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DR★ Music Draft reopened: make any outstanding picks and let's talk about the next draft (1 Viewer)
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Eephus
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Chaos Commish
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I'm making a band. Do the same? I'm going to add to Douglas tonight and maybe post the rest tomorrow. Mine are all written down and I welcome sniping so share however you like. Not sure why you want to be mean about it though.
Mrs. Rannous
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Eephus
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Here's my scarcity gimmick I came up while walking the Boz.
Still a 1965-85 song draft but no Billboard requirements because it seems like too much work.
We start with two dice rolls, one to select the starting year and another to determine whether we go through the years in forward or reverse order. For the purposes of this example, let's assume we're starting in 1970 and going backwards so the rounds would go 70, 69, 68, 67, 66, 65, 85, 84...
Round #1, everyone picks a song from 1970. At the end of the round, all artists chosen during that round are blacklisted for the rest of the draft. So if "Let it Be" was drafted in 1970, no Beatles songs could be chosen for 1969-65. The blacklist doesn't kick in until the end of the round so someone else could draft "The Long & Winding Road" as their round #1.
The gimmick enforces scarcity, introduces a bit of strategy and allows drafters at the end of the round to scramble things up.
Fine print:
If someone was skipped during the round, their artist would remain eligible for one round after the make-up pick was made so everyone would have a fair shot at the artist.
We'd go by the artist of record so the Jackson Five, The Jacksons and Michael Jackson would be three different artists.
ETA: ...or we could just skip the Billboard songs
Still a 1965-85 song draft but no Billboard requirements because it seems like too much work.
We start with two dice rolls, one to select the starting year and another to determine whether we go through the years in forward or reverse order. For the purposes of this example, let's assume we're starting in 1970 and going backwards so the rounds would go 70, 69, 68, 67, 66, 65, 85, 84...
Round #1, everyone picks a song from 1970. At the end of the round, all artists chosen during that round are blacklisted for the rest of the draft. So if "Let it Be" was drafted in 1970, no Beatles songs could be chosen for 1969-65. The blacklist doesn't kick in until the end of the round so someone else could draft "The Long & Winding Road" as their round #1.
The gimmick enforces scarcity, introduces a bit of strategy and allows drafters at the end of the round to scramble things up.
Fine print:
If someone was skipped during the round, their artist would remain eligible for one round after the make-up pick was made so everyone would have a fair shot at the artist.
We'd go by the artist of record so the Jackson Five, The Jacksons and Michael Jackson would be three different artists.
ETA: ...or we could just skip the Billboard songs
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Chaos Commish
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Eephus
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No, a 13 year old mutt named Bosley. He's supposedly some kind of dachshund-pug mix but he's not much of a conversationalist.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
First vocalist - Layne Staley. Man in the Box
No write up necessary or I might get misty over the sad heroin thing. My pick for best rock vocal, evah. Not grunge. Rock. I wouldn't have waited for Cornell to be picked so he would have been rostered in round 4.
Rapper - Lisa Left Eye Lopes. Waterfalls fst fwded to the rap.
I'm no rapperguy but Lisa is cute and she came up with some solid in context lyrics and burned down Andre Rison's house. I get a little giddy thinking of ressurrecting her with a heavy band of brilliance. Her rap parts will set this crew apart and keep everyone smiling, or she'll burn your houses down.
No write up necessary or I might get misty over the sad heroin thing. My pick for best rock vocal, evah. Not grunge. Rock. I wouldn't have waited for Cornell to be picked so he would have been rostered in round 4.
Rapper - Lisa Left Eye Lopes. Waterfalls fst fwded to the rap.
I'm no rapperguy but Lisa is cute and she came up with some solid in context lyrics and burned down Andre Rison's house. I get a little giddy thinking of ressurrecting her with a heavy band of brilliance. Her rap parts will set this crew apart and keep everyone smiling, or she'll burn your houses down.
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Chaos Commish
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There's strength and length on the list at keyboards.
Dan Federici - E Street Band - Sandy
Picking Douglas on sax/other makes Phantom Dan the right fit here. He and the Big Man created the sound of carnivals on the shore together and the same can be done here. I think Bruce's entire eulogy is a must read. Covers some hilarious ground explaining how he became Phantom Dan. But here's the bit about him as a musician:
Dan Federici - E Street Band - Sandy
Picking Douglas on sax/other makes Phantom Dan the right fit here. He and the Big Man created the sound of carnivals on the shore together and the same can be done here. I think Bruce's entire eulogy is a must read. Covers some hilarious ground explaining how he became Phantom Dan. But here's the bit about him as a musician:
Also gets me some squeezebox.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
my drummer - the man who turned down Page and Plant's offer to drum for Zep: B.J. Wilson "Conquistador"
when i think back over all the songs i've loved in my lifetime, this ranks right up there close to the top, and is undoubtedly a top 10, as far as most listens by me. i am still blown away by that drumming, and his bombastic, powerful playing was the catalyst for me begging for a drum kit when i was 8 yrs. old.
never got it, but i still have this.
"and though you came with sword held high/you did not conquer/only die"
when i think back over all the songs i've loved in my lifetime, this ranks right up there close to the top, and is undoubtedly a top 10, as far as most listens by me. i am still blown away by that drumming, and his bombastic, powerful playing was the catalyst for me begging for a drum kit when i was 8 yrs. old.
never got it, but i still have this.
"and though you came with sword held high/you did not conquer/only die"
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dal_boys_phan
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Willing to be a participant in the next draft...songs, albums, Billboard, whatevers.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Should be a bunch of non-charting terrible counting crows albums available
I'd be in too.
simey
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
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in - either way.Here's my scarcity gimmick I came up while walking the Boz.
Still a 1965-85 song draft but no Billboard requirements because it seems like too much work.
We start with two dice rolls, one to select the starting year and another to determine whether we go through the years in forward or reverse order. For the purposes of this example, let's assume we're starting in 1970 and going backwards so the rounds would go 70, 69, 68, 67, 66, 65, 85, 84...
Round #1, everyone picks a song from 1970. At the end of the round, all artists chosen during that round are blacklisted for the rest of the draft. So if "Let it Be" was drafted in 1970, no Beatles songs could be chosen for 1969-65. The blacklist doesn't kick in until the end of the round so someone else could draft "The Long & Winding Road" as their round #1.
The gimmick enforces scarcity, introduces a bit of strategy and allows drafters at the end of the round to scramble things up.
Fine print:
If someone was skipped during the round, their artist would remain eligible for one round after the make-up pick was made so everyone would have a fair shot at the artist.
We'd go by the artist of record so the Jackson Five, The Jacksons and Michael Jackson would be three different artists.
ETA: ...or we could just skip the Billboard songs
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Me too - I need a distraction.
What about songs that never charted in the top 40. Might be difficult to research and we'd need a definite chart/guide.
wikkidpissah
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wikkid pikkit & Pops were the most regrettable omissions on my card. i understand not picking blues/jazz/country founding fathers and resisted the urge myself, but, without Louis Armstrong, singing would still be humming along with words
Eephus
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E Street Brat
Footballguy
Happy to see you got your draft back.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
rules?
convention out the winderr atm
(i did not consult the google sheet for this pick - we split the stix)
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
DamNation
Voices: Prince, Elvis, Laura Nyro, Lowell George, Steve Marriott, Tupac (rhymes), Rahsaan Roland Kirk (screams, growls, hums) Frank Zappa (sardonic patter)
Guitars: Prince, Zappa, Lowell George, Steve Marriott
Keyboards: Prince, Keith Emerson, Laura Nyro, Frank Zappa, Lowell George, Steve Marriott
Bass: Prince, Jaco Pastorius, Keith Emerson (Hammond C-3 and cathedral organ bass pedals)
Drums: B.J. Wilson (get off my stool, Prince!)
Horns, Woodwinds, Whistles, Percussion: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
You might see some themes here:
1) Prince is everywhere (and should be)
2) I want Hell to kick us up to Heaven for making too much noise. I am terribly disappointed in the last 30 years of music. It is very little more than expression & boutique vanity. I hear no celestial call in anything anyone is doing anymore. Music became what it is because, for 200 yrs, each generation's best said "Watch & listen. Y'ain't heard this before". Art is not great if it is just personal. It must be arch in some way. A rung has not been added to that ladder in some time. I hope to have assembled here an ensemble that might do something about that.
Prince, Emerson, Pastorius have easily the greatest harmonic sense in each their realms. Zappa's, Nyro's & Kirk's non-traditional scales should create some synergy. Presley's, Shakur's, Marriott's power & presence will drive innovation. Wilson's great sense of moment and facility with signature and style will frame the efforts. And Lowell will be in the booth with me, using his otherwordly ability to shape sound into sense to make sure it translates to human experience. Elvis's & Tupac's entourages will either re-kill each other or take over downtown Pandaemonium. I want to die just to buy this record. nufced
Voices: Prince, Elvis, Laura Nyro, Lowell George, Steve Marriott, Tupac (rhymes), Rahsaan Roland Kirk (screams, growls, hums) Frank Zappa (sardonic patter)
Guitars: Prince, Zappa, Lowell George, Steve Marriott
Keyboards: Prince, Keith Emerson, Laura Nyro, Frank Zappa, Lowell George, Steve Marriott
Bass: Prince, Jaco Pastorius, Keith Emerson (Hammond C-3 and cathedral organ bass pedals)
Drums: B.J. Wilson (get off my stool, Prince!)
Horns, Woodwinds, Whistles, Percussion: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
You might see some themes here:
1) Prince is everywhere (and should be)
2) I want Hell to kick us up to Heaven for making too much noise. I am terribly disappointed in the last 30 years of music. It is very little more than expression & boutique vanity. I hear no celestial call in anything anyone is doing anymore. Music became what it is because, for 200 yrs, each generation's best said "Watch & listen. Y'ain't heard this before". Art is not great if it is just personal. It must be arch in some way. A rung has not been added to that ladder in some time. I hope to have assembled here an ensemble that might do something about that.
Prince, Emerson, Pastorius have easily the greatest harmonic sense in each their realms. Zappa's, Nyro's & Kirk's non-traditional scales should create some synergy. Presley's, Shakur's, Marriott's power & presence will drive innovation. Wilson's great sense of moment and facility with signature and style will frame the efforts. And Lowell will be in the booth with me, using his otherwordly ability to shape sound into sense to make sure it translates to human experience. Elvis's & Tupac's entourages will either re-kill each other or take over downtown Pandaemonium. I want to die just to buy this record. nufced
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Mr. Ected
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Two of my favorite videos from people that I didn't get to pick are...
Prince - While My Guitar Gently Weeps (2004 RRHOF induction of George Harrison) The solo at the end is spectacular, and where does the guitar go?
Read the short article about the prep for the show.
SRV - Pride and Joy (MTV Acoustic) - Amazing to listen to that song and realize there is only one instrument (besides the sweet voice )
Prince - While My Guitar Gently Weeps (2004 RRHOF induction of George Harrison) The solo at the end is spectacular, and where does the guitar go?
Read the short article about the prep for the show.SRV - Pride and Joy (MTV Acoustic) - Amazing to listen to that song and realize there is only one instrument (besides the sweet voice
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Eephus
Footballguy
Died of leukemia in 2010.
I hated Summer Girls at the time but it's one of those songs that takes me back to a specific time and place.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I was going to use the HOF footage because of the difficulty linking Prince's studio catalogue, but i was able to find a link to an old Prince chestnut that might shed new light to a lot of folk on his guitar work.Two of my favorite videos from people that I didn't get to pick are...
Prince - While My Guitar Gently Weeps (2004 RRHOF induction of George Harrison) The solo at the end is spectacular, and where does the guitar go?
SRV - Pride and Joy (MTV Acoustic) - Amazing to listen to that song and realize there is only one instrument (besides the sweet voice
My son's mom & i used to play weddings together (she was a casino lounge singer) as a way for me to perform which bypassed my terrible stagefright (my eyes never left hers onstage). Our back & forth on Pride & Joy made it easily our most-requested number. WONDERFUL tune.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I'm in for the next one too, I've been in Europe for a couple weeks. Is the next one going to take place here or maybe somewhere where the moderation is more coherent?
Waingro
Footballguy
Lol. Yea it's all over the place. Would fit right into the genrepalooza draft.
I was mainly targeting artist that have inspired and tickled my musical tastes over the years and wasn't really thinking about putting together a coherent band. I like that others were thinking this way though.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
It's one of the worst songs of all time - but sad that the kid died. At least I'm sure he got a ton of p###y when he was alive.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Yeah, I thought it would be hard to quantify. Was just going for sort of a "sleeper" type music draft. We've sort of done it all at this point.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Sorry, I didn't read the entire last page. Looks like you all have discussed this already
I'm in whatever you choose.
Doug B
Footballguy
Wanted to finish my selections:
9th: Papa John Creach, Violin (Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane/Starship) - "Feel So Good"
That's the 11-minute live version ... forward to about 2:15 to hear Papa John break it down on the electric fiddle. And of course, he was superb at laying down lush sonic backgrounds, as well.
10th: David Byron, Vocals (Uriah Heep) - "Lady in Black"
Unless you've been talking to King Diamond or other European metal artists, you won't hear a lot of acclaim for Byron. Trying to rectify that a little bit here.
11th: Robert Palmer, Vocals - "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming"
Yes, he's covering Michael and Jermaine on this track. Got him on Soul Train in 1989.
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9th: Papa John Creach, Violin (Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane/Starship) - "Feel So Good"
That's the 11-minute live version ... forward to about 2:15 to hear Papa John break it down on the electric fiddle. And of course, he was superb at laying down lush sonic backgrounds, as well.
10th: David Byron, Vocals (Uriah Heep) - "Lady in Black"
Unless you've been talking to King Diamond or other European metal artists, you won't hear a lot of acclaim for Byron. Trying to rectify that a little bit here.
11th: Robert Palmer, Vocals - "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming"
Yes, he's covering Michael and Jermaine on this track. Got him on Soul Train in 1989.
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Doug B
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Wikipedia is very close to a one-stop shop for Top 40 entries. Trick is, you don't search for "Top 40 hits - 1975" or anything like that. You instead select the artist's page, and follow the link to their discography. Once in the discography, there will be typically be a section for released singles, and the Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart position for those singles will be shown.
For smaller artists, the discography will be part of their main Wiki article. Bigger artists will typically have a separate discography Wiki article from their bio/career/personal info page.
That will get all but a very small handful of Hot 100 songs. For anything that falls through the cracks, I have some Billboard Top 40 and Hot 100 books at home I can research pretty quickly -- they go up to mid-1992.
For smaller artists, the discography will be part of their main Wiki article. Bigger artists will typically have a separate discography Wiki article from their bio/career/personal info page.
That will get all but a very small handful of Hot 100 songs. For anything that falls through the cracks, I have some Billboard Top 40 and Hot 100 books at home I can research pretty quickly -- they go up to mid-1992.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
this pick, that song, his chops
tell ya what, to me, this is goff as #### - ?ahhh ahh ahh ahh ahh ah ah ahhh ahhhh ah ah ahah ahh?
Doug B
Footballguy
Anything wrong with using these sites, also, for Top 40 checks? These sites are run by the same guys, so they cross-reference each other:
https://weeklytop40.wordpress.com/
https://singleschronology.wordpress.com/
And, to search for a song ... you don't have to sift through those web pages. Enter this into Google "weeklytop40.wordpress.com, SONG_TITLE, ARTIST" and/or "singleschronology.wordpress.com, SONG_TITLE, ARTIST". Artist name would be optional in the search, usually, unless the song title is kind of generic.
I just found Pearl Jam's "Even Flow" that way, as a test. I quickly learned that it never made the Hot 100, but appeared on the Bubbling Under chart. It was not released as a commercial single in the U.S. until 1995 ... so it's chart appearance was based strictly on airplay.
https://weeklytop40.wordpress.com/
https://singleschronology.wordpress.com/
And, to search for a song ... you don't have to sift through those web pages. Enter this into Google "weeklytop40.wordpress.com, SONG_TITLE, ARTIST" and/or "singleschronology.wordpress.com, SONG_TITLE, ARTIST". Artist name would be optional in the search, usually, unless the song title is kind of generic.
I just found Pearl Jam's "Even Flow" that way, as a test. I quickly learned that it never made the Hot 100, but appeared on the Bubbling Under chart. It was not released as a commercial single in the U.S. until 1995 ... so it's chart appearance was based strictly on airplay.
Eephus
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
I remember using the first site for a previous draft. Site search was kind of wonky as I recall.
If we're all drafting from the same year during a round, CTRL-F should work OK
Doug B
Footballguy
Yeah, I wouldn't use the site search, either. Google's spiders do a much better job.
Even searching for stuff on FBGs itself ... I always Google search leading off with the site name.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Townes is on my short list of writers along with Curtis Mayfield who was chosen and another. I like the idea of Layne singing dark stuff from Townes so.krista4 said:
wikkidpissah
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