HellToupee
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What he’s saying isn’t outlandish at all. During the Floyd riots there were lots of accusations of agent provocateurs. You would have to be naïve to think the government wouldn’t want bad optics for protesters
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Unofficial Canadian Thread - Previously Trucker Convoy thread (1 Viewer)
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squistion
Footballguy
There were those who were not government hired agent provocateurs. Here is one.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536
Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: Police
A masked, umbrella-wielding man accused of helping incite riots and looting in the aftermath of George Floyd's police-involved death has been identified as a member of a white supremacist group that aimed to stir racial tensions amid largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protests, according to police.
The 32-year-old, dubbed "Umbrella Man," was captured in a viral video back in May wearing a black hooded outfit and a black gas mask as he smashed store windows with a sledgehammer and encouraged people to steal, according to a search warrant affidavit filed in court this week.
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Investigators said the suspect is associated with the Aryan Cowboys, which the warrant describes as a "known prison gang out of Minnesota and Kentucky." The Anti-Defamation League lists the Aryan Cowboys as a white supremacist prison and street gang, although the group's Facebook page claims it doesn't care "about a person's color."
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I really think the risk is way more than the reward for a government to engage in this. There would have to be at least a handful of people that would be in on this. If anyone came forward with proof, it would leave a horrible stain. Not worth it.
Insein
Footballguy
How so? Paint political opponents as extreme radicals to justify seizing more power and the only risk you take is independent media calling you out on it. They control the state media who just happily repeats the story and as you've demonstrated, regular folks don't want to believe their government is capable of horrible things despite all the times they've done it before.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I prefer proof before I start throwing out conspiracy theories. I honestly believe there was fringe elements (not the majority) in the trucker convoy, and I don't think the government needs to plant anyone in there.Insein said:
Just as BLM protests attracted some looters and people that were taking advantage of the situation, the convoy protest also attracted some fringe groups that were probably not welcome.
I think it's one thing to argue that the media overhyped these things that were under .1% of the protest, but it is completely another thing to say they were planted in there.
Insein
Footballguy
Not that you'll consider this significant but here's some coincidental evidence. Also helps that the flags were never near the protestors themselves. Only seen in this one photo.
https://twitter.com/CPT_Convincey/status/1495306260496801793?t=ork-5d1O7cGOag4HuY5tXQ&s=19
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The nazi flag was there way before they brought in RCMP from outside (like 2 weeks). That is conspiracy theory level evidence there.
And that hotel is like right there so makes sense. Not like they were staying at the Holiday Inn on the edge of the city.
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Thank God. I'm not as flexible as I once was and I was really worried about learning the goose step.
Insein
Footballguy
Not willingly. He saw the writing on the wall in the Senate debate and saved face (and a possible confidence vote triggering an election) by ending the emergency before they voted.
Thank goodness the checks and balances worked. Next time I hope they can be held off again.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
100% agree. He was going to lose the Senate vote. It is too bad because Canadians needed to see him lose that vote as a point of proof that this was not needed and was a power grab.
The General
Footballguy
Another way to look at this is the Canadians were able to get the truckers off the bridges, out of the neighborhoods, etc and they didn't need the powers any more.
Nope. I’m saying it makes no sense for the Government to mandate their usage. Mandating masks outside on a mountain in the winter makes no sense.
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Chaz McNulty
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I think once he paid off the team of hackers he had working to uncover all the donators, as well as paying all the fake nationalists that he had parade around in nazi garb, he realized he didn't need the emergency act anymore.
He probably held out on ending it earlier as he was hoping to get a shout-out from Trump for a brilliant move in invoking the act.
Insein said:
So you're saying that the Senate, who was mostly appointed by Trudeau, was going to vote against him. That seems contradictory to your previous statement.
I doubt the Senate would have voted against him. They often push back in questioning, but it would be quite extraordinary for them to vote against the government in a vote with this importance.
They have been much more independent minded since Trudeau kicked all the liberal senators out of the liberal caucus and appointed "independent" senators. There was some question that they would vote against the bill to legalize cannabis unless their amendments were accepted but ended up voting for it without all their amendments.
That being said, this is definitely something where it would be good to actually show "sober second thought".
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massraider
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Hi! I'm here for the fascist state?
Insein
Footballguy
I don't claim to know the ins and outs of how every Canadian politician was elected. From what is being said though, the Senate was going to lean towards a no or at the very least it was too close to call. Trudeau would not want to have the look of being overruled. Whether he decided or was advised to end the emergency, this was definitely a political move.
They found out what they needed to. They can use the emergency act with a lot of the Canadian population going along with it.
I definitely think the Senate influenced his decision to rescind. But I doubt they would have voted against him. It was hard to continue to justify since there are no longer any occupations or blockades. Quick math says that 21 senators appointed by Liberal PMs would have had to vote against him.
Eta: Pundits are gonna speculate, but they are wrong at least half the time. Me. I'm only wrong 50% of the time.
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The General
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Did we ever find out if the lady from BC who got her account frozen was real?
That sounded made up.
That sounded made up.
chet
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I watched this PM’s Twitter feed for a bit and he tried to act like he wouldn’t get into it anymore because he felt it wasn’t fair to “Brienne” because people on the internet are bad
Next tweets were all rantish posts about Canadian government.
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parasaurolophus
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Umbrella man as an agent provocateur was a hoax. That all came from one liberal police officer that fell for an anonymous tip. Or knew it was false but wanted to further it.squistion said:
No arrest. No charges, Nothing further on that story. The press literally did zero due diligence and just printed rumor because they liked the story. Not surprised that you fell for it.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Target was already half empty, but somehow this guy started it all, lol.
FairWarning
Footballguy
The actions of the press have regressed for 25 years now. Beat everyone to a story without researching it, do a retraction if need be later.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Strongly disagree. Trump, or the next Trump-aligned president will definitely remember this.
Insein
Footballguy
I meant as far as the news cycle goes and regular people. It may come up again like "Hey remember that time Canada almost became a dictatorship."
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I think he may have been referring to the possibility of Trump trying to enact and use these powers. But I could be wrong.
Insein
Footballguy
US has more in the way to prevent this. Plus if he didn't enact these powers during 2020 riots, when would be ever do it?
-fish-
Footballguy
His spin isn't exactly true. The stories that were published as to "umbrella man's" identity were based on an affidavit supporting a search warrant issued by a judge. The police may have gotten the wrong guy or come up empty, but as far as a hoax or liberal conspiracy? Nonsense. The news reports were that the police were executing a search warrant, and a description of the person in the warrant. That was all accurate.
An example of the local reporting, which was picked up nationally:
This sure seems like an accurate statement by the press, with a description of their attempts to verify the police account and a disclaimer that it wasn't.
Insein
Footballguy
Whoops. Looks like Ottawa didn't get the memo that the EA was revoked.
Ottawa Police continue to have Checkpoints around the city.
Ottawa Police continue to have Checkpoints around the city.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city,” Erika Christensen wrote in the search warrant.
This statement was false. By the time umbrella man breaks the windows the police are already firing tear gas and target is already half empty.
The press would have easily known that. The warrant was based off of a "tipster" and was one of many tips that came in about this guy.
They were all obviously false.
This one was particularly bad because the tipster admitted she had no direct knowledge of the subject, instead was just relaying what an unnamed person told her. Police never even spoke to the person making the claim.
There was a concerted liberal effort to blame outside agents for the riots. The governor made the false claim that 80% of the rioters were from out of state even though he knew that 85% of the arrests at the time were residents.
The press loves to use the phrase "according to police." Even though 9 times out of ten that statement actually means according to what witnesses/victims told the police.
Insein
Footballguy
Parliament's $100B small business relief program mostly went to large corporations: Report
"The $100 billion pandemic relief program went awry, according to Statistics Canada data disclosed earlier this week. Large corporations were three times as likely as small business to receive the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, Blacklocks reported.
“Smallest businesses have the lowest usage rates,” said a Statistics Canada report. “Less capital intensive small businesses may have lower fixed costs than more capital intensive larger businesses.”
“Thus it may be better for the smallest businesses to close rather than to continue operating,” said the report on The Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy Program And Business Survival And Growth During The Covid-19 Pandemic In Canada."
"The $100 billion pandemic relief program went awry, according to Statistics Canada data disclosed earlier this week. Large corporations were three times as likely as small business to receive the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy, Blacklocks reported.
“Smallest businesses have the lowest usage rates,” said a Statistics Canada report. “Less capital intensive small businesses may have lower fixed costs than more capital intensive larger businesses.”
“Thus it may be better for the smallest businesses to close rather than to continue operating,” said the report on The Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy Program And Business Survival And Growth During The Covid-19 Pandemic In Canada."
Sparky Big Time
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I cannot see that the effort they put forth has amounted to much. I think the world is already pulling back from the needless shutdowns and masking and such.
I doubt the Canadian government will care about the negative impacts they have had on the average person.
I get why they did this. I am on the fence about it. But at least they did not burn and loot.
I doubt the Canadian government will care about the negative impacts they have had on the average person.
I get why they did this. I am on the fence about it. But at least they did not burn and loot.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
They just overstayed I think, and this caused the majority of Canadians to have a negative view. You are correct that the world was already pulling back from mandates.
Insein
Footballguy
Convoy supporters' bank accounts still frozen
"An estimate by the Department of Finance said that as many as 210 accounts containing $7.8 million were affected by the freeze.
"If accounts are still frozen it would be outside the purview of the Emergencies Act," said Senator Wells. "Therefore we would expect some immediate action."
"An estimate by the Department of Finance said that as many as 210 accounts containing $7.8 million were affected by the freeze.
"If accounts are still frozen it would be outside the purview of the Emergencies Act," said Senator Wells. "Therefore we would expect some immediate action."
Insein
Footballguy
Tamara Lich Finally released on bail
"Tamara Lich, one of the organizers behind the Freedom Convoy, has won an appeal and will now be granted bail.
Initially taken into custody by police in Ottawa on the evening of Feb. 17, Lich has remained behind bars since. At a previous bail hearing on Feb. 22, Lich had her request for bail denied by Justice Julie Bourgeois, a former Liberal Party candidate who Lich accused of holding a political bias in the case.
Late week, Lich was back in front of a judge requesting a bail review, a hearing that was documented by Ottawa-based lawyer David Anber.
Today, a judge reversed the original decision and granted Lich bail."
"Lich will be required to leave Ottawa within 24 hours, to be out of Ontario within 72 hours, alongside orders to stay off of social media, not protest against COVID policies and to have no contact with any of the co-accused."
This is why having the first amendment is so important.
"Tamara Lich, one of the organizers behind the Freedom Convoy, has won an appeal and will now be granted bail.
Initially taken into custody by police in Ottawa on the evening of Feb. 17, Lich has remained behind bars since. At a previous bail hearing on Feb. 22, Lich had her request for bail denied by Justice Julie Bourgeois, a former Liberal Party candidate who Lich accused of holding a political bias in the case.
Late week, Lich was back in front of a judge requesting a bail review, a hearing that was documented by Ottawa-based lawyer David Anber.
Today, a judge reversed the original decision and granted Lich bail."
"Lich will be required to leave Ottawa within 24 hours, to be out of Ontario within 72 hours, alongside orders to stay off of social media, not protest against COVID policies and to have no contact with any of the co-accused."
This is why having the first amendment is so important.
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