Cleveland Browns (8 Viewers)

[barackdhouse]

Assuming those teams don't trade to 2 or 3. I don't know that Buffalo will need a QB at 4. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Some of this stupid money being thrown around for half assed WRs and people complain about Landry, 

Much rather have Landry at 15 million a year over a guy like Ryan Grant for 8 million a year.  I guess we could have two half assed WRs for the price of Landry.  

 

[MAC_32]

Some of this stupid money being thrown around for half assed WRs and people complain about Landry, 

Much rather have Landry at 15 million a year over a guy like Ryan Grant for 8 million a year.  I guess we could have two half assed WRs for the price of Landry.  

All the more reason to draft your wide receivers. 

 

[ghostguy123]

All the more reason to draft your wide receivers. 

Well, pretend we drafted Landry 4 years ago.  This is his 2nd contract.

 

[beer 30]

Well, pretend we drafted Landry 4 years ago.  This is his 2nd contract.

Pretend we drafted ANY WR in the last decade aside from Josh Gordan.

We should collectively punch Ray Farmer in the face.

"I would say 'how important are those guys?'" Farmer told WKRK-FM in Cleveland, per The Plain Dealer. "Name the last big-time receiver to win a Super Bowl. Name the last mega-guy. (Gordon) matters to me because I like the guy and I think he's a really good player, but at the end of the day, when you look at the teams that have these mega-receivers, name the last guy that won a Super Bowl?... There are none. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. (Terrell Owens)."

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretend we drafted ANY WR in the last decade aside from Josh Gordan.

We should collectively punch Ray Farmer in the face.

"I would say 'how important are those guys?'" Farmer told WKRK-FM in Cleveland, per The Plain Dealer. "Name the last big-time receiver to win a Super Bowl. Name the last mega-guy. (Gordon) matters to me because I like the guy and I think he's a really good player, but at the end of the day, when you look at the teams that have these mega-receivers, name the last guy that won a Super Bowl?... There are none. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. (Terrell Owens)."

I cant figure out what you are trying to say here

 

[Soulfly3]

Not in Camp Trade Down, at all. 

We can walk away w any combo of saquon, Mayfield/darnold, chubb. 

You do it. You just do it. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Not in Camp Trade Down, at all. 

We can walk away w any combo of saquon, Mayfield/darnold, chubb. 

You do it. You just do it. 

Just need to see the offer. I cant say without knowing the offer

 

[amnesiac]

my guess is Darnold + trade down

 

[ghostguy123]

my guess is Darnold + trade down

QB + trade down, my guess.  With Buffalo for 12, a 2nd, and 2019 1st

 

[beer 30]

I cant figure out what you are trying to say here

More lamenting our ignoring the position for forever. You mentioned Landry is on his 2nd contract, I’m assuming we passed on him at some point.

Not in Camp Trade Down, at all. 

We can walk away w any combo of saquon, Mayfield/darnold, chubb. 

You do it. You just do it. 

   #justsaynotothetradedown

 

[ghostguy123]

More lamenting our ignoring the position for forever. You mentioned Landry is on his 2nd contract, I’m assuming we passed on him at some point.

   #justsaynotothetradedown

So if we draft a QB at 1, and then Barkley and Chubb go 2-3, then.........................

And if we dont take QB at 1, and mayfield and darnold go 2-3, then.....................are we gonna take Barkely and Chubb and not draft a QB??  Thats a fine play if we signed Cousins.

 

[mr fancypants]

All the more reason to draft your wide receivers. 

And your running backs.

 

[ghostguy123]

And your running backs.

And everything else. 

Though seems like if we can keep signing lineman, we shouldnt draft lineman

Lineman dont need to put up stats to get a follow up contract, so a team like our can actually attract lineman

 

[BassNBrew]

QB + trade down, my guess.  With Buffalo for 12, a 2nd, and 2019 1st

Pick value calculator says the 12th and 2nd are more than enough.  The only way that additional first is coming is if a team's top prospect is on the board and they think they are getting 1.1 talent.  For all the reasons people are saying Cleveland has to go QB at 1.1, you don't give up the farm for whoever's leftover.

The other issue is that there are 5 round one QBs.  That's a pretty high number, especially when there isn't a standout.  If the Browns are smart they add two franchise players right now.

 

[mr fancypants]

15, 47, 2019 1st from the Cards..............there we go 

That could be of some interest.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pick value calculator says the 12th and 2nd are more than enough.  The only way that additional first is coming is if a team's top prospect is on the board and they think they are getting 1.1 talent.  For all the reasons people are saying Cleveland has to go QB at 1.1, you don't give up the farm for whoever's leftover.

The other issue is that there are 5 round one QBs.  That's a pretty high number, especially when there isn't a standout.  If the Browns are smart they add two franchise players right now.

12 and a 2nd??  No, that doesnt ad up to 4.  And even if it did, no way.  Pick 12 and a pick in the 50s to move up to 4?

 

[BassNBrew]

So if we draft a QB at 1, and then Barkley and Chubb go 2-3, then.........................

And if we dont take QB at 1, and mayfield and darnold go 2-3, then.....................are we gonna take Barkely and Chubb and not draft a QB??  Thats a fine play if we signed Cousins.

What if Rosen is the highest on the Browns board?

In you're first scenario, you're f-ed, which is probably a good reason to trade up with the Colts right now.

 

[Bobcat10]

No QB at 1 and 4...use 33 and 35 to move back in.  What do those picks add up to on the abacus?   

 

[ghostguy123]

What if Rosen is the highest on the Browns board?

In you're first scenario, you're f-ed, which is probably a good reason to trade up with the Colts right now.

The first scenario is golden for a trade down.  

 

[ghostguy123]

No QB at 1 and 4...use 33 and 35 to move back in.  What do those picks add up to on the abacus?   

33, 35, and 64 add up to around 8

 

[ghostguy123]

What if Rosen is the highest on the Browns board?

In you're first scenario, you're f-ed, which is probably a good reason to trade up with the Colts right now.

If Rosen is the highest on their board then they should draft Rosen at 1

 

[BassNBrew]

No QB at 1 and 4...use 33 and 35 to move back in.  What do those picks add up to on the abacus?   

Pick 13 to 14 range.

 

[BassNBrew]

What if Rosen is the highest on the Browns board?

In you're first scenario, you're f-ed, which is probably a good reason to trade up with the Colts right now.

The first scenario is golden for a trade down.  

Actually it's not because there a 2-3 QBs left.

 

[BassNBrew]

12 and a 2nd??  No, that doesnt ad up to 4.  And even if it did, no way.  Pick 12 and a pick in the 50s to move up to 4?

Your right.  But the 2019 1st swings it hard the other direction.

 

[ghostguy123]

Actually it's not because there a 2-3 QBs left.

Right, cause every GM views them all the same.  I forgot

 

[mr fancypants]

Still thinking that there could be a contingent trade in the works with Buffalo and that the TT trade was part 1.

Part 2 would be the trade for the #4 pick for Buffalo's  2 1st's plus possibly recouping the 3rd sent in the initial trade.

Browns could then pick up a stud CB (Ward or Jackson) and JT's eventual replacement at Left OT (Brown or McGlinchey)

in the 1st round

 

[mr fancypants]

12 and a 2nd??  No, that doesnt ad up to 4.  And even if it did, no way.  Pick 12 and a pick in the 50s to move up to 4?

Yup, especially when QB's are concerned.

 

[BassNBrew]

For reference QB grades

Darold 7

Trubisky 6.3

Rosen 6.1

Watson/Mayfield/Allen 6.0

Mahommes/Jackson 5.9

Kizer 5.8

Falk/Rudolph /White 5.5-5.6

Barkley 7.4 

 

[ghostguy123]

Will say again.  If we plan to draft a QB high, and we take a RB at 1 and a QB at 4, I want everyone fired for blatant incompetence.

 

[Hankmoody]

So if Joe retires, his entire 13 million would be added to our cap space right?

No.  Only guaranteed salary or remaining signing bonus allocation is dead money.  Thomas has neither.

 

[ghostguy123]

No.  Only guaranteed salary or remaining signing bonus allocation is dead money.  Thomas has neither.

Cap space......not cap hit.

 

[Hankmoody]

Cap space......not cap hit.

My bad.  Yes, the Salary Cap is calculated by the top 51 guys on the roster.  Once he files papers his salary is no longer included in the calculations.

 

[ghostguy123]

My bad.  Yes, the cap space is calculated by the top 51 guys on the roster.  Once he files papers it's reduced.

Bittersweet if it helps get us Solder.  

We really should pay through the nose for that guy

 

[beer 30]

So if we draft a QB at 1, and then Barkley and Chubb go 2-3, then.........................

And if we dont take QB at 1, and mayfield and darnold go 2-3, then.....................are we gonna take Barkely and Chubb and not draft a QB??  Thats a fine play if we signed Cousins.

Minka Fitzpatrick

If you take Barkley at 1 & Mayfield/Darnold go next, take Josh Rosen

Dont make it harder than it needs to be.

 

[MAC_32]

Pick value calculator says the 12th and 2nd are more than enough.  The only way that additional first is coming is if a team's top prospect is on the board and they think they are getting 1.1 talent.  For all the reasons people are saying Cleveland has to go QB at 1.1, you don't give up the farm for whoever's leftover.

The other issue is that there are 5 round one QBs.  That's a pretty high number, especially when there isn't a standout.  If the Browns are smart they add two franchise players right now.

Trade calculator doesn't mean much in the wonderful world of quarterbacks. If one is there the Bills covet then talks start at two one's. 

 

[Soulfly3]

Just don't move down.

We need studs. There are studs available. Take the studs.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just don't move down.

We need studs. There are studs available. Take the studs.

You mean with the pick we acquired in a.......trade down?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some of this stupid money being thrown around for half assed WRs and people complain about Landry, 

Much rather have Landry at 15 million a year over a guy like Ryan Grant for 8 million a year.  I guess we could have two half assed WRs for the price of Landry.  

####### Miami traded Landry and then signed Albert Wilson and Danny Amendola for nearly the money Landry would have cost them.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Carlos Hyde to sign with Cleveland !

 

[pantherclub]

Carlos Hyde to sign with Cleveland !

If true then pick Chubb at 1 and you at least have your pick of the top qbs -1.   Thats a solid roster and a cheap defense for a few years and certainly something to build on and good for a young qb.

 

[ghostguy123]

If true then pick Chubb at 1 and you at least have your pick of the top qbs -1.   Thats a solid roster and a cheap defense for a few years and certainly something to build on and good for a young qb.

Awful

 

[JoeSteeler]

Carlos Hyde to sign with Cleveland !

3 yrs $15M

 

[pantherclub]

Awful

can you expand on that?  Awful for chubb or a qb?

Chubb is an absolute animal.  IMO he helps far more than Barkley.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Browns are doing good work this offseason. I’m not a huge Tyrod Taylor fan but even with him starting I see a second place finish in the North.

 

[Sir Psycho]

So, do the Browns pick a RB in the first ?

 

[Snorkelson]

Probably not after signing hyde.

 

[ghostguy123]

can you expand on that?  Awful for chubb or a qb?

Chubb is an absolute animal.  IMO he helps far more than Barkley.

Been explained 100 times already why if u plan to draft a QB at 4 the whole staff should be fired.

 

[pantherclub]

Been explained 100 times already why if u plan to draft a QB at 4 the whole staff should be fired.

Uh, yeah, no.  You get one of the top players in the draft in chubb.

Say Barkley goes to NY, Indy trades down someone picks say Darnold and then you have your pick of the rest.  The Bills could be enamored with someone else so you could still end up with Barkley. 

I think its dumb to take him #1, then Barkely goes, then Chubb and then you are into the next tier of players.  Micah would be nice but he doesnt completely change a defense as much as pairing chubb with Miles

 

[Godsbrother]

Browns are doing good work this offseason. I’m not a huge Tyrod Taylor fan but even with him starting I see a second place finish in the North.

Agreed.  The Browns are definitely a team on the rise.

Hyde is no LeVeon Bell but I was hoping the Steelers would have let Bell go to FA and sign Hyde to the cap friendly figure the Browns did and use the rest of the cash to bolster the defense.