Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

[Manster]

@Deamon
This kind of where I am on it. I HIGHLY doubt he sat there being respectful to the cop. Maybe they went overboard......we shall see

How bout them Beavs! I'll be at Reser on Saturday. Hopefully for a victory over the dirty ducks! They should've lost to Boise, dammit!

 

[Stoneworker]

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-It's pretty eye opening to hear him tell the story from his POV, doesn't seem to sugarcoat it or pull any punches
What an outstanding person, you wish that was the guy getting out of the car as you are being detained, arrested, ticketed and manhandled by the police
Incredible to hear him share this and not have to avoid giving details, fascinating

I get that Calais Campbell is a great guy...but the idea of attempting to intervene/interfere while police are handling a legal violation is generally a pretty stupid idea

 

[Deamon]

@Deamon
This kind of where I am on it. I HIGHLY doubt he sat there being respectful to the cop. Maybe they went overboard......we shall see

How bout them Beavs! I'll be at Reser on Saturday. Hopefully for a victory over the dirty ducks! They should've lost to Boise, dammit!

WOO HOO! They likely will stomp us. I'll be down in 2 weeks for the Purdue game!!!

 

[Manster]

@Deamon
This kind of where I am on it. I HIGHLY doubt he sat there being respectful to the cop. Maybe they went overboard......we shall see

How bout them Beavs! I'll be at Reser on Saturday. Hopefully for a victory over the dirty ducks! They should've lost to Boise, dammit!

WOO HOO! They likely will stomp us. I'll be down in 2 weeks for the Purdue game!!!

Going to the Purdue game as well!

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

Steeper for what? What did Hill do? Mouthed off? Do we even know he did?

Good thing you haven't been a part of the new woke military, things have changed.

AFAIK we still discipline soldiers for disrespect. Or many other things others get away with.

But anyway…

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

We were becoming more tolerant before I retired 7 years ago. A lot of things have changed but the uniformed side is still “harsher” than just about any other large organization. (I’m a federal civilian now, we’re definitely softer than the uniformed)

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

We were becoming more tolerant before I retired 7 years ago. A lot of things have changed but the uniformed side is still “harsher” than just about any other large organization. (I’m a federal civilian now, we’re definitely softer than the uniformed)

I agree with you on that point, but it's still sad (and scary) how soft our armed forces are being forced to become. We no longer produce hardened soldiers. We're woefully unprepared for any sort of real war.

 

[BladeRunner]

The Police union put a ******** statement out.

First he was never under arrest, so why was he on the ground and hand cuffed? Oh right 4 police officer safety were in trouble.

just to be clear, you can be detained by police and not be arrested. Yes, that's a thing. They usually put you in cuffs for their safety and yours.

 

[BladeRunner]

Heard a report on Sirius that Hill was indeed mouthing off and not listening to police orders and resisting. If this is true, then down to the pavement you go. Of course, getting hit AFTER the cuffs are on is probably not official procedure but if anyone has watched police video before, you know people in cuffs can still use their legs to kick officers and resist further. Some people don't stop resisting just because cuffs are on. Seriously, go watch some police video on youtube.

So far, IMO, the police still get the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Todem]

No one is above the law. My first reaction w/out having all of the evidence is police don't take you down like that unless you're being belligerent or threatening. I can certainly see Hill saying, "do you know who I am" and insisting it's okay for him to break the law because he's a superstar and has to get to his game, but I don't know. My first instinct is to side with the police because more often than not they're justified.

See, my first instinct is to assume the multiple cops in the video handcuffing a guy who's already on the ground and not resisting after a traffic stop were probably going overboard. You're allowed to talk to the police (albeit probably inadvisable). It's not illegal to say "do you know who I am?"

why do you think the police take you to the ground in the first place? To serve you lunch? He went to the ground BECAUSE they wanted to put cuffs on him for <reason unknown at this time>. My first instinct is that he was resisting, being belligerent and/or threatening, which is why you go to the ground in the first place.

Right, your default assumption is that the cops were justified, and mine is that they weren't. Since neither of us was there and the only video I've seen doesn't show him doing anything that would warrant being handcuffed, I'm going to side with the citizen over the public servants until more info comes out.

That's fair. If more evidence comes out showing the police overreacted then I'd have no problem changing my opinion, but more often than not you go to the ground because of what I specified.

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

We still don't know WHY he was taken down, so not really. Yes, he should not have hit him after he was cuffed but that still doesn't mean the reason he was taken down in the first place was wrong. We still don't know why.

And, if I'm honest, some people need to be hit. This could just be karma coming back to Hill for being the dirtbag that he is. I'm okay with that in a "karma is a b#tch" sense.

Yikes bro.

I think a guy who punches his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach richly deserves to be beaten senseless by someone larger than him. If you feel otherwise, it's because we have different values, and I am okay with that.

Regardless, I wish the folks at ESPN good luck at turning Tyreek Hill into an innocent victim. Should be fun.

I always thought you were smarter/better than this. What happened?

Surely we can agree that a) wife beaters deserve a karmic beating from the universe, and b) cops shouldn't have free rein to beat a guy after a traffic stop. Those can both be true. Dirtbags still have constitutional rights.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. The police can sort all this out on their own time and I'll be satisfied with whatever they determine. I'm just not interested in the "Tyreek Hill is a victim" narrative. He's an abuser, not a victim.

"Tyreek Hill can never be a victim ever b/c he did bad stuff in his past"

Look man I'm not saying Tyreek Hill is a good guy, by any means. If you think someone that did bad things can never be a victim of...bad things, I got nothing.

Strange

I don’t disagree. He has done some really bad things.

I don’t disagree that it makes him automatically guilty in this particular incident.

I think some people just have a very hard time showing empathy with a guy with his highly checkered past.

But it does not matter. What matters is what can be confirmed as facts and until we get an official report and body cam footage….it’s all speculation.

I think there is more than likely guilt on both sides in some form or another. Tyreek probably drove recklessly, mouthed off and disrespected a police officer and on the other side an officer or two (don’t have any idea) lost their temper too and might have been too harsh.

Again we don’t know how all this went down.

 

[Deamon]

ESPN just released a report with a lot more details (from the police's side)

 

[Deamon]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

 

[BladeRunner]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

 

[Deamon]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

I'm pretty confident the truth lies in the middle like most things. Don't think anything will come from it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

 

[BladeRunner]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

I'm pretty confident the truth lies in the middle like most things. Don't think anything will come from it.

You're probably right. The reason he went down and put in cuffs appears to be valid, but if he got hit afterwards that is a different issue and I wonder if that is what other posters may be upset about. I don't disagree with them despite Tyreek being a dirtbag but the reason he went to the pavement is valid, IMO.

 

[BladeRunner]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

I think it's a bit further than just "mouthing off" based on the report and no, I do not think this is a political discussion. I'm simply talking about WHY he went to the ground in the first place.

 

[Deamon]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

There will obviously be no punishment from the league. Sounds like he was driving dumb, got pulled over, was a bit argumentative and maybe the cops went a tad overboard, and then it ended with handshakes. Probably a bit of chest puffing and stubbornness from both sides during the incident.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

hey johnny if the rest of us have to hear your hot takes on the state of liberal cities and other nonsense in the shark pool, you can deal with one thread about Tyreek, or just move on.

 

[JohnnyU]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

hey johnny if the rest of us have to hear your hot takes on the state of liberal cities and other nonsense in the shark pool, you can deal with one thread about Tyreek, or just move on.

Ok Layla, I'll excuse myself out. Thanks for being so nice though.

 

[packdog]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

to me it sounds like a PR statement with carefully considered language intended to protect the members of the union. and it fully admits to not seeing the bodycam. until we see that we don't know. but from this i can already see where the officers are going. the lack of compliance is being blamed on not rolling down his window (was it not fast enough and they pulled him out and cuffed or did they do it in like 2 seconds?) and not sitting down ( that's in the video out there and then they "redirect" to the ground). an angle is being crafted and the lack of comment on if tyreek was mouthing off or not till they see the bodycam just means they don't wanna say anything that might be proven untrue. only bases covered are why tyreek was cuffed and why he was taken to ground because they were on video and the actions most would deem overzealous

 

[Chreesto]

Does the fact the cop has already been put on leave count as evidence that ya know, he messed up here?

It really doesn’t. It’s absolutely possible he screwed up badly and should be fired. But being put on leave during an investigation is somewhat common.

Let’s say he was overzealous, maybe abusive - put him on leave immediately, don’t let him do it again.

Lets say he followed the book - now that he’s under investigation, he might be less likely to follow procedures that could possibly look bad.

FWIW, the military does the same thing, or at least do if they’re following protocol.

I was in the military. We didn't have a union. And the rules and punishments for violations are MUCH MUCH steeper.

Steeper for what? What did Hill do? Mouthed off? Do we even know he did?

Good thing you haven't been a part of the new woke military, things have changed.

AFAIK we still discipline soldiers for disrespect. Or many other things others get away with.

But anyway…

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

 

[Chreesto]

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

We were becoming more tolerant before I retired 7 years ago. A lot of things have changed but the uniformed side is still “harsher” than just about any other large organization. (I’m a federal civilian now, we’re definitely softer than the uniformed)

I agree with you on that point, but it's still sad (and scary) how soft our armed forces are being forced to become. We no longer produce hardened soldiers. We're woefully unprepared for any sort of real war.

This is simply misinformation. We are way more prepared for combat than we were before 9/11.

 

[packdog]

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this has tyreek's side via his lawyer

 

[BlackCrowes]

lol @ "redirected to the ground"

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

We were becoming more tolerant before I retired 7 years ago. A lot of things have changed but the uniformed side is still “harsher” than just about any other large organization. (I’m a federal civilian now, we’re definitely softer than the uniformed)

I agree with you on that point, but it's still sad (and scary) how soft our armed forces are being forced to become. We no longer produce hardened soldiers. We're woefully unprepared for any sort of real war.

This is simply misinformation. We are way more prepared for combat than we were before 9/11.

Lol. Seriously? In what way?

Enlistments hit 40 year lows in 2020. Applications are down even more.

Standards of enlistment are being relaxed to try to mitigate. We are far from prepared.

 

[Todem]

Here's the main new points from it:

The union representing Miami-Dade police officers said in a statement Monday that Tyreek Hill was "uncooperative" and was only "redirected" to the ground while in handcuffs during his detainment before the Miami Dolphins' game Sunday because he refused orders to sit.

"Before the Dolphins game yesterday, an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs before being released. First, to be clear, at no time was he ever under arrest. He was briefly detained for officer safety, after driving in a manner in which he was putting himself and others in great danger," Steadman Stahl, the president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association said in a statement. "Upon being stopped, Mr. Hill was not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who, pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed Mr. Hill in handcuffs. Mr. Hill, still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was therefore redirected to the ground," Stahl added. "Once the situation was sorted out within a few minutes, Mr. Hill was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave."

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Darlington on Monday that Hill received citations for careless driving and a seat belt violation. The Dolphins' Calais Campbell was also detained when he stopped on the scene to offer Hill support, but he did not receive a citation, sources told Darlington.
During an appearance Monday on "The Andy Slater Show," Stahl said the union has not been able to view body camera footage and officers didn't know who they had pulled over Sunday morning.

Stahl said Hill's driving pattern caught officers' attention; he was allegedly driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window.
"If Mr. Hill would have just complied, it would have just sped the process up. He chose not to, he chose to escalate the situation and turn it into something bigger than the Dolphins' win itself," Stahl said.

Stahl said on "The Andy Slater Show" that he wanted to review the body cam footage before developing an opinion on Hill's comments about not being disrespectful or using profanity toward the officers who detained him. He added that Hill did apologize at the end of the incident and shook the officers' hands.

So it sounds like, for now, I was correct in my initial assessment. We'll see if any evidence can be uncovered that disproves this, but I'm not betting on that.

So even if he did mouth off, or not, how does any of this change his availability? Will the NFL suddenly punish him if it can be proven he mouthed off? I guess I don't see the point of this still being discussed a day and half later. This just doesn't seem to be important. It's not as if he hit someone with a car like Rice did, who appears to be able to play the entire year without any accountability. If it's all about whether the cop should be tarred and feathered, then doesn't this border a politics discussion?

There will obviously be no punishment from the league. Sounds like he was driving dumb, got pulled over, was a bit argumentative and maybe the cops went a tad overboard, and then it ended with handshakes. Probably a bit of chest puffing and stubbornness from both sides during the incident.

Yeah…a nothing burger it seems.

Rice on the other hand…..

 

[Chreesto]

I'm not sure what your history is or how old you are, but you have to admit the military has become pretty soft and is much more tolerant these days. Compare punishments for disrespect 40 years ago to punishment for disrespect in 2024. There is no comparison.

We were becoming more tolerant before I retired 7 years ago. A lot of things have changed but the uniformed side is still “harsher” than just about any other large organization. (I’m a federal civilian now, we’re definitely softer than the uniformed)

I agree with you on that point, but it's still sad (and scary) how soft our armed forces are being forced to become. We no longer produce hardened soldiers. We're woefully unprepared for any sort of real war.

This is simply misinformation. We are way more prepared for combat than we were before 9/11.

Lol. Seriously? In what way?

Enlistments hit 40 year lows in 2020. Applications are down even more.

Standards of enlistment are being relaxed to try to mitigate. We are far from prepared.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

 

[Deamon]

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

Ok now I agree with @JohnnyU .... take this **** to the FFA forum.

 

[Chreesto]

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

Ok now I agree with @JohnnyU .... take this **** to the FFA forum.

That's fair. Apologies for ranting, I probably take random internet opinions about my life's work too seriously.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

Ok now I agree with @JohnnyU .... take this **** to the FFA forum.

Much more interesting stuff than the Brett Rypien stuff someone always litters the board with...

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

Ok now I agree with @JohnnyU .... take this **** to the FFA forum.

That's fair. Apologies for ranting, I probably take random internet opinions about my life's work too seriously.

Random? So far I'm the only one that's posted a fact in the convo.

ETA - And if you've served for 27 years and are still active duty, I say thank you for your service. Most people just say that sort of thing in passing, I mean it from the bottom of my heart.

 

[Deamon]

I am not sure what your experience is with the military, but guessing by your statements I would say it is probably very limited. I can't speak for every unit and Soldier, but one of my best friends from high school (fantasy football leaguemate for 33 years) and I just had this conversation over the weekend. I am a still-serving CW4 with 27 years active and he is a still-serving COL with the same amount of time, including west point. Both of us are combat vets, both have bronze stars, between the two of us I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the overall state of the military these last 30 years. While there have been some DEI-style initiatives of questionable value, most of the changes have been really good and meaningful. People throwing out terms like "woke military" are generally Trumpists with little to no real experience in the military, or perhaps they were in for 4 years and feel like that makes them an expert. The main point we focused on was how bad elements (Soldiers) are handled in the military. While no organization is perfect, the military seems to do a MUCH better job of disciplining and removing bad actors. As someone stated above, there is no union for Servicemembers. To make the declaration that the military has become "pretty soft" seems like a really ignorant statement. We still have a bunch of combat vets who have been shaped and hardened by the last 20 years of war and we focus more on physical fitness and fighting skills in our combat units than ever before. I would challenge you to call any Soldier of the 75th Ranger Regiment "soft" and see how that goes. For that matter, I'm pretty old and beat up but I would still take great issue with that statement, and I bet you wouldn't back it up, were we to meet in person.

Being low on Soldiers at some point in the future doesn't mean that the Soldiers we have are not lethal. They are very lethal, more than ever. I have witnessed this force evolve since the mid 90s and, while there is certainly a concern that we won't fill our ranks someday, our current force is battle-hardened and lethal. The amount of combat veterans circulating through leadership roles in the NCO and commissioned-officer ranks is still high. Might we run out of Soldiers? Sure. Is our current force extremely well trained, combat-forged, and fit to fight? Absolutely. The Russians have LOTS of Soldiers, how are they doing against a smaller Ukrainian force that has been trained in US doctrine and equipped with US equipment? We don't need to solve this here but I hope your bona-fides are better than mine if you want to continue this argument. Soldiering is how I have fed my family for 27+ years.

Ok now I agree with @JohnnyU .... take this **** to the FFA forum.

Much more interesting stuff than the Brett Rypien stuff someone always litters the board with...

Brah...

 

[kupcho1]

Calais Campbell's own words on FT today with SAS and SS
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-It's pretty eye opening to hear him tell the story from his POV, doesn't seem to sugarcoat it or pull any punches
What an outstanding person, you wish that was the guy getting out of the car as you are being detained, arrested, ticketed and manhandled by the police
Incredible to hear him share this and not have to avoid giving details, fascinating

Campbell absolutely should never have tried to deescalate the situation. Bad move. They didn't want him involved.

He should have stopped at an appropriate distance and very visibly recorded what was happening on his mobile phone.
Along with sunshine, recording the police can be a helluva disinfectant.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Calais Campbell's own words on FT today with SAS and SS
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-It's pretty eye opening to hear him tell the story from his POV, doesn't seem to sugarcoat it or pull any punches
What an outstanding person, you wish that was the guy getting out of the car as you are being detained, arrested, ticketed and manhandled by the police
Incredible to hear him share this and not have to avoid giving details, fascinating

Campbell absolutely should never have tried to deescalate the situation. Bad move. They didn't want him involved.

He should have stopped at an appropriate distance and very visibly recorded what was happening on his mobile phone.
Along with sunshine, recording the police can be a helluva disinfectant.

All that may be true and I understand the POV about Campbell not stopping but I absolutely Calais Campbell and would want him to be my teammate any day
I felt he did an incredible job of standing up in the moment and once he saw Hill being pushed to the ground while cuffed behind his back...
"I am Spartacus!"

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[Terpman22]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

 

[packdog]

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[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

wow what a surprise Link? Haven’t seen it yet. The lady on ESPN radio said one of the cops was acting “like a madman.”

 

[Todem]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

They definitely did not handle this appropriately at all.

The lead officer was very hot headed and will be disciplined appropriately.

Tyreek should have never rolled his window up at all. Come on man.

He agitated him. No doubt.

But this response from the officers was not warranted. They were in the wrong.

Fortunately nothing spiraled out of control.

 

[kyoun1e]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

I don't know. Couldn't catch the initial dialogue, but Tyreek kept saying "stop knocking on my window" and then refused to roll down his window. He was a bit belligerent I must say. He sure didn't help the situation.

 

[kyoun1e]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

They definitely did not handle this appropriately at all.

The lead officer was very hot headed and will be disciplined appropriately.

Tyreek should have never rolled his window up at all. Come on man.

He agitated him. No doubt.

But this response from the officers was not warranted. They were in the wrong.

Fortunately nothing spiraled out of control.

Let's forget he's Tyreek Hill.

If someone gets pulled over but then refuses to roll down their window?

I don't know.

Both parties here screwed up.

 

[Todem]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

They definitely did not handle this appropriately at all.

The lead officer was very hot headed and will be disciplined appropriately.

Tyreek should have never rolled his window up at all. Come on man.

He agitated him. No doubt.

But this response from the officers was not warranted. They were in the wrong.

Fortunately nothing spiraled out of control.

Let's forget he's Tyreek Hill.

If someone gets pulled over but then refuses to roll down their window?

I don't know.

Both parties here screwed up.

Oh yeah……..I don’t disagree. Tyreek screwed up too. You don’t roll your window up like that when a Police Officer pulls you over and is talking to you.

I stated that pretty clearly in my post. And that is exactly what triggered this officer.

 

[Deamon]

Damn, that video is wild. More on Tyreke's side after seeing it, but still don't know why he rolled his window up, that was dumb. Those cops could have handled things WAY more professionally.

 

[zed2283]

Rappoport just said Miami-Dade police released 105 minutes of bodycam footage today and that it looked all bad for the police.

 

[Terpman22]

Damn, that video is wild. More on Tyreke's side after seeing it, but still don't know why he rolled his window up, that was dumb. Those cops could have handled things WAY more professionally.

The “you better comply” thing gets old after you are told this your entire life, every time some a****** with a badge decides to treat you like crap.

My personally speculation.

 

[Deamon]

Damn, that video is wild. More on Tyreke's side after seeing it, but still don't know why he rolled his window up, that was dumb. Those cops could have handled things WAY more professionally.

The “you better comply” thing gets old after you are told this your entire life, every time some a****** with a badge decides to treat you like crap.

My personally speculation.

those cops seemed like dicks.

 

[BladeRunner]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

Yeah, that's a complete misrepresentation of what happened in the video. Tyreek clearly was being belligerent and not listening to police commands.

 

[Terpman22]

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

Shocker, after reviewing the body cam footage, the cops were the aggressor here.

Yeah, that's a complete misrepresentation of what happened in the video. Tyreek clearly was being belligerent and not listening to police commands.

It’s not.

 

[Doubles]

It’s weird I have to type this on one of my favorite fantasy forums; essentially making it boring. BUT: Pennsylvania v. Mimms made it clear that cops can request a driver to exit their vehicle during a traffic stop for little reason, without it violating your fourth amendment rights. (The “I know my rights” screamers are 99% wrong when they’re screaming it about this).

However, just write the guy a ticket and keep it moving. You pulled over THAT car AND it didn’t even flee. Write them a ticket and move on. Are you shocked the driver of that car is a rich *******?

 

[Todem]

Yeah it was mishandled.

And again…..fortunately it did not escalate further.

The officers will be suspended without pay. And they need to be coached here.

But Tyreek agitated them and it just went all downhill from there.