nibbomydaets
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It's a judgment call. To me, it didn't look like he didn't have control. Hard to take away that TD.I have no dog in this hunt, but that did not happen while in bounds...nibbomydaets said:
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Andrew74
Footballguy
2 weeks ago everyone said these teams stink. Let the spin begin.
identikit
Footballguy
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The Ghost of Common
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Not a Patriots fan either, but it seems like in the weeks leading up to tonights game, they were on the short end of a lot of bad/borderline/questionable calls.
You can spot the tools quite easily by finding the ones that are complaining about that Touchdown NOT being overturned now.
You can spot the tools quite easily by finding the ones that are complaining about that Touchdown NOT being overturned now.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Eight weeks ago, everyone said that if the Patriots beat this schedule, with the best teams in the AFC and NFC, they'd have earned every accolade they got. They've played teams that had better records than expected (Cleveland, Cowboys) and teams that struggled early, but gave their absolute best to the Pats (Eagles, Ravens). Sure those teams have struggled, but in the Eagles' case, a lot of the blame fell on focus, and Andy Reid's issues. The Ravens have also struggled on offense, but were playing top defense (#1 in the NFL against the rush and #4 overall in total yards) and had wind to help their pass defense, plus the emotion of a Monday Night Football game against the undefeated Pats, on the week Taylor died. Outside of those games, they've beaten two teams on the road that were undefeated when they met, and are a combined 21-1 in games outside the Pats, by a combined score of 72-47. If they do this thing, they will have played and beaten the division leaders in every division in the AFC as well as the NFC East. They've beaten the next best team in their division, a team that's a game out of a playoff spot right now despite two losses against the Pats, by a combined scored of 94-17. I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind in a thread about hating the Patriots. I just looked it over this morning and thought it was pretty incredible what this team has done already, and what they still have a chance to do. If they do this thing, there's no question that they will be considered the best of all times.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I don't think that ref really cares what one guy thinks. Your sudden love for the Pats is sickening... front runner
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((Morpheus))
Footballguy
do you guys honestly believe gaffney's td wasn't a catch?
that being said - hats off to the ravens. by far their most inspired game of the year.
that being said - hats off to the ravens. by far their most inspired game of the year.
Alias
Footballguy
Agreed, even while taking the lost, that team has to be pumped by the way they played.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
They're 4-8 and blew a game that they should have won. They shouldn't be pumped about anything at all.
freelander
Footballguy
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
Ha, I forgot which station it was aired on. No, no ESPN either. It's on the pay tier and I'm too cheap to shell out anything more than $19 bucks a month for basic.
oneohh
Footballguy
The holding call in the NFL is exactly the same as the foul call in the NBA - it is the easiest way to control the game. If you don't think the refs are calling games for the Pats right now, you're blind and possibly ignorant. All you need to know is what Moss said after the game - if I could find it I would post it - about the refs not calling holding for 3 quarters and deciding to call it at the end of the game (against McAllister). And here's one from Mason: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-4-4...r-Patriots.html.
I don't care how this is defended or rebuked, the patriots were given that win. If I was a pats fan I'd be savoring this win as much if not more than any of the others. This win proved that they can not lose - the refs won't let them.
I don't care how this is defended or rebuked, the patriots were given that win. If I was a pats fan I'd be savoring this win as much if not more than any of the others. This win proved that they can not lose - the refs won't let them.
greenline
Footballguy
yeah, thanks refs for being on our side.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
greenline
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Since this is a thread for the naysayers to revel and bash the Pats, why is it that the "rules are rules" argument that they needed the book thrown at them for Spygate or "rules are rules" in a defensive coordinator not being able to call timeout aren't saying that "rules are rules" on the holding call made at the end of the game.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
TOXIC WASTE* - now and forever
daveR
Footballguy
Someone fill me in regarding "spygate". They had a guy standing as close as he could get to the opposing coach to film signals going in to the game. He wasn't across the field or in the press box or hiding in any way. He was filming something being done publicly.
Is this not clear indication that the Pats thought it was legal to do it?
Is this not clear indication that the Pats thought it was legal to do it?
greenline
Footballguy
good one.TOXIC WASTE
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
It was a clear indication that the league was in the Patriots corner and they wouldn't be adequately punished.
greenline
Footballguy
clearly!
Man, you've got it all figured it out. I should just read only your posts from now on.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'll bite . . . for now.So the stiffest penalty ever assessed to a team in terms of a draft pick, a team fine, and a coach's fine don't scratch the surface does not constitute "adequate?"
TOXIC WASTE(hey, that's kinda fun)
freelander
Footballguy
As long as they are consistent and "let them play" ... it's generally accepted that holding calls can be made on almost every play. Didn't seem like either in this case.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Randy Moss has been notorious for pushing off since his days as a Viking and would get called for it a bunch (especially in the end zone). In New England - not so much. (he pushed off on a slant to the endzone last night right in front of a ref)
Serious question: Why is this?
Serious question: Why is this?
Andrew74
Footballguy
All I commented on was the fact that the Pats barely beat two sub-500 teams and, poof, magically the Ravens and Eagles are in fact really good. Just ignore the records.For the rest, there is nothing to say. Never said I hated the Pats. Although I would disagree with your last sentence.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I guess you haven't been watching all the Pats games, as he's been flagged a ton and several would be TDs were taken away including some phantom ones at that.
oneohh
Footballguy
Because they cherry picked their holding calls, Dave. Just like they cherry pick foul calls like charging. I can understand how happy pats fans are right now, I can. If this was happening to the Cubs I would be throwing fingers to little old ladys and preachers if they wanted to tell me my team's dream season was tainted. But the pats fans don't get to control the pats bashing thread. They just don't. Some of the games this year have looked like total and complete domination; some of the teams have looked like they simply layed down for the almighty pats; and this one was given to them by the refs. It happened and there is nothing anyone can do about it......except bi**h and moan about it in here. So don't tell me how to bi**h and moan in the thread designed for bi**hing and moaning.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Thank you David. No I haven't been watching all the Pats games. I just have seen the past two and haven't seen a flag on him yet. He commited a push off last night - did I miss the flag or was that to make up for the phantom calls in the past.TIA
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I don't really care one way or another, so people can B & M all day for all I care. But it seems sometimes that the arguments that "rules are rules" are bandied about all the time, but apparently some rules are steadfast and true but others are subject to enrforcement based on which side you want to win.I've watched the holding play a dozen times and don't see why people are whining that it wasn't the right call. IMO, Watson was clearly impeded for almost 10 yards with a defender with two arms draped around him. Is that not holding? The argument that he was raped and it was called while on other plays there were murders that weren't called doesn't change that it's still a rape. The ref was watching the play the entire time and was keying in on those two. Who knows, maybe the Pats brought it to his attention that Watson was getting held on every play and to pay closer attention.
oneohh
Footballguy
Great. So now not only are the refs calling games in favor of the pats, the pats are telling the refs how to ref the games and the refs are listening! Chicken or egg - refs call games in favor of the pats or pats tell refs how to do thier job?
I hate the Pats, but thought the hold was pretty obvious.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
And players on every team in every game lobby for calls on almost every snap. Telling the refs that something is going on is a far cry from telling them how to do their job.
D_House
Footballguy
Bills fan here. I can't stand the Pats, but mainly because they've made a habit of whipping on Buffalo. But I haven't begrudged them any of their victories.
On the other hand, the one thing that I find really annoying about the Pats is Brady's seemingly newfound penchant for screaming at the refs after every play that doesn't go his way. I never noticed this about him. In fact, I remember uber-Pats fan Bill Simmons constantly deriding Peyton Manning for similar behavior. It just seems obnoxious though in games when you're up by multiple TDs.
On the other hand, the one thing that I find really annoying about the Pats is Brady's seemingly newfound penchant for screaming at the refs after every play that doesn't go his way. I never noticed this about him. In fact, I remember uber-Pats fan Bill Simmons constantly deriding Peyton Manning for similar behavior. It just seems obnoxious though in games when you're up by multiple TDs.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Huh?
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
Jeez now the refs want the Pats to win. Just like they wanted them to win in Indy when they tagged them for 10-146 and gave Indy 2 phantom PI calls. This board has gone straight down then toilet.
Wow, people are just idiots. When the Pats were blowing people away, everyone said they were running up the score and classless. When they win close games, people say they get help from the refs. Face it, Pats fans (which I am not), you're alone on an island this year where the rest of the nation will never be satisfied with how you win...only a loss will satifsy their insane bloodlust and/or feelings of their own teams' inadequacy.
Look, the Ravens mugged and held the Pats' WRs on nearly every play...that's the only blueprint people have now. Mug Moss, Welker and Stallworth and take your chances with Watson, Faulk, Gafney and Maroney.
And to those whining about the refs being on the Pats' side on that last drive, it might have FELT like the Ravens were jobbed but the officials got ALL of the calls correct during the final drive.
4th and 1: Idiot Ryan called the TO.
4th and 1 again: play whistled dead due to false start by Hochstein
4th down throw to Watson: safety was holding his arm the entire pattern, 20 yards downfield (5 yard rule).
Gaffney catch: close, but no irrefutable evidence to overturn. But let's say they overturned it. The first Bart Scott penalty would have been half the distance to the goal (4 yard line) and auto 1st down. The second penalty half distance (2 yard line) and still 1st down. So Brady would have had 1st and goal from 2 with 44 seconds left and timouts in his pocket. Ballgame.
The only call the refs missed down the stretch was the DOUBLE offensive interference on the hail mary to Clayton. Randall Gay was shoved on his ### by one receiver and Samuel was blatantly bear-hugged by Mason
Look, the Ravens mugged and held the Pats' WRs on nearly every play...that's the only blueprint people have now. Mug Moss, Welker and Stallworth and take your chances with Watson, Faulk, Gafney and Maroney.
And to those whining about the refs being on the Pats' side on that last drive, it might have FELT like the Ravens were jobbed but the officials got ALL of the calls correct during the final drive.
4th and 1: Idiot Ryan called the TO.
4th and 1 again: play whistled dead due to false start by Hochstein
4th down throw to Watson: safety was holding his arm the entire pattern, 20 yards downfield (5 yard rule).
Gaffney catch: close, but no irrefutable evidence to overturn. But let's say they overturned it. The first Bart Scott penalty would have been half the distance to the goal (4 yard line) and auto 1st down. The second penalty half distance (2 yard line) and still 1st down. So Brady would have had 1st and goal from 2 with 44 seconds left and timouts in his pocket. Ballgame.
The only call the refs missed down the stretch was the DOUBLE offensive interference on the hail mary to Clayton. Randall Gay was shoved on his ### by one receiver and Samuel was blatantly bear-hugged by Mason
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oneohh
Footballguy
Yes. Just exactly like that. And what do you expect from the board? This board is the epitomy of fandom. Do you know what the word fanantic means? This is where fun is fun and debates are BS fueled arguments. Seriously, if you don't like it move on.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
toxic wastePhilo Beddoe said:
greenline
Footballguy
one trick pony.
not funny the first time he used it. not funny the 2,127th time he's used it. time to find a new schticky quip there, henny youngman.
Please stop this. J
North
Footballguy
Heres hoping the emotion carries over to Sunday night when they play the Colts.
BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
He gets called all the time. Even a couple of phantom ones. You don't watch the Patriots much.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
You don't read much, I allready said I haven't watched every Pats game. He pushed off last night - why no call? Maybe only calls in blowouts? Payback for "phantom" calls?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Because not every push-off, pass interference, or holding call gets called?
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Dude just said "He gets called all the time. Even a couple of phantom ones."You must not watch the Patriots much.
I was just wonder why not last night in a close game?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
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