Official "If You Think The Patriots Deserve An Asterisk" Thr (1 Viewer)

[freelander]

the craziest thing about those situations when NE is deep in the other team's territory during 'run it up' time, is they almost approach 4th down as if it were 3rd down. They already understand theyll be going for it on 4th if they dont make it on 3rd. Its not a matter of will they or wont they. Its a matter of what play will it be. My point being, that if they approached the 4th down situation like alot of teams do, where theyd be kicking a FG or punting, theyd be more aggressive on 3rd down. In those late 'run it up' situations, theyll typically run on 2nd and 3rd down. Theyre putting in the work on the ground. But theyre just not going to run it all 3 or 4 downs. Its just not happening. Theyre keeping the chains moving and keeping their D off the field. And even funniner, and Madden pointed this out during the broadcast, is that as soon as the other team gets the ball back, its not as if theyre no longer trying to score. Buffalo still had its starters in passing the ball in a meaningless game, trying to score, risking injury to its own starters. As did Washington. As did Miami. And as has every other team NE has been running it up on. The opponent is taking the same risks with its own starters leaving them on the field during meaningless times in these games and still trying to score. The same times NE is getting hammered for risking injury to its own players. Washington was down 52-0 with its starting QB still in the game! Why? Because he's paid to play football.

I don't buy this argument in most situations. To me as a fan, even though there is no chance in hell my team is coming back to win, I want them to try their hardest. Taking the losing teams starters out and "giving-in" is more demoralizing to the losin team then a "disruption" to the winning team if they do the same IMO. I'd rather they get injured trying to win a game then get injured when the game is well in hand.

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

 

[jscout]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

Live with it? Damn right I'll live with it. In fact, I'm loving it?!?! Awwwwwww yeah! And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.There is no doubt in my mind that the Patriots are running up the score. There is also no doubt in my mind that along with one or maybe two other teams that they are THE class of the NFL this season.

 

[DropKick]

Will there be an official Patriots homer thread so they can all stay in there patting each other on the backs?

Anything the Pats do this year is 100% credible, or incredible if you've watched the games. Anything prior to this year is 100% debatable. My take is they don't deserve the recognition of a dynasty with all of the controversy...tuck rule, questionable officiating, CHEATING.

First year watching football?

 

[DropKick]

Passing the ball on 4th down when you're up by 4 TDs or more IS running up the score. Period. You run it there. Doesn't excuse the other team for not stopping them, but it is showing a lack of sportsmanship.

what you're suggesting is that they do exactly what the other team expects, or a staging of a play? Isn't that the epitome of poor sportsmanship? Don't the fans pay to see teams play every down? This is a commercial spectacle, like it of not. This isn't you and your pals playing a backyard game. Or the 4x defending HS state champion playing the winless team from the neighboring town. This is the NFL. This is the professional level. Let's contrast it w/ the professional business world. You can release a product you know will put your competition, who has been falling further and further behind you in the field, out of business. Do you not release your product, because it's unsportsmanlike? Of course not. You're in the professional ranks. You're PAID to play hard every down. You do so, or you're being unprofessional. This nonsense that nobody ever ran up the score until this year is just hilarious. Do you think the rest of us didn't see the NFFC win 13 SB's in a row, most of them by 30+ points. That doesn't happen on accident. I just can't get over football fans whining about millionaires losing by too much and calling it unsportsmanlike. What you should be whining about is your team quitting.

I guess the Broncos were UN-professional tonight when they ran the clock out with rushing calls with ONLY a 14 point lead in the 4th.The fans paid to see every down and they let us all down. Shanny's a real trend-setter with this running the clock out mess!!

You really don't see the game management aspect of keeping the ball? Sleeper? More like a coma!

 

[freelander]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

 

[DropKick]

The Patriots lack sportsmanship. I have never disliked a team more than I dislike the Patriots. And I am sure that if Favre were on the Patriots he would not stand for it. I hope they don't win the Superbowl. I hope no Patriot gets the MVP. And I hope this season is a black mark on the legacy of every Patriot play and coach. As far as Brady being the best QB ever, I don't believe it. He is very good, but any QB would look good with that O-Line. I have never seen a QB get the kind of protection Brady is getting. And while his numbers are staggering, he is padding his stats. That makes whatever records Brady sets this year an embarrassment rather than an accomplishment.

I don't know if this is accurate. to date, Brady has thrown 25 TD's in the first half, and 13 in the second half. Brady has thrown 2+ TD's in the first quarter 3x, in the second quarter 4x, 0x in the third, and one time in the 4th, but that was the colts game where the pats were actually down by more than a TD in the fourth. It should be pretty easy to see that the Pats have actually scaled things back in the second half - I don't know where the running up the score bit comes from.Is it really honest to accuse the Pats of running up the score when they have cut passing TD production in half during the second half? imagine if they really were running up the score, or at least scored at the same rate in the second half that they did in the first - Brady would have 50 TD's already.

Thank you for the rational and objective perspective. I've watched the NFL for over 35 years and there is nothing the Patriots are doing this season that is inconsistent with typical NFL behavior. The haters - and I do mean haters... look at the pathetic commentary from "Perfect Tommy" above - want to find a flaw so they see only what they want to see and disregard everything else. A pass attempt equates to running up the score or a 4th down conversion equates to running up the score... they completely miss the fact that NE is maintaining extended drives; working the clock and effectively shortening the game. Excellent game management that reminds me of the '72 Dolphins; a team that could hold the ball for 10 minutes at a time.

On Thanksgiving, with a 24 point lead, Tony Romo threw a TD to Owens with 6 minutes left. I have no problem with their play selection but I can only imagine the "outrage" if that is the Patriots... why is Romo in the game? why are they throwing the ball? etc. etc. I guess that's OK if you are a Cowboy fan or if Romo or Owens are on your fantasy team... but the hypocrisy kills me.

 

[DropKick]

Let's break down the complaints against the Patriots:3. The Patriots run up the score.The fact that this is sitll even argues amazes me. Not to repeat it endlessly, it is NOT running up the score by continuing to play hard. You do NOT need to take a knee, and you can keep your starters in well into the 4th quarter, if you want. But going for it on 4th and 2 when you're up 35-7 or 42-7 is proof that you're running up the score. Throwing deep on 1st down when you're up by 28 or more points is also proof, though admittedly more arguable.

The Colts converted a 4th down in the final minute the other night with a commanding lead. Were they running up the score or managing the game? Obviously, they believed they could convert and running out the clock was better for their team than punting and playing defense while Atlanta chucked the ball down the field 3 or 4 times - all scenarios that expose players to injury. Although this was very close to the end of the game, it is the same rational - game management - I would use to explain similar situations this season with the Patriots.An isolated deep ball to keep the defense "honest" could be justified, although repeated attempts wouldn't make much sense. NE does use the short passing game as a substitute for the run, as they have for years. It is a very effective strategy, especially given the injuries at RB.

 

[GrandpaRox]

I am thankful that I get to watch this team play to the level that they are playing week after week.

They are a marvel to watch and what you are seeing is history in the making.

When they show this team in 10, 20 30 years from now, a lot of young football fans will wish that they could have watched it unfold as it happened.

This is an opportunity to see something we may never see again and I am enjoying every minute of it.

If you are a football fan how can you not enjoy their execution of the game on the field?

Don't let your hate for a team, player or coach keep you from watching possibly the best football ever to be played.

I am by the way a Houston Texans and old Houston Oilers fan and yes I remember the playoff game where the Oilers were up 35-3 in the 3rd quarter and lost to the Bills. It ripped my heart out and I lost all interest in football for many years after that.

You have an opportunity to watch greatness as is unfolds and many of you are missing it.

Lose the hate and enjoy it for what it is.

 

[jscout]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

 

[Darth Cheney]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

We've suffered a wicked long time and now are finally getting a season worthy of the greatness of the New England region..... Haters......Don't hate.....Celebrate. As a longtime member of the Patriots Nation I have no problem with the current motives of the Pats. All the haters called down the thunder on Big Bill.....now he's paying it back in spades. Maybe next time the haters won't accuse people of cheating.

 

[nerangers]

Sirius Radio was talking about Spygate again; they figure it will be a big topic again once the season is over. It got me thinking about it again…

Let me start off with that I am not condoning the Patriots with regard to Spygate (Thanks BB), but am trying to put my own perspective on it, especially when the term Cheaters gets thrown out there.

I know many will put the Cheaters tag on the Pats for Spygate, but are they cheaters because they were trying to “steal signals”, or for the method they were using trying to get them? Teams try to “steal signals” all the time. It is the way the Pats were using video that is at the heart of the question. They broke the video taping rule, and punished accordingly. I doubt this has stopped any other Teams (including the Patriots) from still trying to “steal” defensive signals though.

There are still scouting teams out there, with binoculars, and note pads. Let us not try to fools ourselves to think it does not happen. Does the NFL have a rule that states no stealing of defensive signals? If they do, then many teams are just as guilty as the Pats.

This might not be the best example, but it is something I was thinking about while driving home. You have a posted speed limit, but many still drive faster than what is posted. Some just speed a few miles over the posted limit, but others go out of there way by using a radar detector. Both are still guilty though if caught. Many Teams would be guilty of trying to get defensive signals; the Patriots took it a technology step further (and were caught, and punished).

I propose that many teams in the league try to get defensive signals (to try to figure out what coverage the other team will play, when a blitz is coming, etc). Legal forms of spying though can get this information. Does that make them all cheaters?

 

[DropKick]

Sirius Radio was talking about Spygate again; they figure it will be a big topic again once the season is over. It got me thinking about it again…Let me start off with that I am not condoning the Patriots with regard to Spygate (Thanks BB), but am trying to put my own perspective on it, especially when the term Cheaters gets thrown out there.I know many will put the Cheaters tag on the Pats for Spygate, but are they cheaters because they were trying to “steal signals”, or for the method they were using trying to get them? Teams try to “steal signals” all the time. It is the way the Pats were using video that is at the heart of the question. They broke the video taping rule, and punished accordingly. I doubt this has stopped any other Teams (including the Patriots) from still trying to “steal” defensive signals though. There are still scouting teams out there, with binoculars, and note pads. Let us not try to fools ourselves to think it does not happen. Does the NFL have a rule that states no stealing of defensive signals? If they do, then many teams are just as guilty as the Pats.This might not be the best example, but it is something I was thinking about while driving home. You have a posted speed limit, but many still drive faster than what is posted. Some just speed a few miles over the posted limit, but others go out of there way by using a radar detector. Both are still guilty though if caught. Many Teams would be guilty of trying to get defensive signals; the Patriots took it a technology step further (and were caught, and punished).I propose that many teams in the league try to get defensive signals (to try to figure out what coverage the other team will play, when a blitz is coming, etc). Legal forms of spying though can get this information. Does that make them all cheaters?

To answer your question, it is the method in question. One thing we don't have a handle on is how widespread was the practice? Was it common practice (half the teams or more?) I believe it was not isolated to the Patriots and think it was one of the things the new commish decided needed to be enforced. The league put out a memo before the season and the rest is history. I really could care less what the casual fan thinks here since few of us really know how business is conducted in the NFL. Several interviews I've heard, including Jimmy Johnson's, downplay the incident and cite other attempts at sign stealing.

 

[Clifton]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

We've suffered a wicked long time and now are finally getting a season worthy of the greatness of the New England region..... Haters......Don't hate.....Celebrate. As a longtime member of the Patriots Nation I have no problem with the current motives of the Pats. All the haters called down the thunder on Big Bill.....now he's paying it back in spades. Maybe next time the haters won't accuse people of cheating.

In other news, the New York Yankees recently signed veteran closer Mariano Rivera to a 3 year contract which will pay him roughly $210,000 an inning. A pretty good deal for Rivera considering he's lost much of his stuff.

 

[freelander]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

We've suffered a wicked long time and now are finally getting a season worthy of the greatness of the New England region..... Haters......Don't hate.....Celebrate. As a longtime member of the Patriots Nation I have no problem with the current motives of the Pats. All the haters called down the thunder on Big Bill.....now he's paying it back in spades. Maybe next time the haters won't accuse people of cheating.

yeah, right ...go ask a Lions fan or a Browns fan or a Saints fan or ... give me a wicked break on your suffering...

 

[nerangers]

Sirius Radio was talking about Spygate again; they figure it will be a big topic again once the season is over. It got me thinking about it again…Let me start off with that I am not condoning the Patriots with regard to Spygate (Thanks BB), but am trying to put my own perspective on it, especially when the term Cheaters gets thrown out there.I know many will put the Cheaters tag on the Pats for Spygate, but are they cheaters because they were trying to “steal signals”, or for the method they were using trying to get them? Teams try to “steal signals” all the time. It is the way the Pats were using video that is at the heart of the question. They broke the video taping rule, and punished accordingly. I doubt this has stopped any other Teams (including the Patriots) from still trying to “steal” defensive signals though. There are still scouting teams out there, with binoculars, and note pads. Let us not try to fools ourselves to think it does not happen. Does the NFL have a rule that states no stealing of defensive signals? If they do, then many teams are just as guilty as the Pats.This might not be the best example, but it is something I was thinking about while driving home. You have a posted speed limit, but many still drive faster than what is posted. Some just speed a few miles over the posted limit, but others go out of there way by using a radar detector. Both are still guilty though if caught. Many Teams would be guilty of trying to get defensive signals; the Patriots took it a technology step further (and were caught, and punished).I propose that many teams in the league try to get defensive signals (to try to figure out what coverage the other team will play, when a blitz is coming, etc). Legal forms of spying though can get this information. Does that make them all cheaters?

To answer your question, it is the method in question. One thing we don't have a handle on is how widespread was the practice? Was it common practice (half the teams or more?) I believe it was not isolated to the Patriots and think it was one of the things the new commish decided needed to be enforced. The league put out a memo before the season and the rest is history. I really could care less what the casual fan thinks here since few of us really know how business is conducted in the NFL. Several interviews I've heard, including Jimmy Johnson's, downplay the incident and cite other attempts at sign stealing.

I agree about the methond, and that is what I was saying...it is the method of video taping that was being used that they were fined on, and had the draft pick taken away from them. I am not trying to downplay what they did. I blame BB for that. I am sure we all know he is not the poster child for Character or Integrity. I just hate that the rest of my team has to pay for his lack of integrity. If you feel that an * must be placed next to something, then let it be if BB gets into the HOF...leave Brady out of it. Leave the Super Bowl wins out of it.

 

[nerangers]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

We've suffered a wicked long time and now are finally getting a season worthy of the greatness of the New England region..... Haters......Don't hate.....Celebrate. As a longtime member of the Patriots Nation I have no problem with the current motives of the Pats. All the haters called down the thunder on Big Bill.....now he's paying it back in spades. Maybe next time the haters won't accuse people of cheating.

yeah, right ...go ask a Lions fan or a Browns fan or a Saints fan or ... give me a wicked break on your suffering...

The Patritos have had there streaks of suffering like many other teams...the difference is we have also had a streak of Prosperity that others have not. It has been great to be a Patriots fan since 1996...and yes, the Pats were embarrassed by the Bears in 1985...but I am sure the rest of the country knew that whomever faced the Bears were going to get whipped...especially a wild card team!I tip my hat to the Lions, Browns, and Saint fans...you definitely have the Monopoly on Suffering!

 

[eom]

I am sure we all know he is not the poster child for Character or Integrity.

don't speak for anyone but yourself, plz.usually phrases like "I'm sure we all know...." are a warning sign.

 

[nerangers]

I am sure we all know he is not the poster child for Character or Integrity.

don't speak for anyone but yourself, plz.usually phrases like "I'm sure we all know...." are a warning sign.

That is fine....for myself, I know he is not the poster child of character or integrity... I could start a Poll if you like to find out that I am not alone...You can overlook a lot of antics with three Super Bowl wins in your pocket...

 

[eom]

I'm willing to bet you don't know anything about him.

 

[nerangers]

I'm willing to bet you don't know anything about him.

I am willing to bet you that you are right. I am only going by what has been written about him, and the media's slant could be wrong.Maybe I should have said "He is not preceived to be the poster child of character and integrity". My statement was more towards spygate, which he did take responsibility for.

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

If you think they deserve an * next to their 10-0 start, you are a whiny tool - period.

1. Yes, it was a big deal or else they wouldn't have gotten the punishment they did.

2. They have been punished, and did not appeal it.

3. They have not been caught or accused of doing any cheating since then.

If you want to discuss if it's valid to put an * next to their previous seasons and Super Bowl wins b/c there is the air of doubt that they might have been cheating for awhile to before they got caught, I won't stop you. While I don't agree with it, it's a valid argument. However if you think this season deserves it b/c they were caught and punished in the FIRST QUARTER of the FIRST GAME, then IMO you are just hating the Patriots b/c they are the Patriots. IMO, if the league thought the first game was tainted they would've given that game to the Jets and the Pats would be 9-1 right now.

Long story short, unless they get caught again calling them cheaters is ignorant. Stop the whining, grab a beer, and enjoy watching what might be the most impressive offense to hit the field in the history of the NFL.

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

4th down and short inside the opponent's red zone -- you're up 3 or 4TDs -- is kicking a FG more mercy than throwing a pass? I mean, couldn't the secondary batted the ball away from Ben Watson and take over on downs?

I would say the obvious option would have been to run the ball rather than pass. Not that I care, but if you're trying to make a mercy argument, a pass isn't likely going to win any votes.

I think the thing that gets overlooked on that play was that the pass was into the end zone. It was not a short pass that defenders missed tackles on, it was a pass into the end zone. Doesn't really matter what the outcome of that play is when the fact that the pass was into the end zone it purely shows that the patriots were not thinking about not scoring a touchdown.

 

[nibbomydaets]

I do not hate the Pats or Brady or even BB. I think the spygate thing isn't that big of a deal.

This isn't the greatest team ever. They are probably the combined greatest coached team in the FA/salary cap era.

As I said in another thread. You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

They are a great team, but IMHO, they would get severely humiliated by a great team of the past. (Prior to FA/Salary cap)

 

[jscout]

Sorry to hijack, but just for one minute. I was just at Bass Pro Shop down at Patriot Place. I saw and said hi to Rodney Harrison. Nice guy. I overheard another guy ask him, "What's up?" and he replied, "Just hanging out like everybody else." Back to the "*" BS.

 

[Jous]

You guys are running it up...so live with it...

And all this talk about karma and payback? This is karma and payback. What went around is finally coming around. After all those years of the Pats getting beat up and getting crushed in SBs against the Bears and Packers the tables have finally turned.

Wow, its like the universe revolves around Boston fans... how many teams haven't even made it to the SB?? much less win it??. Twitch at least is able to keep it somewhat realistic, but others just keep justifying the "whiny tool" label.**

My point exactly, it doesn't! But all those haters who throw out the karma and payback cards forget about the past in their argument. Why can't the haters out there just accept the fact that the game of football is changing right before their eyes. And before anyone comes back with the cheating card, wake up! The current success of the Pats is not due to any illegal video taping. That case is closed. And the tuck rule, blah, blah? That was the officiating. So what next?The bottomline is every few years, one team in the NFL rises to the top and just romps through the league. This year it's the Pats. It's the same with every sport. So if you're a lover enjoy it. If you're a hater, suck it up.

We've suffered a wicked long time and now are finally getting a season worthy of the greatness of the New England region..... Haters......Don't hate.....Celebrate. As a longtime member of the Patriots Nation I have no problem with the current motives of the Pats. All the haters called down the thunder on Big Bill.....now he's paying it back in spades. Maybe next time the haters won't accuse people of cheating.

Are you that blind? Look, I don't buy into the whole asterisk thing either, but you're foolish if you think that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy against New England. Nobody just randomly accused Belichick of cheating, he DID CHEAT. THAT IS A FACT and I'm sorry but even if you're a huge Pats homer you should be able to realize that.

 

[Dman30]

It is well documented that Philly complained to the league that NE cheated during the Superbowl, stealing signals, cameras, the works. I see an upset coming tonight, Philly may not be going anywhere this season, but the do want to plant a boot up NE's ###.

 

[Whizzinator]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Spiderman]

It is well documented that Philly complained to the league that NE cheated during the Superbowl, stealing signals, cameras, the works. I see an upset coming tonight, Philly may not be going anywhere this season, but the do want to plant a boot up NE's ###.

I take that to mean the Patriots will win tonight 56-10.

 

[AllVolUT]

I can see the other side of the coin here. Belicheck running up the score to about 70ish...

You really see Feely beating New England in Gilette? Or is this just a homerism?

 

[Cunk]

It is well documented that Philly complained to the league that NE cheated during the Superbowl, stealing signals, cameras, the works. I see an upset coming tonight, Philly may not be going anywhere this season, but the do want to plant a boot up NE's ###.

Turn that frown upside down!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

It is well documented that Philly complained to the league that NE cheated during the Superbowl, stealing signals, cameras, the works. I see an upset coming tonight, Philly may not be going anywhere this season, but the do want to plant a boot up NE's ###.

I take that to mean the Patriots will win tonight 56-10.

That sounds about right.

 

[Dman30]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

I stand corrected. You're right, there is not documentation that NE cheated during Superbowl 39....because Roger Goodell DESTROYED the evidence and to this day Goodell and Greg Aiello plead the 5th on whether NE cheated during that Superbowl. What is well documented is that Philly complained tirelessly to the league of NE's cheating ways and it fell on deaf ears. Now Roger Goodell just wants this problem to go away because it is tarnishing the league. NE are cheaters and they didn't just start during week 1 of this season, they've been doing it all along while they were winning Superbowls, and thus every Championship year will be asterisked, rightly so.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

 

[Cunk]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

I stand corrected. You're right, there is not documentation that NE cheated during Superbowl 39....because Roger Goodell DESTROYED the evidence and to this day Goodell and Greg Aiello plead the 5th on whether NE cheated during that Superbowl. What is well documented is that Philly complained tirelessly to the league of NE's cheating ways and it fell on deaf ears. Now Roger Goodell just wants this problem to go away because it is tarnishing the league. NE are cheaters and they didn't just start during week 1 of this season, they've been doing it all along while they were winning Superbowls, and thus every Championship year will be asterisked, rightly so.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

Thanks for that purely speculative article!

 

[Dman30]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

I stand corrected. You're right, there is not documentation that NE cheated during Superbowl 39....because Roger Goodell DESTROYED the evidence and to this day Goodell and Greg Aiello plead the 5th on whether NE cheated during that Superbowl. What is well documented is that Philly complained tirelessly to the league of NE's cheating ways and it fell on deaf ears. Now Roger Goodell just wants this problem to go away because it is tarnishing the league. NE are cheaters and they didn't just start during week 1 of this season, they've been doing it all along while they were winning Superbowls, and thus every Championship year will be asterisked, rightly so.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

Thanks for that purely speculative article!

Aiello said the heavy penalties assessed the Patriots on Sept. 13 were for "the totality of the conduct" in multiple instances of sign-stealing over several years, not for "one tape seized at the end of one quarter of one game," meaning the tape taken from the Patriots in their season opener at the New York Jets.Nothing speculative about that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

 

[Bill Lust]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

I stand corrected. You're right, there is not documentation that NE cheated during Superbowl 39....because Roger Goodell DESTROYED the evidence and to this day Goodell and Greg Aiello plead the 5th on whether NE cheated during that Superbowl. What is well documented is that Philly complained tirelessly to the league of NE's cheating ways and it fell on deaf ears. Now Roger Goodell just wants this problem to go away because it is tarnishing the league. NE are cheaters and they didn't just start during week 1 of this season, they've been doing it all along while they were winning Superbowls, and thus every Championship year will be asterisked, rightly so.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

Busy, Dman?

 

[heidbrink]

I can remember times when my team would score 50 points a game. I can remember the consternation of opposing teams/fans at our success. I remember such things as "no team celebration" rules being installed due to my teams "lack of class" displays at their successes. I can remember when they called our offense such things as the "greatest show on turf".

Enjoy your time in the sun New England fans. Congratulations!

Signed,

A Rams Fan

 

[PMENFAN]

Since there's zero documentation the Pats or Eagles cheated during the Super Bowl, this thread is ridiculous.

I stand corrected. You're right, there is not documentation that NE cheated during Superbowl 39....because Roger Goodell DESTROYED the evidence and to this day Goodell and Greg Aiello plead the 5th on whether NE cheated during that Superbowl. What is well documented is that Philly complained tirelessly to the league of NE's cheating ways and it fell on deaf ears. Now Roger Goodell just wants this problem to go away because it is tarnishing the league. NE are cheaters and they didn't just start during week 1 of this season, they've been doing it all along while they were winning Superbowls, and thus every Championship year will be asterisked, rightly so.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070925

I like Easterbrooks take that stealing signals w/ tape is akin to refs fixing games. A little hyperbolic. It's an amusing little story.; kinda like your whiny posts. Gives you something to hang onto.

 

[MaddHatter]

Face it, they got one over on everyone, after getting caught.

All the other teams that have cheated, that didn't get caught, got one over on us all.

This whole Patriots thread is like a bad herpes infection -- it wont go away!

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

Bill Belichick has his gameplan from the 1990 super bowl in the hall of fame, because he took a Giants team that was severely outmanned by a powerful Bills team and beat them. And that's AFTER he took that Giants team and beat the 49ers in the NFC championship in Candlestick. If he could do that, he could wipe the floor with those 49ers on a neutral site with his current team.

 

[Dman30]

You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

Bill Belichick has his gameplan from the 1990 super bowl in the hall of fame, because he took a Giants team that was severely outmanned by a powerful Bills team and beat them. And that's AFTER he took that Giants team and beat the 49ers in the NFC championship in Candlestick. If he could do that, he could wipe the floor with those 49ers on a neutral site with his current team.

Geezus, now you're giving Bill Bellicheck credit for the Giant's superbowl win? Bill Parcells must have been holding Bellicheat's clip board all game. NE fans have lost all credibility.

 

[greenline]

You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

Bill Belichick has his gameplan from the 1990 super bowl in the hall of fame, because he took a Giants team that was severely outmanned by a powerful Bills team and beat them. And that's AFTER he took that Giants team and beat the 49ers in the NFC championship in Candlestick. If he could do that, he could wipe the floor with those 49ers on a neutral site with his current team.

Geezus, now you're giving Bill Bellicheck credit for the Giant's superbowl win? Bill Parcells must have been holding Bellicheat's clip board all game. NE fans have lost all credibility.

Try reading up on it. Belichick was credited by Parcells for neutralizing the Bills offense. You spend a lot of time trying to squeeze any anti-Patriots thought out you can. It's lame.

 

[Bill Lust]

You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

Bill Belichick has his gameplan from the 1990 super bowl in the hall of fame, because he took a Giants team that was severely outmanned by a powerful Bills team and beat them. And that's AFTER he took that Giants team and beat the 49ers in the NFC championship in Candlestick. If he could do that, he could wipe the floor with those 49ers on a neutral site with his current team.

Geezus, now you're giving Bill Bellicheck credit for the Giant's superbowl win? Bill Parcells must have been holding Bellicheat's clip board all game. NE fans have lost all credibility.

Yeah - Parcells has come REALLY close to another SB win without Belichick on his staff.

 

[Dman30]

Why isn't Tom Brady not talking about blowing out teams anymore?

 

[greenline]

Why isn't Tom Brady not talking about blowing out teams anymore?

double negative?

 

[Dman30]

Why isn't Tom Brady not talking about blowing out teams anymore?

double negative?

A win by 3 points at home to a second string journeyman QB?

 

[Workhorse]

You would have a hard time convincing me this team could even compete with the 70's Steelers, 88-91 Niners, 92-95 Cowboys, or the 91 Redskins.

Bill Belichick has his gameplan from the 1990 super bowl in the hall of fame, because he took a Giants team that was severely outmanned by a powerful Bills team and beat them. And that's AFTER he took that Giants team and beat the 49ers in the NFC championship in Candlestick. If he could do that, he could wipe the floor with those 49ers on a neutral site with his current team.

Geezus, now you're giving Bill Bellicheck credit for the Giant's superbowl win? Bill Parcells must have been holding Bellicheat's clip board all game. NE fans have lost all credibility.

Point to the effin shirt time:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/su...m-coaches_x.htm

Oh those crazy USA Today NE homers. Not to mention Steve Sabol's "I Love the Pats" tattoo.

 

[greenline]

Why isn't Tom Brady not talking about blowing out teams anymore?

double negative?

A win by 3 points at home to a second string journeyman QB?

(a win) Who do you root for that makes you so angry about New England?

 

[PainTrain]

When the Patriots dynasty runs its course, will the teams that it made a point of embarrassing treat them the same as any other team, or might there be animosity that lingers after the dust settles? I suspect that everyone will just put a season like this behind them, but is there a chance that the Patriots end their dynasty as a team that nobody pities and to whom the rightful courtesies of sportsmanship are considered forfeited?

I expect teams will all take the high road, but wouldn't it be great--in any sport--if there was some team that everyone was free to just wail on out of spite without anybody caring, whom you could kick when they're down--and then blame the logo on their helmet for your lapse in sportsmanship? Like settling a hockey dispute with a fight at a game later in the season.

If some future Pats team was horrible, and every team freely humiliated them all season long... Man, actually I'll bet BB would totally dig that.

That would be superfun to see.

 

[GregR_2]

When the Patriots dynasty runs its course, will the teams that it made a point of embarrassing treat them the same as any other team, or might there be animosity that lingers after the dust settles? I suspect that everyone will just put a season like this behind them, but is there a chance that the Patriots end their dynasty as a team that nobody pities and to whom the rightful courtesies of sportsmanship are considered forfeited?

I expect teams will all take the high road, but wouldn't it be great--in any sport--if there was some team that everyone was free to just wail on out of spite without anybody caring, whom you could kick when they're down--and then blame the logo on their helmet for your lapse in sportsmanship? Like settling a hockey dispute with a fight at a game later in the season.

If some future Pats team was horrible, and every team freely humiliated them all season long... Man, actually I'll bet BB would totally dig that.

That would be superfun to see.

Don't know that I think that would be great. But the comment brings to mind a humorous quote that is amongst my favorites."I'm a firm believer in karma. It means I can be mean to anyone I want, because according to karma they must have deserved it."

 

[Green and Gold]

When the Patriots dynasty runs its course, will the teams that it made a point of embarrassing treat them the same as any other team, or might there be animosity that lingers after the dust settles? I suspect that everyone will just put a season like this behind them, but is there a chance that the Patriots end their dynasty as a team that nobody pities and to whom the rightful courtesies of sportsmanship are considered forfeited?I expect teams will all take the high road, but wouldn't it be great--in any sport--if there was some team that everyone was free to just wail on out of spite without anybody caring, whom you could kick when they're down--and then blame the logo on their helmet for your lapse in sportsmanship? Like settling a hockey dispute with a fight at a game later in the season.If some future Pats team was horrible, and every team freely humiliated them all season long... Man, actually I'll bet BB would totally dig that. That would be superfun to see.

As a Pats fan, I wouldn't get up in arms at all. I've never been upset about any team running up the score in any sport, so my opinion probably doesn't count. I dunno, to me a loss is a loss no matter what happened, and a win is a win. Whether large or small, it doesn't give you an extra W or L for it. Plus, who could blame a team for running it up against the Pats? If you believe in karma, this is the correct kind of 'payback' that fits the crime, so to speak. Not this crazy breaking legs thing that people are talking about...the punishment is not fitting the crime.Plus...do you really want your favorite team to be laying it on against the Pats when they inevitably suck again, only to see one of your players hurt on an incidental play? That's my big concern with the Pats, the possibility of injury. It should be yours too if your team is doing the same thing.