Music Draft - Rolling Stone Greatest 500 Songs Garbage List - Now with unhealthy regional pork-stuffs! (1 Viewer)

[Uruk-Hai]

So does a cover not deserve to be on lists like this?

Of course they do. Covers have been the lifeblood of music since people learned how to make it.

I doubt we'd have rock & roll in any form without them. 

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I mean, RS made a "cover" the number one song on the list.  

 

[rockaction]

Round 18.07 - Eminem - Stan (223) - 2000

 

[rockaction]

Sorry about that. Just woke up from a physically terrible night. Oof.

 

[Manster]

I mean, RS made a "cover" the number one song on the list.  

Yea I don't pretend to know all the originals vs covers, but if that's the case why would they pick the Van Zandt version of Pancho and Lefty?  

 

[cosjobs]

This gets cloudy though when you talk about sampling, or versions that are slightly different.......ie Fugees killing me softly....hell Roberta flack wasn't even the original on this one.   Plus there tons of songs out there that are written by one person sang by others.....it's rampant in pop music where the goal is often times to write a catchy hit to make money.

And I maintain that Haggard/Nelson's Pancho and Lefty is better than Van Zandts.....obviously has been the more known version over the years as well.

So does a cover not deserve to be on lists like this?

Imo your only point that would sway me is :

Plus there tons of songs out there that are written by one person sang by others..

Buy stating singer/songwriter of the song, I think

As far as this draft /RS list, any recorded song is fair game imo

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Round 18.07 - Eminem - Stan (223) - 2000

Thank you for taking that so I didn't have to! 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I'll be offline until sometime this evening. Skip me until then. 

 

[cosjobs]

Yea I don't pretend to know all the originals vs covers, but if that's the case why would they pick the Van Zandt version of Pancho and Lefty?  

Because they thought it was good enough to be in the top 500 and there is disagreement on whose singing was better and I'm sure they gave him extra consideration since he penned it.

 

[Northern Voice]

Sorry, I've been driving all day. Give me All Too Well by Taylor Swift

 

[Manster]

Because they thought it was good enough to be in the top 500 and there is disagreement on whose singing was better and I'm sure they gave him extra consideration since he penned it.

Fair enough

 

[Yo Mama]

@simey

 

[Steve Tasker]

4.02 - Whitney Houston - "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" (#231)

In this house, we stan Whitney.  There are several fantastic options in this list.  But this song will forever be my favorite.  

A pretty stark departure from Mobb Deep at my turn picks here.  But I got the 4 must-haves that I had identified on my initial run-through of the list, so I'm pleased.

Round 18.07 - Eminem - Stan (223) - 2000

I've been waiting for someone to draft this one.  I can't pretend to be the biggest fan of the song itself, though it's not bad.  However, I think it's amazing that this song has had such a cultural impact to actually become a long-lasting slang term.  I unintentionally used it in my Whitney pick, and it looks like @Ramsay Hunt Experience used it once upthread as well.

This song title has quite literally become a common verb in public parlance.  I bet if you asked people where the term "stan" came from, 90% would have no idea it's from an Eminem song....but this uniqueness really speaks to the overall impact of this song.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

In popular music, a cover version, cover song, remake, revival, or simply cover, is a new performance or recording by a musician other than the original performer or composer of the song.

The word "or" is key here. I don't think we can call it a cover song when it's performed by the songwriter.

 

[Yo Mama]

I've been waiting for someone to draft this one.  I can't pretend to be the biggest fan of the song itself, though it's not bad.  However, I think it's amazing that this song has had such a cultural impact to actually become a long-lasting slang term.  I unintentionally used it in my Whitney pick, and it looks like @Ramsay Hunt Experience used it once upthread as well.

This song title has quite literally become a common verb in public parlance.  I bet if you asked people where the term "stan" came from, 90% would have no idea it's from an Eminem song....but this uniqueness really speaks to the overall impact of this song.

No idea that’s where the term came from. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

No idea that’s where the term came from. 

+1

 

[Manster]

I've been waiting for someone to draft this one.  I can't pretend to be the biggest fan of the song itself, though it's not bad.  However, I think it's amazing that this song has had such a cultural impact to actually become a long-lasting slang term.  I unintentionally used it in my Whitney pick, and it looks like @Ramsay Hunt Experience used it once upthread as well.

This song title has quite literally become a common verb in public parlance.  I bet if you asked people where the term "stan" came from, 90% would have no idea it's from an Eminem song....but this uniqueness really speaks to the overall impact of this song.

What percentage would have no clue that Stan was anything other than a dudes name?

 

[cosjobs]

@fatguyinalittlecoat

Krista can't access the FFA. She asked me to @ you. She also sent me your picks if you need me to make them for you, 

 

[simey]

Yea I don't pretend to know all the originals vs covers, but if that's the case why would they pick the Van Zandt version of Pancho and Lefty?  

I would pick it too, because I think it's the best version to represent the song. I do like Willie and Merle's cover, but it's more uplifting and polished than the original, and I don't think the story is uplifting. It's a bare bones story of one partner selling the other out. At least that is what I've always taken from the song. Townes had a sadness in his voice, and it fit his storytelling.  There are covers that I think are better than the original, but this song I like best by its author. 

 

[cosjobs]

No idea that’s where the term came from. 

I don't even know what the term means. Please use it ina sentence

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

No idea that’s where the term came from. 

It blew my mind when I learned it a few years ago.  And I had probably said I "Stanned" something plenty of times before I read about the origin on Twitter.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I don't even know what the term means. Please use it ina sentence

It means to be a big fan of something. 

"Everyone knows that Ramsay stans Karim Benzema."

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I've been waiting for someone to draft this one.  I can't pretend to be the biggest fan of the song itself, though it's not bad.  However, I think it's amazing that this song has had such a cultural impact to actually become a long-lasting slang term.  I unintentionally used it in my Whitney pick, and it looks like @Ramsay Hunt Experience used it once upthread as well.

This song title has quite literally become a common verb in public parlance.  I bet if you asked people where the term "stan" came from, 90% would have no idea it's from an Eminem song....but this uniqueness really speaks to the overall impact of this song.

I know the song but not the slang term.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I’ll take Oasis Wonderwall

 

[cosjobs]

It means to be a big fan of something. 

"Everyone knows that Ramsay stans Karim Benzema."

Thanks.

All I could come up with is an abbreviation or slang for understands

 

[simey]

It seems like this song is just sitting there waiting for me, but it is throwing a challenge at me by being #99.  9 is my bad luck number for those that don't know.  I'm going for it.     <-- for myself to counteract the number. 

Round 18

Stayin' Alive - Bee Gees (# ninety nine) 

 

[Doug B]

Is "Stan" about a generic stalker/fan type of person? Or is "Stan" about a person named Stan who happens to be a stalker? Do Eminem's lyrics specify that "Stan" is a mashup of "stalker" and "fan"?

 

[Steve Tasker]

It means to be a big fan of something. 

"Everyone knows that Ramsay stans Karim Benzema."

For context, the song "Stan" is about an obsessive Eminem superfan named Stan who becomes a pen pal with Eminem.  The underlying theme is that the fan is obsessively in love with Eminem. 

Once Eminem gets too popular and stops responding, Stan goes off the deep end and ends up committing a murder-suicide, killing himself and his pregnant girlfriend.  

Eminem writes a final pen pal response, apologizing for being too busy to respond, only to discover as he finishes writing that the gruesome news story he read was actually his superfan Stan.

It's a very, very dark song.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Is "Stan" about a generic stalker/fan type of person? Or is "Stan" about a person named Stan who happens to be a stalker? Do Eminem's lyrics specify that "Stan" is a mashup of "stalker" and "fan"?

I just commented above for some context, before seeing this post.

 

[simey]

Fatguy jumped me, @the moops is on skip

@Manster is up

 

[cosjobs]

It seems like this song is just sitting there waiting for me, but it is throwing a challenge at me by being #99.  9 is my bad luck number for those that don't know.  I'm going for it.     <-- for myself to counteract the number. 

Round 18

Stayin' Alive - Bee Gees (# ninety nine) 

Here are 9 examples that show how the number nine looms large in The Beatles’ legend:

1. John Lennon was born on Oct. 9, 1940. The first home John lived in was at 9 Newcastle Road in Wavertree, Liverpool. The words “Newcastle,” “Wavertree” and “Liverpool” each contain nine letters.

“It’s just a number that follows me around, but, numerologically, apparently I’m a number six or a three or something, but it’s all part of nine.” – John Lennon, 1980

2. As a teenager, John took the No. 72 bus (7 + 2 = 9) to Liverpool Art College, where he became friends with Stuart Sutcliffe. He soon asked Sutcliffe to join his band, The Quarrymen, which featured Paul McCartney, whose last name has nine letters, as does Sutcliffe’s. The group changed their name to The Beatles in 1960, and John left in 1969, nine years later.

3. The Beatles’ first appearance at The Cavern Club was on Feb. 9, 1961. The band’s manager, Brian Epstein, first saw them perform there on Nov. 9, 1961. He secured a record contract for the group with EMI on May 9, 1962.

4. One of The Beatles’ earliest songs was One After 909. It was originally recorded in March 1963 (that version was released on the Anthology 1 album) and ultimately was re-recorded for Let It Be, the last album released by the band in May 1970.

5. The Beatles’ historic first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show took place on Feb. 9, 1964.

6. The most significant use of the number occurs in Lennon’s song Revolution 9, from The White Album, which features a series of tape loops including one with a recurring ‘Number Nine’ announcement.

“I didn’t realize it: it was just so funny the voice saying, ‘number nine’; it was like a joke, bringing number nine into it all the time, that’s all it was.”  – John Lennon, 1970 Rolling Stone interview

7. Lennon’s song #9 Dream was released in 1974 on Walls and Bridges, his ninth non-Beatles album, and was issued in the ninth month of the year. When released as a single, #9 Dream peaked at No. 9 on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart in the US. The refrain in the chorus – ‘Ah! Böwakawa poussé, poussé’ – features nine syllables.

8. There are nine ‘o’s in the combined names of John Ono Lennon and Yoko Ono Lennon. Their son, Sean Lennon, was born on Oct. 9, 1975. (John’s 35th birthday)

9. The long-awaited digital remasters of The Beatles’ albums, along with the group’s Rock Band video game, were released on Sept. 9, 2009. That’s 09-09-09.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Fatguy jumped me,

 

[simey]

Here are 9 examples that show how the number nine looms large in The Beatles’ legend:

1. John Lennon was born on Oct. 9, 1940. The first home John lived in was at 9 Newcastle Road in Wavertree, Liverpool. The words “Newcastle,” “Wavertree” and “Liverpool” each contain nine letters.

“It’s just a number that follows me around, but, numerologically, apparently I’m a number six or a three or something, but it’s all part of nine.” – John Lennon, 1980

2. As a teenager, John took the No. 72 bus (7 + 2 = 9) to Liverpool Art College, where he became friends with Stuart Sutcliffe. He soon asked Sutcliffe to join his band, The Quarrymen, which featured Paul McCartney, whose last name has nine letters, as does Sutcliffe’s. The group changed their name to The Beatles in 1960, and John left in 1969, nine years later.

3. The Beatles’ first appearance at The Cavern Club was on Feb. 9, 1961. The band’s manager, Brian Epstein, first saw them perform there on Nov. 9, 1961. He secured a record contract for the group with EMI on May 9, 1962.

4. One of The Beatles’ earliest songs was One After 909. It was originally recorded in March 1963 (that version was released on the Anthology 1 album) and ultimately was re-recorded for Let It Be, the last album released by the band in May 1970.

5. The Beatles’ historic first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show took place on Feb. 9, 1964.

6. The most significant use of the number occurs in Lennon’s song Revolution 9, from The White Album, which features a series of tape loops including one with a recurring ‘Number Nine’ announcement.

“I didn’t realize it: it was just so funny the voice saying, ‘number nine’; it was like a joke, bringing number nine into it all the time, that’s all it was.”  – John Lennon, 1970 Rolling Stone interview

7. Lennon’s song #9 Dream was released in 1974 on Walls and Bridges, his ninth non-Beatles album, and was issued in the ninth month of the year. When released as a single, #9 Dream peaked at No. 9 on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart in the US. The refrain in the chorus – ‘Ah! Böwakawa poussé, poussé’ – features nine syllables.

8. There are nine ‘o’s in the combined names of John Ono Lennon and Yoko Ono Lennon. Their son, Sean Lennon, was born on Oct. 9, 1975. (John’s 35th birthday)

9. The long-awaited digital remasters of The Beatles’ albums, along with the group’s Rock Band video game, were released on Sept. 9, 2009. That’s 09-09-09.

Yikes. The Beatles are my favorite band.

 

[Doug B]

Hmmm ... so the "Stan" = "stalker" + "fan" thing isn't true? I have read that explanation a ton of times, and have never seen it associated with Eminem's song  

Did "Stan" meaning "obsessed fan" predate the song?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Hmmm ... so the "Stan" = "stalker" + "fan" thing isn't true? I have read that explanation a ton of times, and have never seen it associated with Eminem's song  

Did "Stan" meaning "obsessed fan" predate the song?

It is true.  That term is from the Eminem song.  The meaning has morphed slightly over time, much the way the word"factoid" has.

 

[El Floppo]

I’ll take Oasis Wonderwall

It seems like this song is just sitting there waiting for me, but it is throwing a challenge at me by being #99.  9 is my bad luck number for those that don't know.  I'm going for it.     <-- for myself to counteract the number. 

Round 18

Stayin' Alive - Bee Gees (# ninety nine) 

this is how I know I did this draft wrong... these are both solid to great songs, still available to those in the know... those given the secret pass-code to Sheet 3.

 

[Doug B]

Wait -- "Stan" has Dido's "Thank You" interspersed throughout the whole song? I never knew "Stan" by title. I never saw the video before just now, either.

I knew Dido and Eminem did a song together, but didn't know THAT song was "Stan".

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Getting to the end of the draft and I haven’t called Manster “Manwich” yet.  Big upset. 

 

[El Floppo]

Getting to the end of the draft and I haven’t called Manster “Manwich” yet.  Big upset. 

still time for The Manster too.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

this is how I know I did this draft wrong... these are both solid to great songs, still available to those in the know... those given the secret pass-code to Sheet 3.

Everyone seemed to let 76-100 go because it was pretty deep. 

 

[cosjobs]

I’ll take Oasis Wonderwall

correct. That's what my list said

 

[Eephus]

It is true.  That term is from the Eminem song.  The meaning has morphed slightly over time, much the way the word"factoid" has.

Stan can also be used either as a noun or a verb, e.g. Ditkaburgers is a 1D stan or Ditkaburgers stans One Direction.

 

[cosjobs]

Stan can also be used either as a noun or a verb, e.g. Ditkaburgers is a 1D stan or Ditkaburgers stans One Direction.

sounds made up

 

[Eephus]

@krista4

I listened to Ringo's new record today.  The first song is built around the drum fill from Rain and it closes with a swinging cover of Rock Around the Clock.

A 13 minute four-song EP is the perfect length for a project like this. It has too many background singers for my taste but how can you criticize Ringo?  His voice and drumming are unmistakable as is his happy hippy sentimentality.

 

[Eephus]

sounds made up

Try using it in conversation. You'll sound 4% cooler.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hmmm ... so the "Stan" = "stalker" + "fan" thing isn't true? I have read that explanation a ton of times, and have never seen it associated with Eminem's song  

Did "Stan" meaning "obsessed fan" predate the song?

No, the Em song and first. The question is did Em intend it to be portmanteau or not? Given his lyrical gifts, I would say yes he did.

 

[Ilov80s]

Skip me if I come up, headed out for martinis, dinner and No Time to Die.

 

[rockaction]

I hate to be that guy, but I knew of both term and origin right away when it started being used because I'm an Eminem fan (not stan -- I do not stan Eminem, in fact, I can barely stand him).

 

[rockaction]

Hit me back
Just to chat
Your biggest fan
This is Stan

 

[Yo Mama]

Mansterdam is about to time out and I have a meeting to run to. He doesn’t need anything in the categories I need anyway, plus I doubt he’d take this even if he did.
 

Yo Mama chooses the sit down for lunch option and selects:

#96 - 99 Problems - Jay-Z

Simey’s least favorite song (or tied with the song about all those balloons).