crazy
"So apparently if things stay as is in Group C, Denmark would finish ahead of Slovenia due to finishing in a higher position in qualifying than SloveniaWhat makes it funnier is that Denmark & Slovenia were in the same qualifying group where once again they finished level on pts"
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Slovenia had one more yellow card which is why Denmark finished second.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Here are the tie breakers. It had to go down to #9 to solve Denmark - Solvenia
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If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:[82]
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Tiebreakers
If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:[82]
- Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question;
- Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question;
- Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question;
- If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams who are still level to determine their final rankings.[a] If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 9 will apply;
- Superior goal difference in all group matches;
- Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
- If on the last round of the group stage, two teams who are facing each other are tied in points, goal difference and goals scored then they drew their match, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams had the same number of points.);
- Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card regardless whether it was a direct red card or two yellow cards, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card);
- Higher position in the European Qualifiers overall ranking, unless the comparison involves host Germany, in which case a drawing of lots will take place.
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Lots of confusion on this right now.... Twitter is saying they have the same number of disciplinary points.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Just eliminate all four teams from our group and reprieve Croatia
Didn't they both have 6?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think he definitely plays for this team if not starts. Trippier is lost on the left. I think Pulisic likely also starts for Croatia in this alternate universe.
titusbramble
Footballguy
The problem isn't just that Trippier is out of position, it's that the opposition knows that Foden will cut in every time as well. Squad needed Mitchell assuming he wasn't injured like Chilly and I didn't notice
How could Croatia go through? Isn't this all figured out now? Of the 3rd place teams:
- Hungary 3
- Croatia 2
- Slovenia 3
- Netherlands 4
- 3rd place group E 3 (but they should go through based on goal differential. Almost impossible for 3rd place to not go through from this group. Ukraine is only team that might realistically have a lower goal differential than Hungary, and if they end up in 3rd place, it will be because of a win/tie which puts them above Hungary anyways)
- 3rd place group F (1, 2, or 4 points)
encaitar
Footballguy
If Southgate were going based on form, then he would've been the starter. Trippier and Shaw didn't have their best years and Ben Chillwell was hurt all year. Jedi literally WAS the best English born LB this year going on form alone.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I see it as 6 each, which means it falls to #9 on the list and is still Denmark over Slovenia.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Netherlands are through with their 4 points.
Denmark place 2nd in Group C. They are in a total flat-footed tie with Slovenia even on discipline points but get placed 2nd based on higher Euro Qualifying (Pot 2 vs Pot 3 for Slovenia).
Slovenia's very convenient 0-0 draw means they are through as top-4 3rd place team ahead of Hungary bc of goal differential. It was a mutually convenient draw - England drawing would put them no worse than 2nd in the group and since the other game drew they actually finish first.
The 0-0 draws were convenient for all but Eliminated Serbia.
-QG
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
yes, I misspoke. The yellow Slovenia picked up today is what ultimately made them lose out on second place.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Third Place
Netherlands has 4 points
Slovenia and Hungary have 3 points
Croatia has 2
all have played their 3 matches.
E Slovakia has 3 with a match to go. At a minimum third place in E will have 3.
F Czechia has 1 with a match to go. Third here will have 1 to 4.
Croatia can't finish in the top four, so eliminated.
Netherlands has 4 points
Slovenia and Hungary have 3 points
Croatia has 2
all have played their 3 matches.
E Slovakia has 3 with a match to go. At a minimum third place in E will have 3.
F Czechia has 1 with a match to go. Third here will have 1 to 4.
Croatia can't finish in the top four, so eliminated.
gianmarco
Footballguy
If by goals you mean things like "show up", "play to the final whistle", "limit turnovers", then yes.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Anti MLS ranters heads would explode in sheer orgasmic bliss
encaitar
Footballguy
If they both wore sunglasses and a hat.... would we even notice?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Bounce passes.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Meh, these guys are used to 100 degree games in Spain, etc.
El Floppo
Footballguy
In Spain? They play in the middle of the summer there?
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
I am predicting much time wasting for the remainder of the game.
Yes.
El Floppo
Footballguy
So they took a break to play the euros and copa? And then right back into it... Interesting.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
CONMEBOL vs CONCACAF so far:
CONMEBOL wins: 2
DRAW: 1
CONCACAF wins: 2
CONMEBOL wins: 2
DRAW: 1
CONCACAF wins: 2
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
"Convenient" maybe in terms of getting through but England really had to win today or risk playing its next game against Germany (which Denmark now must do as they finished second in the group.) They got lucky that Denmark drew with Serbia. The irony perhaps is that by winning the group England get a third place finisher from group D or E, which could be the Netherlands who finished third in D. I'm not sure how that's decided but it seems Netherlands could be a more difficult third place team than one might expect.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
On TV it was extremely noticeable that the sunny side was significantly less full than the other sections. Did people not buy those seats or did they just seek out shade some where during the game?
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